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For all of them. Each gear just a little quicker than the last, 200 rpm.
The definitive GT5 transmission tuning guide.
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For all of them. Each gear just a little quicker than the last, 200 rpm.
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CSLACR
Cool let me plug it in.
Speeds?
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I have 1st set to hit 55mph at 6500rpm
Second hits 75mph at 6500rpm
3rd ??? at 6500rpm, The same for 4th, 5th, and 6th?
Second hits 75mph at 6500rpm
3rd ??? at 6500rpm, The same for 4th, 5th, and 6th?
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Pretty hot debate. I don't think tho everyone see"s how your gear ratios actually work.
Yes shortening 1st gear will help you get off the line and spin them up, but you shorten it to much then your playing catch up with the rest of your gears.
Running from a dig is good and Allright for track racing, instead of looking at what each gear maxes out at why not worry about your speed/rpm range for the corners you are using. On what ever track your using it on. If the track your on you spend 70-80% in 3rd or maybe 4th gear then you want them as close to 1:1 ratio you can get. The 1:1 ratio is going to be Ur wonder gear as long as you stay with in the power band.
Look at your gear ratios rather than the top speed of each gear. Every track is different. If your running a short track little straight aways n hardly any long straights then you want a higher ratio in each gear for harder acceleration. Hense the term some use an aggressive style gearing.
My BMW M3 is geared perfect for the northern loop and hooks off the line as good as any awd car.
Yes shortening 1st gear will help you get off the line and spin them up, but you shorten it to much then your playing catch up with the rest of your gears.
Running from a dig is good and Allright for track racing, instead of looking at what each gear maxes out at why not worry about your speed/rpm range for the corners you are using. On what ever track your using it on. If the track your on you spend 70-80% in 3rd or maybe 4th gear then you want them as close to 1:1 ratio you can get. The 1:1 ratio is going to be Ur wonder gear as long as you stay with in the power band.
Look at your gear ratios rather than the top speed of each gear. Every track is different. If your running a short track little straight aways n hardly any long straights then you want a higher ratio in each gear for harder acceleration. Hense the term some use an aggressive style gearing.
My BMW M3 is geared perfect for the northern loop and hooks off the line as good as any awd car.
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What do you think about
1 - 2 Hits - 55mph @ 6500rpm
2 - 3 Hits - 75mph @ 6500rpm
3 - 4 Hits - 92mph @ 6500rpm
4 - 5 Hits - 114mph @ 6500rpm
6500rpm is NOT the actual shift point, just the speed you will be at at that point with the gear.
5th max @ 140mph @ 6500rpm. No need to Grab 6th anymore
Gears Catered To Nurb GP/F
1 - 2 Hits - 55mph @ 6500rpm
2 - 3 Hits - 75mph @ 6500rpm
3 - 4 Hits - 92mph @ 6500rpm
4 - 5 Hits - 114mph @ 6500rpm
6500rpm is NOT the actual shift point, just the speed you will be at at that point with the gear.
5th max @ 140mph @ 6500rpm. No need to Grab 6th anymore
Gears Catered To Nurb GP/F
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- WrecklessAbandon
^^^ - I like a quicker 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 than yours here.What do you think about
1 - 2 Hits - 55mph @ 6500rpm
2 - 3 Hits - 75mph @ 6500rpm
3 - 4 Hits - 92mph @ 6500rpm
4 - 5 Hits - 114mph @ 6500rpm
6500rpm is NOT the actual shift point, just the speed you will be at at that point with the gear.
5th max @ 140mph @ 6500rpm. No need to Grab 6th anymore
Gears Catered To Nurb GP/F
Mine are somewhere around 65 for second, 80 for third, 104 for fourth, and 125 into sixth.
2.500 is my final drive, so if you want to test it, feel free.
If you want I can put a replay up so long as you're NTSC, any video I take will be pretty ugly, it's not working with filming a tv for me at all.
I ran 1:13.213 with all settings stock, abs 2, 2.500 final drive. It seems like there are a few combos of gears that would work at this track for this car,
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CSLACR
Yeah, especially with the funky curve and drop of this engine.
I'll deff Try it out. I believe you. Any vid will have a 1.10 to 1.06 compatibility issue, but I believe you no doubt.
I'm still juggling the catering of the gears, does that set of spacing look alright? I'm trying to be as specific to your Buds analysis as possible. I saw he was maxing at 137mph so I figure 140 is good for 5th. He said 55mph for first & 75 for 2nd but not the rest. There is no 6th didn't post a thing for it. Too many gears to get to 140mph with this much power over the power range of the engine figured a shift less down low, was getting fubared by an extra shift up high. Thats not going to be the case anymore.
This is a Track specific tailoring beyond a pull or push of the FD, the Balanced set did exactly what it was supposed to, running as fast as any other. Now it's time to get Track specific.
Now this is where my Tool helps greatly. I can adapt the gear set to the Track by each gear and in mph. The in game tuner makes this much trial and error, mine is precise. I'd like you to see that first hand by catering the gears to this Track based of your Buds analysis and Laps.
I don't even know if it's Possible to cater a gear set to a specific speed in each gear to a specific RPM (without hours of trial and error testing). Is anybody able to to it? If somebody can, I wonder how they will compare, on paper, they should perform the exact same IF theoretically done correctly.
Here is what I think is real close to what he thinks will be optimum around the Nurb GP/F.
1 Hits - 55mph @ 6500rpm
2 Hits - 75mph @ 6500rpm
3 Hits - 92mph @ 6500rpm
4 Hits - 114mph @ 6500rpm
5 Hits - 140mph @ 6500rpm
6500rpm is NOT the actual shift point, just the speed we need to be at at that rpm with the gear.
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I can cater to an exact speed, but I've found my first guesses with exact speeds sometimes need adjustment.
Here, this is exactly how I go through a tuning process.
They're in order, some are settings and some are what I'm doing/observing and reasons why/how I'm changing settings.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5593363#post5593363
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5598598#post5598598
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5602784#post5602784
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5605441#post5605441
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5605919#post5605919
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5606175#post5606175
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5607092#post5607092
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5607489#post5607489
I'd love to just randomly set another car up, but frankly, I'm sick of FF's right now, so I'm taking a break.
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CSLACR
Is that process applicable to the target gears I'm after for your friend? I'm interested in comparing how his analysis plays out. He should also rerun your gear set with your adjusted FD.
As you though Im tired of FF's (Grenades choice) I re-calibrated my spreadsheet with many improvements based on what I've learned here. My mid to top end gearing is much improved. I posted a new set for my 500pp M3 in my Garage, it's Tight. Would not have gotten as good had I not learned so much here. Thanks, even though I may seem hard headed, things are not always as they seem.
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- WrecklessAbandon
Only if the driver is willing to truly hot-lap. Without true hot-lapping, you won't learn the track well enough, and as before, different drivers of different levels means different speeds through corners, and more and less throttle application, etc.
I can only ever tell you what gears will be perfect for me, and even then it'll always be subject to human error, I'm honored each time someone else says "hey csl, I tried your gears and they fit me like a glove", or anything of the sort.
I fully intend on giving your BMW's a drive, I just have to gather the ambition first.
I bought a CSL today, so I won't need that, and I should be able to send myself the regular M3.
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CSLACR
Cool, CSL is pending an updated gearbox with reworked calculations . The M3 is at 500pp and is good to go. Keeping it on a balanced FD Nurb old school is it's home. I'm using the Base M3 to learn as much as I can about the chassis for my M3 family, obviously your opinions on the Tune and how to improve it is priceless.
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I calculated the Gearbox optimized for Yan
It can be adjusted based off results, but it will hit the speed at the rpm mark in each gear.
I've also settled on a paint scheme Rimz, Kit & wing for my All-Out Edition.
For Yans Gears
Reset
Adjust FD to 3.920
Adjust the TS slider to 186mph (make sure to move it)
Input gears
2.632
1.906
1.539
1.221
1.002
0.842
Readjust FD to 3.347
These are catered to this Track based on the best of what I had of Yans request.
It can be adjusted based off results, but it will hit the speed at the rpm mark in each gear.
I've also settled on a paint scheme Rimz, Kit & wing for my All-Out Edition.
For Yans Gears
Reset
Adjust FD to 3.920
Adjust the TS slider to 186mph (make sure to move it)
Input gears
2.632
1.906
1.539
1.221
1.002
0.842
Readjust FD to 3.347
These are catered to this Track based on the best of what I had of Yans request.
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Well I tried it and ran 2'12.055, but as I said before I'd need tons of laps to really be able to tell if it's the gears or if I just had a better run that time. 2nd and 3rd feel better suited to the corners now, but I still felt quicker not using 1st at all. 2nd worked just fine in both the hairpin and the chicane. I don't know if it possible to make both 1st and 2nd work here...
What I can say is this setup feels a little easier to drive as it saves a few shifts. I can stay in third in the short section between turn 2 and 3, aswell as between 5 and 6. I also stretched 3rd from the chicane to the last turn, but I'm not sure if that loses me time. Perhaps if I was really trying to optimize for this track (for me) I'd try lengthening 3rd just a little so I don't redline there.
edit: Actually, nevermind that last comment about 3rd, I was still below 7000rpm I was just fooled by that "you really should brake now" blinking light. Perhaps shortening 4th instead to help with acceleration (just looking at the gear setup graph now)?
What I can say is this setup feels a little easier to drive as it saves a few shifts. I can stay in third in the short section between turn 2 and 3, aswell as between 5 and 6. I also stretched 3rd from the chicane to the last turn, but I'm not sure if that loses me time. Perhaps if I was really trying to optimize for this track (for me) I'd try lengthening 3rd just a little so I don't redline there.
edit: Actually, nevermind that last comment about 3rd, I was still below 7000rpm I was just fooled by that "you really should brake now" blinking light. Perhaps shortening 4th instead to help with acceleration (just looking at the gear setup graph now)?
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yanaran
Sweet results. I can adjust third holding it for a few more mph. I'll also drop 1st by a few mph. How about 4th, any adjustment there?
This is the first time I've gone so deep catering a gearbox to a drivers analysis. It seems to be working out well, but if you at any point get sick of driving this FF car. I could cater a different car to any track you like. I'd love to see if I could at all improve your times on a track you like with a car you love.
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Alright I've adjusted the gears to Yans request
1st hits 50mph at 6500rpm
2nd hits 75mph at 6500rpm
3rd hits 94mph at 6500rpm
4th hits 115mph at 6500rpm
5th hits 138mph at 6500rpm
With the old set already on you simply adjust to
2.898
1.906
1.506
1.221
1.017
0.835
3.347
If you haven't used the first catered gear box yet, simply input that first, then adjust to the updated set.
This should eliminate the use of first, stretch up 3rd a bit, and pull back 5th to Max at closer to the top speed of the Straight. Keeping the gears between balanced.
Cheers.
1st hits 50mph at 6500rpm
2nd hits 75mph at 6500rpm
3rd hits 94mph at 6500rpm
4th hits 115mph at 6500rpm
5th hits 138mph at 6500rpm
With the old set already on you simply adjust to
2.898
1.906
1.506
1.221
1.017
0.835
3.347
If you haven't used the first catered gear box yet, simply input that first, then adjust to the updated set.
This should eliminate the use of first, stretch up 3rd a bit, and pull back 5th to Max at closer to the top speed of the Straight. Keeping the gears between balanced.
Cheers.
