The Earth is Flat?

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Here is a more recent video applying Eratosthenes's method to nine countries across the oblate spheroid.

 
Liquid
By default, are flat earthers also deniers of the moon landings? They must be.
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According to Wikipedia, in 1980 the Flat Earth Society accused NASA of faking the moon landings. Not the first, but not the last to do so.

According to old polls cited, a small but increasing number of Americans believe the hoax theory, somewhere between 6% and 20%, with 5% unsure or offering no opinion. But you have to take into consideration most Americans are patriots (and conformists), and very much want to believe in the landings. I've seen polls cited which indicate somewhere near 50% of UK folks doubt the landings occurred.

As far as I am concerned, I'm certain the Earth is spherical, and would very much like to believe the US landed men on the moon. I'm basically patriotic, but not a complete conformist. Unfortunately, there do seem to be many problems, anomalies, inconsistencies and issues with Apollo photos and films. May it be possible that the original Apollo missions were mostly manipulated or staged, but the US landed on the moon secretly, at a later time?

But even if the landings didn't occur quite as originally promoted, IMO it is best to stick with the original story. Some lies are just too useful, beautiful or necessary to discard in favor of an ugly truth.
 
Dotini
I've seen polls cited which indicate somewhere near 50% of UK folks doubt the landings occurred.
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I'd be surprised if 50% of UK folks have ever even considered the possibility that the landings didn't occur.
 
TenEightyOne
Me too... but we asked a thousand people and you won't believe what they said. I mean really, you won't believe it :(
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At least more of them believe the landings happened than believe in fairies or Nessy.

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It’s worth pointing out that this survey had quite a small sample size, which suggests that this particular facet of the population – less than 0.002 percent of the total – just happens to be the type that mostly ignores evidence. Let’s hope the rest of the British public is a little more up to speed on things. Oh wait.
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I'm one of them, I don't believe in the moon landings. Seriously, I don't.


How could they have landed on the moon. It's inside the dome firmament and the moon is only 30 miles across. An argument that could well be of a flat earther.
 
The clincher about the moon landings has to be, as I already mentioned, that the Soviet Union never claimed that they were faked.

With the pressure of the space race and the propaganda employed by the USSR, you'd have thought they would be the first to say it wasn't real.
 
Liquid
The clincher about the moon landings has to be, as I already mentioned, that the Soviet Union never claimed that they were faked.

With the pressure of the space race and the propaganda employed by the USSR, you'd have thought they would be the first to say it wasn't real.
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The clincher about the moon landings is that it would be much harder to have faked than have actually gone.

I've always wondered about moon landing deniers (who aren't flat earthers)... do they think we've never been in space? Do they think we have no satellites? Is satellite TV faked? (also easier to actually do than to fake) Is GPS faked? (also easier to actually do than to fake) What about other NASA missions. Did Cassini go to Saturn? Does SOHO take pictures of the sun from space?

Do they actually believe we put the corner cube reflectors on the moon that you can currently bounce lasers off of? I've personally witnessed this, with like... my eyes. A greenish beam going out into space, bouncing off of corner cube reflector satellites or the moon and being registered back on Earth. Do moon landing deniers believe that ISS transits (which you can witness with your own eyes) are fake? Were shuttle launches just a show?

Or do they believe all of that stuff, the astronauts floating in ISS, direct TV, GPS, ISS transits, lunar rovers and corner cube reflectors, but that we didn't put astronauts on the moon because that was a step too far and was easier to actually fake? Because... why on Earth would you carve that one tiny portion of the entire space program out? And how much harder is it to do that one tiny portion when you're doing all that other stuff? Compared to the vast conspiracy and perfect prediction of the unexplored and hiding of advanced technology that would have been required to fake it, taking the incremental step of putting a living payload on the moon instead of a robotic one is almost nothing.
 
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I had this exact subject thrown in during a conversation today.

I would've asked the person in question why they thought the landings were faked, only to realise that the ensuing feelings felt through them explaining why they thought so would've been... shall we say, difficult to endure.

So I said nothing...

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My dad once told me that his mother (my grandmother) was a moon landings denier. She also didn't understand how mighty battleships and ocean liners could float on the sea while a tiny needle dropped to the bottom of a glass of water so I'd have to surmise that she didn't receive a rigorous education in basic science.
 
There has been so much off topic in this thread, maybe it's about time to do something about it?
 
UKMikey
Or round file it by merging it with the existing conspiracies thread.
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No! When you round file something, it's disposing of something you don't care about. Here we have a thread that has 380 posts in a matter of days. Isn't it strong evidence that we care enough about this topic - or the poor lost souls who espouse it - that we devote our precious time and energy to discussing and assiduous, scholarly debunking? Isn't this the way we affirm our identity and values? If so, we should hold this thread in high esteem and importance. And take good care of it.

Or are you suggesting it's run its course, - run out of steam - and we should move on to something with more inherent value, or at least entertainment value?
 
Dotini
No! When you round file something, it's disposing of something you don't care about. Here we have a thread that has 380 posts in a matter of days. Isn't it strong evidence that we care enough about this topic - or the poor lost souls who espouse it - that we devote our precious time and energy to discussing and assiduous, scholarly debunking? Isn't this the way we affirm our identity and values? If so, we should hold this thread in high esteem and importance. And take good care of it.

Or are you suggesting it's run its course, - run out of steam - and we should move on to something with more inherent value, or at least entertainment value?
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It'd be more orderly to refile it with similar conspiracies. The round file is simply a pun. Posters would be free to shoot the breeze and wander off topic at will were this conversation part of the other thread.
 
Dotini
For some reason we need to debunk, flat-Earthers are obsessed with star forts. What is it that connects star forts to flat-Earthism??
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Having watched that video I have no idea... I don't think he mentioned it? I read the comments on YouTube, that's five minutes of my life I'll never get back :D
 
Maybe all of these flat earthers experienced some sort of Mandela effect. Maybe the earth is flat in their dimension. :P


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*Mind the smileys. I'm NOT a Mandela effect believer.
 
kikie
Maybe all of these flat earthers experienced some sort of Mandela effect. Maybe the earth is flat in their dimension. :P


:D


*Mind the smileys. I'm NOT a Mandela effect believer.
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I think that'd only work if they remembered living on a flat earth when they were kids. Mandela effects the memory.
 
I'd be interested in knowing the percentage of flat-earthers that accept man's involvement in climate change.
 
So, going back to on-topic.... I'm assuming the guy never launched his rocket thingie? I can't find anything other than postponed because public land.
 

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