The Fear thread

[Danoff]

Bollocks. Any nazi stand points will be invalid. Calling somebody’s point of view “nazi” is just a tactic to suppress it.

We literally have someone who has called himself a nazi running for North Carolina governor. His name is Mark Robinson. It's not hyperbole.

“Spewing literal Nazi propaganda”… I’ve not heard any candidate call for the eradication of Jews or a eugenics program.

The "vermin" line from trump is straight from hitler.

If the candidate running for North Carolina is down with eliminating Jews, blacks, and anyone’s else who isn’t Arian in nature, feel free tell the world and let the powers that be know there’s an actual Nazi in your midst. I’m sure we’d all be pleased to see him disappear.

He called himself that. He said he's a "black nazi" and talked about how we need slavery, he'd like to buy slaves, and he likes Hitler. Not my words, his.

 

[W3H5]

We literally have someone who has called himself a nazi running for North Carolina governor. His name is Mark Robinson. It's not hyperbole.



The "vermin" line from trump is straight from hitler.



He called himself that. He said he's a "black nazi" and talked about how we need slavery, he'd like to buy slaves, and he likes Hitler. Not my words, his.

And there’s proof of this literal Nazi?

I mean, something that can be shared with the public?

 

[Danoff]

And there’s proof of this literal Nazi?

I guess this didn't blow up outside the US?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/politics/kfile-mark-robinson-black-nazi-pro-slavery-porn-forum/index.html

I know the news is moving fast right now, but this one was a big story for a few days.

 

[W3H5]

I guess this didn't blow up outside the US?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/politics/kfile-mark-robinson-black-nazi-pro-slavery-porn-forum/index.html

I know the news is moving fast right now, but this one was a big story for a few days.

No, that wasn’t a thing in the wider world. So where were the shooters, looters and protestors?

If he’s really a Nazi, pervert and the rest that is claimed, just send one of the boys onto the roof when he makes a speech. Not like it hasn’t been tried before.

I regret to say I take no faith in what CNN report, whatever the case may be, given their track record for being so unbiased.

Did you know Hilary Clinton is a pedaphile? It’s true because I said it on the internet.

Using main stream media evidence against a population that don’t trust the main stream media is like offering babies broccoli for compliance.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Also, I'm not sure what this meant??

I think it was fairly self evident.

If drink is messing you up, lay off the drink.
If drugs are messing you up, lay off the drugs.
If junk food is messing you up, lay off the junk food.
If the unending torrent of bad news the algorithm feeding you is messing you up, lay off the algorithm.

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@W3H5 would I be correct if I said you're on the beer at the moment?

 

[W3H5]

I think it was fairly self evident.

If drink is messing you up, lay off the drink.
If drugs are messing you up, lay off the drugs.
If junk food is messing you up, lay off the junk food.
If the unending torrent of bad news the algorithm feeding you is messing you up, lay off the algorithm.

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@W3H5 would I be correct if I said you're on the beer at the moment?

When am I not?

Quid pro quo?

 

[Danoff]

No, that wasn’t a thing in the wider world. So where were the shooters, looters and protestors?

If he’s really a Nazi, pervert and the rest that is claimed, just send one of the boys onto the roof when he makes a speech. Not like it hasn’t been tried before.

I don't know if you're aware of this but two people have tried to kill Trump in the last few months. Robinson is expected to lose, so I'm not sure how many people are going to risk their lives to kill him. Trump has expressed much admiration for Robinson (admittedly, before the nazi comments surfaced).

I regret to say I take no faith in what CNN report, whatever the case may be, given their track record for being so unbiased.

CNN does have some bias, this isn't bias.

Did you know Hilary Clinton is a pedaphile? It’s true because I said it on the internet.

That's garbage. A second ago you tried to take me to task over using the word Nazi. Now you're conflating CNN with an internet wackjob saying Hillary is a pedo?

Using main stream media evidence against a population that don’t trust the main stream media is like offering babies broccoli for compliance.

The people you're talking about only believe one source. So unless you're that specific source you're out of luck.

For what it's worth, here's a little video of Mark Robinson not being a fascist at all.



This guy is right to call himself a nazi.

 

[W3H5]

I don't know if you're aware of this but two people have tried to kill Trump in the last few months. Robinson is expected to lose, so I'm not sure how many people are going to risk their lives to kill him. Trump has expressed much admiration for Robinson (admittedly, before the nazi comments surfaced).




CNN does have some bias, this isn't bias.



That's garbage. A second ago you tried to take me to task over using the word Nazi. Now you're conflating CNN with an internet wackjob saying Hillary is a pedo?



The people you're talking about only believe one source. So unless you're that specific source you're out of luck.

For what it's worth, here's a little video of Mark Robinson not being a fascist at all.



This guy is right to call himself a nazi.

So he sounds like your typical Islamist in Britain.

Still wouldn’t call him a Nazi. Nut case, maybe. Hard core, for sure. Lock him up? Yeah, if necessary.

Nazi? Not really. There’s very few nazis left in the world, the fewer the better. Extreme ideology doesn’t automatically mean nazism. Doesn’t even mean he’s a facist. Maybe he has a few screws loose, but applying labels to fit with a certain narrative isn’t the way to go.

You want the guy recognised for what he is? Spread that video. People will see, and make up their own minds. But calling anyone a Nazi or facist is just a waste of time these days.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I don't know if you're aware of this but two people have tried to kill Trump in the last few months. Robinson is expected to lose, so I'm not sure how many people are going to risk their lives to kill him. Trump has expressed much admiration for Robinson (admittedly, before the nazi comments surfaced).




CNN does have some bias, this isn't bias.



That's garbage. A second ago you tried to take me to task over using the word Nazi. Now you're conflating CNN with an internet wackjob saying Hillary is a pedo?



The people you're talking about only believe one source. So unless you're that specific source you're out of luck.

For what it's worth, here's a little video of Mark Robinson not being a fascist at all.



This guy is right to call himself a nazi.

What is the option for people concerned about immigration and the state of their country?

Someone gets raped to death in my local park and I'm told to "lay off the algorithm"?

I'm not sure when I'm supposed to care anymore. I'm not sure who represents the centre or centre-right.

 

[Danoff]

So he sounds like your typical Islamist in Britain.

Still wouldn’t call him a Nazi. Nut case, maybe. Hard core, for sure. Lock him up? Yeah, if necessary.

Nazi? Not really. There’s very few nazis left in the world, the fewer the better. Extreme ideology doesn’t automatically mean nazism. Doesn’t even mean he’s a facist. Maybe he has a few screws loose, but applying labels to fit with a certain narrative isn’t the way to go.

You want the guy recognised for what he is? Spread that video. People will see, and make up their own minds. But calling anyone a Nazi or facist is just a waste of time these days.

His words, not mine. He's the one who wanted people to know he's a Nazi. And given how much he likes to say that the right kind of people need to be killed or enslaved, the shoe fits.

My point with all of this is that he does not fear calling gay people "filth" and calling for the murder of whoever he thinks are people who "need killing". Granted, his Nazi posts were from the guise of anonymity, but it is notable that having said it is not preventing preventing him from running for governor.

You paint a picture where people are afraid to speak their mind. I'm telling you that in the US we have a candidate for governor who calls gay people "filth", who says some people need killing, who endorses slavery, and called himself a nazi. Does that seem like fear to you?

What is the option for people concerned about immigration and the state of their country?

I'm not sure what it's like where you live. But here, being concerned about immigration is mainstream. It's so mainstream, we had bipartisan legislation to curtail illegal immigration not that long ago (that got backed out on for political reasons). Do you know how hard it is to have bipartisan legislation in the US?

Your complaint doesn't seem to be about legal immigration anyway, it seems to be about crime. I'm not sure who is stopping you from complaining about crime.

 

[MatskiMonk]

When am I not?

Well, Cheers, I'm having a pint of Pinot myself.

people concerned about immigration and the state of their country?

Someone gets raped to death in my local park and I'm told to "lay off the algorithm"?

I'm not sure when I'm supposed to care anymore.

Can I just clarify, since you mentioned it first, do you see immigration as the cause of that crime?

 

[HenrySwanson]

I'm not sure what it's like where you live. But here, being concerned about immigration is mainstream. It's so mainstream, we had bipartisan legislation to curtail illegal immigration not that long ago (that got backed out on for political reasons). Do you know how hard it is to have bipartisan legislation in the US?

It is here now, though people still tend to brand them as more right leaning than they may be. The video I posted was of our then Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Your complaint doesn't seem to be about legal immigration anyway, it seems to be about crime. I'm not sure who is stopping you from complaining about crime.

Well, Cheers, I'm having a pint of Pinot myself.



Can I just clarify, since you mentioned it first, do you see immigration as the cause of that crime?

Immigration could be a contributing factor. From the name, he is either an immigrant or descended from immigrants. It could be a failure to integrate (he was homeless) which may be due to a clash of cultures. It could be he was a high flyer who descended into living rough through circumstance. We should use it as a lesson rather than demonise people who are worried about the scale of immigration and what values those arriving hold.

If I were to do the same crime then I'd have no problem with people examining my case and questioning immigration policy and what it means for the future of the country (both my parents immigrated).

What exactly are we going to do when the next terrorist attack happens, for example?

 

[Danoff]

Immigration could be a contributing factor. From the name, he is either an immigrant or descended from immigrants. It could be a failure to integrate (he was homeless) which may be due to a clash of cultures. It could be he was a high flyer who descended into living rough through circumstance. We should use it as a lesson rather than demonise people who are worried about the scale of immigration and what values those arriving hold.

If I were to do the same crime then I'd have no problem with people examining my case and questioning immigration policy and what it means for the future of the country (both my parents immigrated).

What exactly are we going to do when the next terrorist attack happens, for example?

I don't understand what you're saying really. Are you saying that immigrants are confused about the law, or what the law allows? Because the example crimes you're giving don't seem to fit with that. Maybe you're saying that immigrants bring with them a genetic predisposition to crime? That of course doesn't make sense either.

Why link crime with immigration?

 

[HenrySwanson]

I don't understand what you're saying really. Are you saying that immigrants are confused about the law, or what the law allows? Because the example crimes you're giving don't seem to fit with that. Maybe you're saying that immigrants bring with them a genetic predisposition to crime? That of course doesn't make sense either.

Why link crime with immigration?

People are looking at what Sweden and Germany did and are saying, no thanks. With Sweden at least, it's even spilling into neighboring countries:

Sweden’s spreading crime epidemic alarms its neighbors

Shootings by Swedish gang members in other countries ups pressure on government in Stockholm.

www.politico.eu

 

[Danoff]

People are looking at what Sweden and Germany did and are saying, no thanks. With Sweden at least, it's even spilling into neighboring countries:

Sweden’s spreading crime epidemic alarms its neighbors

Shootings by Swedish gang members in other countries ups pressure on government in Stockholm.

www.politico.eu

I'm really not following. I looked at the article and didn't see anything about immigration, granted I didn't read it super closely.

You're worried that people coming from Sweden are going to be gang members? I'm kidding, but I need you to do a better job of walking me through your thought process. Also, we should probably take this back to the opinions forum at some point.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Also, we should probably take this back to the opinions forum at some point.

Maybe, but a lot talk of migrants is rooted in xenophobia and islamophobia.. so not entirely off topic here.

 

[W3H5]

Maybe, but a lot talk of migrants is rooted in xenophobia and islamophobia.. so not entirely off topic here.

Two of my favourite fobias!

Despite growing up surrounded by (these are my past friends) Nigerians, Jamaican, Polish, many Irish and a few other odd Europeans, I always placed English culture above all of those. I’m first generation English on my dad’s side, and my ma has a mostly Irish family.

Non of these peoples I interacted with were anti English or even ashamed to be English, like myself. Hell, my brother (step) has a French mum and a Jamaican dad.
All of these people chose to be English and abide by English law and follow English custom. As I did.

No true Muslim (or Scotsman) will ever call themselves “English”. These invaders from overseas, mostly from 3rd world Muslim countries, will never align to English values and assimilate into the communities they are put into (at the great expense of the tax payer).

I think I have a god (?lol) given right to be xenophobic, certainly Islamophobia (because Islam sucks balls) and slightly racist - see Rhodesia for clarification.

To say that England should be for the English is folly. To say that England should be English is 100% accurate.

Commence the **** storm lol. I don’t care anymore.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I'm really not following. I looked at the article and didn't see anything about immigration, granted I didn't read it super closely.

You're worried that people coming from Sweden are going to be gang members? I'm kidding, but I need you to do a better job of walking me through your thought process. Also, we should probably take this back to the opinions forum at some point.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nordic-countries-join-forces-combat-spread-swedish-gang-crime-2024-08-14/

Maybe, but a lot talk of migrants is rooted in xenophobia and islamophobia.. so not entirely off topic here.

What is your definition of Islamophobia?

 

[MatskiMonk]

What is your definition of Islamophobia?

I believe it's fairly well covered by the dictionary.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I believe it's fairly well covered by the dictionary.

Labour are having a hard time defining it because there's been objections to proposed definitions infringing on free speech.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Labour are having a hard time defining it because there's been objections to proposed definitions infringing on free speech.

and?

 

[HenrySwanson]

and?

Which dictionary definition do you go by?

Two of my favourite fobias!

Despite growing up surrounded by (these are my past friends) Nigerians, Jamaican, Polish, many Irish and a few other odd Europeans, I always placed English culture above all of those. I’m first generation English on my dad’s side, and my ma has a mostly Irish family.

Non of these peoples I interacted with were anti English or even ashamed to be English, like myself. Hell, my brother (step) has a French mum and a Jamaican dad.
All of these people chose to be English and abide by English law and follow English custom. As I did.

No true Muslim (or Scotsman) will ever call themselves “English”. These invaders from overseas, mostly from 3rd world Muslim countries, will never align to English values and assimilate into the communities they are put into (at the great expense of the tax payer).

I think I have a god (?lol) given right to be xenophobic, certainly Islamophobia (because Islam sucks balls) and slightly racist - see Rhodesia for clarification.

To say that England should be for the English is folly. To say that England should be English is 100% accurate.

Commence the **** storm lol. I don’t care anymore.

The majority (at the last poll) say they are British. The difference is about prioritising Islam and being Muslim first over being British. If that's the case (and one poll in 2006 showed 81% think that), I think it's fair to be critical of the religion, just as it should for Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism etc.

We should be highly interested in all religions' systems and values, especially when it can dominate someone's life or how a country treats its citizens.

People also need to talk about the difference between ethnicity and nationality, as a schism developed during the riots.

EDIT: I also wouldn't talk about people being invaders. Muslims that I know mostly want a better life here.

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Back on topic, I think a lot of what defines us is what we fear, sadly.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Which dictionary definition do you go by?

You post a 6:20 video with no comment to support an undefined point, in the hope I'd waste my time deciphering some meaning from it - and then you want me to state a source for a word that exists in our own language? It's like you're deliberately making discussion a time sink.

 

[W3H5]

Oooo, I love a time sink.

My bad. Still on the beer

 

[HenrySwanson]

You post a 6:20 video with no comment to support an undefined point, in the hope I'd waste my time deciphering some meaning from it - and then you want me to state a source for a word that exists in our own language? It's like you're deliberately making discussion a time sink.

Apologies, I thought the context was obvious (I think I assume people are on the same frequency as me a lot).

You said:

The notion that we're less able to express opinions these days is ridiculous.

The video showed what the then-Prime Minister thought about someone who did exactly that.

 

[MatskiMonk]

The video showed what the then-Prime Minister thought about someone who did exactly that.

And?

edit: wait, was she arrested? was she detained? was she beaten to death by the police afterwards?

 

[HenrySwanson]

And?

edit: wait, was she arrested? was she detained? was she beaten to death by the police afterwards?

I don't know what your problem is recently dude.

Your post was after mine which said:

Needs to be a middle ground, i.e. fear and ostracisation around the dehumanising statements but little to no stigma when acknowledging certain truths. Without the latter you get Trump, Reform, Brexit etc.

Were you talking about free speech, or social stigma when you said:

The notion that we're less able to express opinions these days is ridiculous.

I've been cordial but I am starting to get tired.

 

[Sprite]

I had a spider try and get in my ear last night. That freaked me out and unlocked a new fear.

 

[W3H5]

I had a spider try and get in my ear last night. That freaked me out and unlocked a new fear.

I’d happily deal with an ear spider if it was lodging to catch the mosquitos that wake me up buzzing in my ear.

 

[Hollow]

I fear contamination, in various ways.