The Earth is Flat?

[TexRex]

Why is the earth being a globe more unbelievable than being flat to these people?

Misfiring electrical pulses in the part of the brain responsible for reasoning, or perhaps the lack of a more useful hobby such as whittling or determining if any other famous albums sync up with famous movies.

 

[unit-one]

Welp, one more year has passed and still no working model of the pancake Earth.
Happy New Year!

 

[Dotini]

Apparently flat Earth is a passing fad of 2017. Hollow Earth wants to replace it for the coming year.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/hollow_earth_theory_gets_hot

With the infamous Flat Earth Theory becoming something of a cause celebre over the last few years, its 'cousin' conspiracy has seemingly snatched a share of the spotlight.

The legendary Hollow Earth Theory finds itself in the headlines this week following a profile on the odd hypothesis by a British newspaper.

 

[TenEightyOne]

...the odd hypothesis by a British newspaper.

It's hard to describe The Sun to somebody who's not British. Imagine boiling your brain, developing an addiction to topless 18-year olds and then trying to write a newspaper. It's worse than that

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's hard to describe The Sun to somebody who's not British. Imagine boiling your brain, developing an addiction to topless 18-year olds and then trying to write a newspaper. It's worse than that

No it's simple, if it's an American say..."oh you read the National Enquirer too!"

 

[Dennisch]

It's worse than that

It's called: Reading used toilet paper.

 

[Rallywagon]

Flat earth... easily defeated without needing some crazy self made rocket ship. If the earth is flat, it stands to reason then that if you stood on a cliff at the ocean, say in Massachusetts, then you should be able to use a powerful telescope and see the western Europe seaboard.

 

[TexRex]

What is the FE take on seismic activity? Volcanoes?

 

[Rallywagon]

What is the FE take on seismic activity? Volcanoes?

Either acts of gods, or tectonics might not be out of the scoop of FEers. I wonder, however, what the hollow earth theorists think of them.

 

[Imari]

What is the FE take on seismic activity? Volcanoes?

God farting in the bath.

 

[TexRex]

Clearly I'm shockingly unaware of the role God plays in this nonsense, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Rallywagon]

Clearly I'm shockingly unaware of the role God plays in this nonsense, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

I have to imagine anyone that would believe in the garbage "science" of FE over the real science would also be fairly incline to believe in god. And probably lizard vampires, the illuminati and any number of other BS nonsense. Flat Earth theories owe their beginings to reliegion besides.

 

[unit-one]

Clearly I'm shockingly unaware of the role God plays in this nonsense, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

FE is usually artificially created by some higher being... so they say.
Like a terrarium of some sort. It does have a dome.

 

[KungFury]

Flat Earth theories owe their beginings to reliegion besides.

Are you sure? I've looked into that a little bit and find nothing overwhelmingly conclusive.

 

[Carlos]

Are you sure? I've looked into that a little bit and find nothing overwhelmingly conclusive.

You can assume flat earth believers are religious. Not that long ago you were jailed/executed if you stated the earth was not flat. FE is a belief, a theory, cult.

 

[KungFury]

You can assume flat earth believers are religious. Not that long ago you were jailed/executed if you stated the earth was not flat. FE is a belief, a theory, cult.

Jailed/executed? Please show me proof of that. In the meantime here are a few links debunking the myth, yes yes they are religious sites but the information is backed up by history.

https://creation.com/the-flat-earth-myth-and-creationism

https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/galileo/debunking-the-galileo-myth.html

The Flat Earth Fallacy: According to the atheist narrative, the medieval Christians all believed that the earth was flat until the brilliant scientists showed up in the modern era to prove that it was round. In reality, educated people in the Middle Ages knew that the earth was round. In fact, the ancient Greeks in the fifth century B.C. knew the earth was a globe. They didn't need modern science to point out the obvious. They could see that when a ship went over the horizon, the hull and the mast disappear at different times. Even more telling, during an eclipse they could see the earth's shadow on the moon. Look fellas, it's round!

And this is accepted fact is it not?

Galileo himself was funded by the church. The leading astronomers of the time were Jesuit priests

He was placed under house arrest for supporting Copernican and calling the pope an imbecile, Nothing to do with flat earth as near as I can tell.

 

[Imari]

You can assume flat earth believers are religious. Not that long ago you were jailed/executed if you stated the earth was not flat. FE is a belief, a theory, cult.

You sure you're not thinking of heliocentrism? It was well accepted that the earth was round, but the idea that the earth went around the sun (ie. that the earth was not the centre of the universe) was considered heretical.

 

[Rallywagon]

Are you sure? I've looked into that a little bit and find nothing overwhelmingly conclusive.

Absolutely I am sure of that, i doubt anyone of a secular mindset would ever hold a notion of a flat earth on the back of a giant turtle. Further, the flat earth idea predates the Jesuits. Hell, Pythagoras, the original mind behind a round earth, didn't come to the conclusion until around 600 B.C. it was all flat earth up until that point, and is generally the case I'd say, things of any sort of mystery back then were generally answered by religion.

 

[TenEightyOne]

You can assume flat earth believers are religious. Not that long ago you were jailed/executed if you stated the earth was not flat.

Given that common belief in a spherical earth goes back over 1500 years I'm not sure that's true. As @Imari points out you may be thinking of heliocentrism, definitely a belief that carried a capital heresy punishment up until a few hundred years ago.

 

[KungFury]

Absolutely I am sure of that, i doubt anyone of a secular mindset would ever hold a notion of a flat earth on the back of a giant turtle. Further, the flat earth idea predates the Jesuits. Hell, Pythagoras, the original mind behind a round earth, didn't come to the conclusion until around 600 B.C. it was all flat earth up until that point, and is generally the case I'd say, things of any sort of mystery back then were generally answered by religion.

Do you have anything to back that up?

Resorting to fallacies to strengthen your position has the opposite effect. If I was naive, from the few posts above, I'd come to the conclusion all people who believe in god are idiots. The truth is idiots are idiots, there's no reason to get all mad about someone's spiritual beliefs, cultural upbringings, or the like.

 

[Imari]

Absolutely I am sure of that, i doubt anyone of a secular mindset would ever hold a notion of a flat earth on the back of a giant turtle. Further, the flat earth idea predates the Jesuits. Hell, Pythagoras, the original mind behind a round earth, didn't come to the conclusion until around 600 B.C. it was all flat earth up until that point, and is generally the case I'd say, things of any sort of mystery back then were generally answered by religion.

I'm sure because it seems like mysterious things used to be answered with religion isn't exactly a strong argument. Certainly not something I'd attach the phrase "absolutely I'm sure of that" to.

If anything, I'd say that the idea of a flat earth originated because it looks flat. No religion required. Simple observation says the earth is flat. It's not until you observe more carefully and notice a few oddities that one might come to the conclusion that the earth is in fact not flat, and that it being round makes more sense.

 

[Rallywagon]

Who's mad, who posited a fallacy and who said all religious people are dumb? Dont assume nonsense, read what is written and don't project.
First, just because some religious scholars thought the world was a globe, doesn't mean all did. St. Augustine among them. "But as to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours that is on no ground credible."
Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople also believed in an "earth floating in water, beneath the firmament".
And here, how about this, straight from a "horses" mouth. Now, I'll grant that this is modern interpretation, but sure it shows just how easily flat earth nonsense can be interpreted from the bible.

 

[KungFury]

Who's mad, who posited a fallacy and who said all religious people are dumb? Dont assume nonsense, read what is written and don't project.
First, just because some religious scholars thought the world was a globe, doesn't mean all did. St. Augustine among them. "But as to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours that is on no ground credible."
Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople also believed in an "earth floating in water, beneath the firmament".
And here, how about this, straight from a "horses" mouth. Now, I'll grant that this is modern interpretation, but sure it shows just how easily flat earth nonsense can be interpreted from the bible.

I'm just going to go ahead and believe that you think religion and the belief in god is a plague on the human race and leave it at that, you've not compelled my otherwise. Right or wrong of me.

 

[Rallywagon]

I'm just going to go ahead and believe that you think religion and the belief in god is a plague on the human race and leave it at that, you've not compelled my otherwise. Right or wrong of me.

Im not a fan, but my opinion falls mostly in line with the old religion and penis analogy. Its great that you got one and your proud of it, just dont whip it out on the table like anyone else cares or try to force it on anyone else. But, we already have a thread for religious opinions. Staying tonthe topic, I am as sure as it gets that flat earth theory owes its existence religion. Whether it be due to scripture interpretations, persistence from older religions or to spite evolutionist as your link suggests, the end, or i suppose the start, is all the same. This wasn't the brain child of some dumb:censored: secularist and you certainly find a whole lot more reilgiously minded people believing in FE theory than you do atheist.
Now, you can interpret that as me calling all religous people dumb. Im not, im not even calling those that believe FE dumb. The theory is stupid AF. But lots of smart people believe(d) stupid things.

 

[KungFury]

I don't have much else to say about it tbh, I'm just glad you didn't directly pull out the 'ol "I don't dislike the religious, some of my best friends believe in god" bit.

👍

 

[Imari]

Staying tonthe topic, I am as sure as it gets that flat earth theory owes its existence religion.

And you have no proof of this.

This wasn't the brain child of some dumb:censored: secularist and you certainly find a whole lot more reilgiously minded people believing in FE theory than you do atheist.

Or this. So either you're blindly irrational, or you've got a barrow to push.

And you're still ignoring the fact that there's no need to even bring religion into it when at first glance any rational human would assume that the world is flat. Occam's Razor, mate. No need to bring out your hatred for religion to explain what can adequately be explained by human nature.

You want to blame religion? Find a reason that the null proposition is invalid.

 

[05XR8]

What is the FE take on seismic activity? Volcanoes?

Just means Mars has next serve.

 

[TheNuvolari]

How long before the earth is square?

It's square since 2009:

 

[Rallywagon]

And you have no proof of this.



Or this. So either you're blindly irrational, or you've got a barrow to push.

And you're still ignoring the fact that there's no need to even bring religion into it when at first glance any rational human would assume that the world is flat. Occam's Razor, mate. No need to bring out your hatred for religion to explain what can adequately be explained by human nature.

You want to blame religion? Find a reason that the null proposition is invalid.

I think it first primarily important to nonte that "I am sure" is not the same as saying "religion unequivocally started FE theory." Just because Ibam sure, doesnt mean you need to be.
Now, while FE theory as it is today may not be the same form as before, it has its roots as far back as ancient Egypt at least, and certainly came from their form of religion, and continued to be prevalent in many ancient religions and ideologies up until about 500 B.C.E. not much for written history before that to draw any conclusions. So yea, again, i am certain that originally, the idea has religous grounds. Unless you can come up with even early evidence?

Now, its been shown that the current run of FE theory was actually spawned by an antitheist and a fawk historian back in the middle 1800s. So, to that extent, sure, it wasnt a religous thing, and yet, somehow a good number of its followers now are? I imagine its due to the clear disconnect with parts of reality. If you are willing to believe that there is no universe, no gravity, that the world is flat, the moon and the sun the same distance from earth, and stars are holes in the firmament, the believing in an all mighty being that created it all isnt that far fetched. Now, that isnt to say all religous people believe in FE, nor that all FE theorists are likewise religous. The current run of FE theory seems to draw a good number of conspiracy theorists. It just also seems to draw in a good number of religious quacks as well.

It's square since 2009:

Not to be pedantic, but that is a cube. Which is a debate I've seen from some religous folk who buy into FE, that certain verses in the bible state the world is a circle, not a sphere.
Interestingly, ancient Chinese thought the world both flat and square.

 

[ryzno]

What if people believe the earth is flat cause they've only seen maps and never seen a globe?
I know I know, the earth isn't a circle on a map, it's an adapted 2-D image(an oval, which should kill the argument) and most people know what a globe is. Still though...