The Earth is Flat?

[DQuaN]

@Pillo-san

If I were to make the claim that Pancakes make you gay. Then create a load of pseudo-sceintific claptrap and tried to bend facts to support my argument...

Would you accuse people that told me to "shut the hell up" of being closed minded?

Should I be at least listened to?

The answer is NO!

 

[Dotini]

There is nothing, except perhaps a pair of titties, that will make me watch or read anything that defends anything flat earth related. Those who believe it are the pest of humanity. They shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. If it were up to me, I'd round them all up, stick them all in a big ass freight ship and pull a plug as soon as it hits deep water.

Why would you want to murder people whose views don't stand up to a moment's scrutiny? Are you serious?

 

[Dennisch]

Why would you want to murder people whose views don't stand up to a moment's scrutiny? Are you serious?

Because they infect people with their dumb ideas. It isn't beneficial for humanity to have people like that around. It is however beneficial for sharks and other fish to have them floating around.

 

[Scaff]

And why so? How come you know that our world is in fact how our institutions have said it is? What if they have a point, in some way and you get rid of them. And you got rid of them. Have you now learned from science that many ideas are only taken seriously when the old breed of scientists are gone? So you mean that all those scientists or people that had ideas that went against the institutions should have been killed of like you propese with the flat earthers?

Seriously its possiable to put this to the test at zero expense in a number of different ways....

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/7-diy-experiments-b-o-b-the-earth-is-round


....did you not do any of these at school?

Even if you didn't, why are you so seemingly reluctant to do so now?

 

[Pillo-san]

If you have no intention of even to read up upon the subject at hand and just post to stuff that our institutions have said represent our reality then to me you loose out by default in this matter. If you think they should be disposed of and this is a stupid idea/topic without even knowing what it is about and how they explain from their point of view then I cant help you at all. As u see I am not only looking into FE but other things as well but to be honest I like FE just because of what it have dont to me, ie be more open minded and question everything

Seriously its possiable to put this to the test at zero expense in a number of different ways....

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/7-diy-experiments-b-o-b-the-earth-is-round


....did you not do any of these at school?

Even if you didn't, why are you so seemingly reluctant to do so now?

I was a super duper mega science dork until 2015-2016. Maybe it is because I got tired of it or something as I age(mabye dementia? ) but FE topic has captivated my interest, but even so it is old news to me but I find it Odd that people are so afraid of this topic.

 

[Dotini]

Because they infect people with their dumb ideas. It isn't beneficial for humanity to have people like that around. It is however beneficial for sharks and other fish to have them floating around.

Okay, you are serious. Wow.

To advocate the summary execution of people who merely have silly ideas seems very extreme to me. I don't see that they are quite that dangerous.

 

[Northstar]

If you have no intention of even to read up upon the subject at hand and just post to stuff that our institutions have said represent our reality then to me you loose out by default in this matter.

You say you're open-minded, yet completely ignore everyone saying that you yourself can test for the earths curvature. No horrible institutions required.

 

[Scaff]

If you have no intention of even to read up upon the subject at hand and just post to stuff that our institutions have said represent our reality then to me you loose out by default in this matter.

I have read up on it, and it doesn't stand up to analysis.

Now please excplain why you are so unwilling to try even the basic experiments to show that the claims FE's make are not correct?

As u see I am not only looking into FE but other things as well but to be honest I like FE just because of what it have dont to me, ie be more open minded and question everything

FE is not open minded, it quite literally rejects and ignores any evidence that shows its incorrect.

 

[rono_thomas]

There is nothing, except perhaps a pair of titties, that will make me watch or read anything that defends anything flat earth related. Those who believe it are the pest of humanity. They shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. If it were up to me, I'd round them all up, stick them all in a big ass freight ship and pull a plug as soon as it hits deep water.

Because they infect people with their dumb ideas. It isn't beneficial for humanity to have people like that around. It is however beneficial for sharks and other fish to have them floating around.

Your seemingly disregard for human life doesnt elevate you to a higher grade of inteligence IMO.

 

[Pillo-san]

You say you're open-minded, yet completely ignore everyone saying that you yourself can test for the earths curvature. No horrible institutions required.

Because it is nothing new, and FE easily can debunk it if you watch their experiments and arguments. Like I said, I have not done any experiments myself but I am open for new ideas like FE is, for us in 2017 at least. Look how people react to this FE stuff. Demons, elfs and spirits are more accepted than something like FE

 

[Scaff]

Because it is nothing new, and FE easily can debunk it if you watch their experiments and arguments.

I have and no they don't.

Dismissing something out of hand and carrying out an experiments based on utterly flawed logic and in an uncontrolled manner is not de-bunking anything.

Like I said, I have not done any experiments myself but I am open for new ideas like FE is, for us at least.

Then you are not as open-minded as you claim.

 

[Famine]

If you have no intention of even to read up upon the subject at hand and just post to stuff that our institutions have said represent our reality then to me you loose out by default in this matter.

If you won't spend ten minutes on a simple test that anyone can do, which shows that Flat Earth starts from a flawed hypothesis, we all lose out. You by believing in hokum, everyone else by having their time wasted.

I like FE just because of what it have dont to me, ie be more open minded and question everything

There's nothing "open-minded" about pseudoscience. It always starts with a predetermined conclusion, it always cherry-picks data to support it, always misrepresents data it doesn't understand and always dismisses any data to the contrary as part of a conspiracy on behalf of science/atheists/the government.

In this case the predetermined conclusion is that the Earth is flat, the cherry-picked data is "the Earth looks flat from here", the mis-represented data is "the astronaut's shadow shouldn't be reflected in his own visor, so it's fake", and it dismisses literally the entire concept of telecommunications, travel and the passage of day and night. As a conspiracy by "institutions" like "science" (what?) and NASA.

And atheists. It's always the atheists.

 

[homeforsummer]

I like FE just because of what it have dont to me, ie be more open minded and question everything

For someone who has claimed repeatedly that you're not necessarily a supporter of FE and that you like to question everything, you're doing a very good job of holding it to no scrutiny whatsoever.

If you're genuinely open minded to questioning everything, then question FE theory. You'll discover very quickly indeed that their "experiments" are either carried out incorrectly or deliberately misinterpreted, and that their arguments all have counterarguments that completely debunk them.

 

[Dotini]

Even ISIS terrorists are given a trial before execution.

But here we have a private forum whose members are advocating murder of people with silly ideas directly under the gaze of moderators . This is amazing to me. I don't think I fit in around here anymore.

 

[Pillo-san]

I have and no they don't.

Dismissing something out of hand and carrying out an experiments based on utterly flawed logic and in an uncontrolled manner is not de-bunking anything.


Then you are not as open-minded as you claim.

I am open minded for new ideas, that the earth is flat is a bit strange for us yet I am open for that idea. how much more open can you be than that

They ignore a lot of stuff that have to do with space(theoretical physics) and all that because of that they think there is a lot of oddities/fakery going on, but nothing else do they ignore, they just simplify the worldview a lot

 

[Northstar]

I am open minded for new ideas, that the earth is flat is a bit strange for us yet I am open for that idea. how much more open can you be than that

They ignore a lot of stuff that have to do with space(theoretical physics) and all that because of that they think there is a lot of oddities/fakery going on, but nothing else do they ignore, they just simplify the worldview a lot

So you admit they ignore things that prove them wrong.

And you see nothing wrong with that?

 

[Pillo-san]

For someone who has claimed repeatedly that you're not necessarily a supporter of FE and that you like to question everything, you're doing a very good job of holding it to no scrutiny whatsoever.

If you're genuinely open minded to questioning everything, then question FE theory. You'll discover very quickly indeed that their "experiments" are either carried out incorrectly or deliberately misinterpreted, and that their arguments all have counterarguments that completely debunk them.

Well you see how it is, if am as asked then I gladly will give answers, if I can. I am simply like this, I would call me a flat earther if I actually gave a damn if the world was flat or round but I do not. I am more considered about how people react and try to say that what they have been thought is the correct picture/truth and all that do not share their picture are fools and/or should be disposed of. To me that sounds like blind faith and this is dangerous. This is what I am more concerned about.

 

[Dennisch]

Even ISIS terrorists are given a trial before execution.

But here we have a private forum whose members are advocating murder of people with silly ideas directly under the gaze of moderators . This is amazing to me. I don't think I fit in around here anymore.

Ah but that's where you are wrong. I'm not in charge of anything but my own body. Therefore nobody will be shoved onto a ship with a plug in the bottom.

If silly ideas are allowed to be spouted, my silly idea should be allowed too. Unless it's reported and the staff finds it to be non AUP compatible. Then I'll retract it and keep it to myself.

 

[Pillo-san]

So you admit they ignore things that prove them wrong.

And you see nothing wrong with that?

They need to ignore some things that the institutions teach. Such as how large and how far away the sun and stars are because if the sun is smaller and closer to earth the observed "effects" can work on a flat earth too.

 

[Northstar]

They need to ignore some things. Such as how large and how far away the sun and stars are because if the sun is smaller and closer to earth the observed "effects" can work on a flat earth too.

You don’t get to ignore things in science.

 

[Scaff]

I am open minded for new ideas, that the earth is flat is a bit strange for us yet I am open for that idea. how much more open can you be than that

Sorry but what you are doing is more akin to blind faith.

They are (in your approach) honest and above scrutiny, while science is just out to decieve and should be distrusted as standard.

You are holding the two to utterly different standards, and approach that is anything but open-minded.

They ignore a lot of stuff that have to do with space(theoretical physics) and all that because of that they think there is a lot of oddities/fakery going on, but nothing else do they ignore, they just simplify the worldview a lot

Ignoring anything because it doesn't fit your per-determined view of reality is fundamentally flawed if you want to be open and objective.

Flat Earthers are quite happy to also blatantly lie and then ignore any evidence that shows they are lying.

As an example (and we have discussed this one before), the claim that southern hemisphere flighst either don't happen or they turn off GPS data for them, despite the fact that they do exist and you can track them in real time.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-theories-thread.290602/page-25#post-11573250

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-theories-thread.290602/page-25#post-11581091

Track those impossible flights:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN800

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA63

 

[eran0004]

I am open minded for new ideas, that the earth is flat is a bit strange for us yet I am open for that idea. how much more open can you be than that

They ignore a lot of stuff that have to do with space(theoretical physics) and all that because of that they think there is a lot of oddities/fakery going on, but nothing else do they ignore, they just simplify the worldview a lot

You're not open for new ideas unless you're willing test them and willing to abandon them when it turns out that they are wrong.

 

[Pillo-san]

You don’t get to ignore things in science.

And how do you know what you have been tough is true? that is the point.

Sorry but what you are doing is more akin to blind faith.

They are (in your approach) honest and above scrutiny, while science is just out to decieve and should be distrusted as standard.

You are holding the two to utterly different standards, and approach that is anything but open-minded.





Ignoring anything because it doesn't fit your per-determined view of reality is fundamentally flawed if you want to be open and objective.

Flat Earthers are quite happy to also blatantly lie and then ignore any evidence that shows they are lying.

As an example (and we have discussed this one before), the claim that southern hemisphere flighst either don't happen or they turn off GPS data for them, despite the fact that they do exist and you can track them in real time.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-theories-thread.290602/page-25#post-11573250

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-theories-thread.290602/page-25#post-11581091

Yes, you are right, but I go by all the videos that they show, and I hope that they are not screwed by themselves. But it is not that I am swallowing this thing whole, all the FE has done is that I do not believe what I hear until I myself can confirm this.

 

[Famine]

Even ISIS terrorists are given a trial before execution.

Tell that to Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

They need to ignore some things. Such as how large and how far away the sun and stars are because if the sun is smaller and closer to earth the observed "effects" can work on a flat earth too.

But the Sun isn't smaller or closer to Earth. It's as big and as far away as it is.

A theory is an explanation of all known facts. If you need to ignore - or change - facts to make a theory work, the theory is wrong. If any one of the facts that any theory is based on is wrong, or is shown to be wrong, the theory needs to be reformulated.

If the Flat Earth 'theory' works when the position and size of the Sun are ignored or changed, it's wrong and needs to be reformulated.

And how do you know what you have been tough is true? that is the point.

Come up with a hypothesis, assume the hypothesis is wrong, try to prove that it is wrong. Continue until you succeed or have run out of ways to fail. That is how all knowledge is acquired.

Or:

 

[Northstar]

And how do you know what you have been tough is true? that is the point.

Because I have personally put it to the test by doing some of the experiments that have been posted that your open-minded self isn’t willing to acknowledge (I’ve also been in a plane).

I really don’t get where this is even coming from as I can recall having intellectual debates with you in the past.

 

[Dotini]

Ah but that's where you are wrong. I'm not in charge of anything but my own body. Therefore nobody will be shoved onto a ship with a plug in the bottom.

If silly ideas are allowed to be spouted, my silly idea should be allowed too. Unless it's reported and the staff finds it to be non AUP compatible. Then I'll retract it and keep it to myself.

I wonder what would happen to me if I made a post using exactly the same language as you did - except substituted another minority in place of flat-Earthers? I'm not brave or stupid enough to even try.

 

[Pillo-san]

Tell that to Abdulrahman al-Awlaki

But the Sun isn't smaller or closer to Earth. It's as big and as far away as it is.

A theory is an explanation of all known facts. If you need to ignore - or change - facts to make a theory work, the theory is wrong. If any one of the facts that any theory is based on is wrong, or is shown to be wrong, the theory needs to be reformulated.

If the Flat Earth 'theory' works when the position and size of the Sun are ignored or changed, it's wrong and needs to be reformulated.

Come up with a hypothesis, assume the hypothesis is wrong, try to prove that it is wrong. Continue until you succeed or have run out of ways to fail. That is how all knowledge is acquired.

Or:

And how do you know this for a fact? have you been in space? have you seen the sun "up close"

That is what I mean, we should not think that everything is a given fact if we ourselves have not confirmed something. playing with calculations without backing it up with real world experiments is not proof but more akin to story telling but with numbers instead of words.

You can do what ever you want with "mathematics".

 

[Famine]

And how do you know this for a fact? have you been in space? have you seen the sun "up close"

That is what I mean, we should not think that everything is a given fact if we ourselves have not confirmed something.

Do you believe it's a necessity for someone to go into space and be in physical contact with a colossal ball of plasma undergoing nuclear fusion in order to measure where it is and how big it is?

Seriously?


If Flat-Earthers believe that the Sun is small and close, how have they measured it? Have they also gone into space and been in physical contact with it? Or do they get a pass on any requirement to demonstrate their claims?

 

[homeforsummer]

I would call me a flat earther if I actually gave a damn if the world was flat or round but I do not.

Then why hold the position of "who really knows?" instead of the scientifically-verified position that humankind has been aware of for thousands of years?

Not giving a damn either way isn't a valid excuse for assuming internet nutjobs are just as likely to be correct as the world's scientific community. Nor is being "open minded".

 

[Pillo-san]

Do you believe it's a necessity for someone to go into space and be in physical contact with a colossal ball of plasma undergoing nuclear fusion in order to measure where it is and how big it is?

Seriously?

Again how do you know you will for a fact it is like that? Probably it is but just amusing it is because of someone have said it to you does not make it necessarily to be true.

Then why hold the position of "who really knows?" instead of the scientifically-verified position that humankind has been aware of for thousands of years?

Not giving a damn either way isn't a valid excuse for assuming internet nutjobs are just as likely to be correct as the world's scientific community. Nor is being "open minded".

I dont really understand with what you mean by "who really knows".

If you mean about the topic about fe then sure, but like I and many others here say it does not necessarily mean that FE is true either.