The Flash (2014)

[Epic B]

Has anyone seen the new Flash series? The second episode aired today, and in my opinion, the first two episodes are a promising start to the series. What are other people's opinions on the series?

 

[FoolKiller]

Has anyone seen the new Flash series? The second episode aired today, and in my opinion, the first two episodes are a promising start to the series. What are other people's opinions on the series?

I'm enjoying it. It's definitely good for fans of Arrow. In fact, I had never seen Arrow and after watching the pilot for The Flash I went back and binge watched Arrow to catch up on it.

 

[Terronium-12]

I'm enjoying it. It's definitely good for fans of Arrow. In fact, I had never seen Arrow and after watching the pilot for The Flash I went back and binge watched Arrow to catch up on it.

You too, huh? I caught a little bit of an episode and was hooked before long and now I'm desperately trying to avoid watching another or going back to the beginning because the last thing I need is another TV show to watch.

It really is good though, same goes for The Flash - I knew I was watching this the day it was announced. A lot of the goings-on are going to go over my head as I never read the books too much.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Series starts in the UK next Tuesday, will give it a watch..

 

[FoolKiller]

You too, huh? I caught a little bit of an episode and was hooked before long and now I'm desperately trying to avoid watching another or going back to the beginning because the last thing I need is another TV show to watch.

It really is good though, same goes for The Flash - I knew I was watching this the day it was announced. A lot of the goings-on are going to go over my head as I never read the books too much.

I suggest giving Arrow a watch. They don't shy away from the comics. By the time season 2 is over you have The Suicide Squad, Deathstroke, Canary, Red Arrow, The Huntress and others, including references to other stories in the comics. You don't need to have read the comics to keep up. You won't catch the hints to upcoming characters, but once they are there you get their stories.

Jumping in now might leave you slightly confused, as it is all a continuation from the first two seasons.

 

[MHPALA]

Enjoying this and Gotham. I was looking at starting Arrow too until I saw how much I had to watch.

 

[FoolKiller]

After seeing the most recent episode, The Man with the Yellow Suit, I realize that the show writers have been burying the lead on who killed Barry's mom. I had suspicions, but there were a half dozen people in the comics that it could have been. The moment they said Yellow Suit, I was positive.

 

[Ibonibo]

Enjoy Arrow, so I enjoy this too since the beginning. And it's even better after the pilot, the pilot was a bit meh for me... but the new episodes really become better and better.

If it follows the same rate of improvement as Arrow did (cheesy in the beginning, bad acting at places), it's gone be awesome.

 

[Ibonibo]

Well after the mid season finale. I am stoked for it to continue.
Better than season 1 of arrow.
Love it.

Somebody can explain/ hypothesis the

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Reverse Flash/ Doctor situation? Can he jump in time? Why the doc? Who could be the 2nd Reverse Flash?

 

[FoolKiller]

Somebody can explain/ hypothesis the

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Reverse Flash/ Doctor situation? Can he jump in time? Why the doc? Who could be the 2nd Reverse Flash?

I'm not sure how this will work right now.

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In the comics Reverse Flash is from the future. I suspected that it was Eddie Thawne because his name in the comics is Eobard Thawne. At a minimum, I suspected it to be a future descendant of Eddie. It could be a future Eddie, which is why it didn't touch Eddie at all. It has been a couple of Thawnes over the years, so I can't tell who it might be. The Dr. Wells angle has confused me. He attaches a device to his yellow suit, which is why the Reverse Flash in the comics can move faster than Flash. Now, Reverse Flash occasionally went by eth name Professor Zoom, so they could be combining various universes versions of him. That still doesn't explain the Thawne connection, unless Dr. Wells is from the future to begin with and is Eobard Thawne. That is very possible, considering some of his secret tech. When Cisco noted that there was a yellow and red lightning there was a part in the comics where Barry traveled back in time to prevent his younger self from saving his mother. This could explain why Barry was suddenly blocks away from his house.

There is also the Hunter Zolomon storyline to consider. He is a villain from the Wally West Flash, but he was wheelchair bound and has glowing, red eyes. There has been casting done on a future love interest character that is actually from the Wally West comics as well, so they appear to be doing a lot of combining the Barry Allen and Wally West stories. This just confuses everything.

 

[ImaRobot]

Those end episode cut scenes make a week seem like forever

 

[FoolKiller]

Those end episode cut scenes make a week seem like forever

Well, it's not coming back until January for the winter break. I think it is January. I keep losing track of when Flash/Arrow are coming back and when Agents of SHIELD are coming back. One is late January and one is March.

 

[ImaRobot]

Well, it's not coming back until January for the winter break. I think it is January. I keep losing track of when Flash/Arrow are coming back and when Agents of SHIELD are coming back. One is late January and one is March.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I've never been a comic person, but I enjoy anything with super heroes/villians.

This last episode was really good and emotional. Having said what I said, I'm interested to see how it plays out with what Iris was told by Barry. I've read a little bit on the comics after watching the show so I kind of know what happens, but still I'd like to see how it plays out.

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That whole red/yellow thing clicked with me before Cisco had said it. Especially when the pilot shows something still running around even when Barry saw the man in yellow. I also found it odd that Iris's BF didnt get attacked, but my original conclusion was that the Dr was from the future and was actually the reverse flash but kind of went out the window when he got his butt kicked. If its following any of those time-travel laws that seem to be universally portrayed.

 

[FoolKiller]

Flash is back from its winter break. First episode back shows the beginning of The Rogues. The Flash is definitely cutting into the heart of the comics faster than Arrow did.

 

[Terronium-12]

Loving everything that's happening so far, but it's absolutely official: I hate Iris.

She's that cliched character that thinks knowing everyone's business doesn't put her in danger, and she's just annoying as 🤬.

 

[FoolKiller]

Loving everything that's happening so far, but it's absolutely official: I hate Iris.

She's that cliched character that thinks knowing everyone's business doesn't put her in danger, and she's just annoying as 🤬.

So, she's a journalist.

And as a human she needs to stop playing with Eddie and Barry's hearts. Plus, the stereotypical girl mood swings are killing me.

 

[Ibonibo]

At least it not as bad as Felicity and Oliver in the Arrow. But yes the show has a nice pace with the global arc and really loved it so far.

 

[Terronium-12]

So, she's a journalist.

And as a human she needs to stop playing with Eddie and Barry's hearts. Plus, the stereotypical girl mood swings are killing me.

I was yelling at my TV when she was all hurt that no one tells her anything "Oh, would you shut the 🤬 up about that?" and "Take her with you. She wants to help so badly, let Grodd take her."

At one point I even said if the show is cancelled it's going to be because of her.

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm just tired of TV women in general being mad, not for what happened, but because the guy lied about it.

Maybe she should ask why he felt okay letting everyone else know. She'll find out he wasn't. They happened to find out. This wasn't some anti-Iris conspiracy.

I'm curious about something.

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Eobard reveals to Eddie that Iris marries Barry. But Iris tells Barry she must stay with Eddie. Did Eobard just trigger the reason why Eddie and Iris don't work out?

Also, for those watching Arrow:

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Arrow had a meta that wasn't in Central City at the time the accelerator exploded. Is Eobard up to more crazy stuff? He does have that huge facility that we get to see at the end of the episode.

 

[ECGadget]

I am really liking how it is getting closer to the comics very quickly! It is a very good show in my opinion.

@FoolKiller In response to your first spoiler... most likely...

 

[ImaRobot]

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Eobard reveals to Eddie that Iris marries Barry. But Iris tells Barry she must stay with Eddie. Did Eobard just trigger the reason why Eddie and Iris don't work out?

What I think;

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I'm going to assume so. Since Eddie had that thought earlier in the season about Barry and Iris. He is probably going to have some hatred for it, realizing that his original thought might have been true. Undoing his relationship in the process.

Also, for those watching Arrow:

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Arrow had a meta that wasn't in Central City at the time the accelerator exploded. Is Eobard up to more crazy stuff? He does have that huge facility that we get to see at the end of the episode.

I haven't even dabbled with The Arrow yet but;

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That facility kind of reminded me of the tunnels in the particle accelerator, what if he's hiding in the spot that they wouldn't bother looking? Right under their noses.

 

[FoolKiller]

I am really liking how it is getting closer to the comics very quickly! It is a very good show in my opinion.

@FoolKiller In response to your first spoiler... most likely...

What I think;

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I'm going to assume so. Since Eddie had that thought earlier in the season about Barry and Iris. He is probably going to have some hatred for it, realizing that his original thought might have been true. Undoing his relationship in the process.

But

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Why didn't it work out before Eobard altered the timeline? Since he created the particle accelerator ten years early did he create an opportunity for Iris and Eddie to date? Time travel always screws stuff up.

I haven't even dabbled with The Arrow yet but;

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That facility kind of reminded me of the tunnels in the particle accelerator, what if he's hiding in the spot that they wouldn't bother looking? Right under their noses.

Can't be.

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The tunnels at STAR Labs are where they hold meta prisoners.

 

[ECGadget]

But

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Why didn't it work out before Eobard altered the timeline? Since he created the particle accelerator ten years early did he create an opportunity for Iris and Eddie to date? Time travel always screws stuff up.

Can't be.

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The tunnels at STAR Labs are where they hold meta prisoners.

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What I am thinking is a predestination paradox. The causal loop is triggered by Eobard travelling back, unintentionally Barry to lose his mother in the intention of killing him. Without that, Iris and Barry would possibly not be as close as they are anyway. But there is more than one loop taking place simultaneously; hence Barry is changing a future that Eobard does not want, and Eobard is changing a future to the one he wants, locking them in this constant battle. In reality I see neither futures being possible for them

 

[ImaRobot]

But

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Why didn't it work out before Eobard altered the timeline? Since he created the particle accelerator ten years early did he create an opportunity for Iris and Eddie to date? Time travel always screws stuff up.

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Going off what @ECGadget says actually makes some sense. His intention was never to kill Barry's mother, so if she was still alive maybe he wouldn't have known Iris as well as he did on this timeline as he wouldn't have gone to live with her. Maybe Eddie and Iris would have dated, but ended naturally instead of with some outside intervention, and that Barry wouldn't have came in until farther down the line. Another theory could be that She went and visited Barry just as much as her father, so without them actually knowing each other so well, maybe she would have not went as often resulting in her not getting introduced to Eddie? I dunno I'm just throwing stuff out there

2024 is when that "flash missing" article is written, but what year are they on in present time?

I also have a question. Eobard knew that Wells' particle accelerator created the flash. He intentionally made it early, and knew where Barry would be and how he was effected, and offered to save him for the sole reason of getting back to his own timeline. What happened on the original time line? Did the actual Wells search for, and save Barry, as well? I havent' read the comics at all, so I'm just throwing things out there.

Can't be.

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The tunnels at STAR Labs are where they hold meta prisoners.

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Ah I forgot about that. I just was figuring, because the rounded facility reminded me of it. Still though, it is a big place maybe that is just another secret area he built in anticipation to actually completing his goals.

 

[ECGadget]

@ImaRobot

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I have no recollection of a Harrison Wells in the comics ever, or an Eddie Thawne. Eobard however is exactly how he is in the comics. Now what I am thinking is that Wells is still somewhere within that body, similar to how Stein and Ronnie are linked in one body, and he is trying to fight him. How that factors in, I am not sure but I am 100% certain that Eobard is playing on a future that he thinks is where he needs to go but isn't due to the effects of time travel

 

[Terronium-12]

If there's one thing I hate...

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So suddenly Eddie wants to break up with Iris because of what he was shown and knew all along that it wasn't going to work out? If you knew all along than what could possibly possess you to keep yourself in a strained relationship? Even worse is he was going to propose!

Don't get me wrong, I could care less about how this affects Iris but the Future Ex Machina is silly.

I'm beginning to notice all of my criticisms somehow involve Iris...

 

[FoolKiller]

If there's one thing I hate...

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So suddenly Eddie wants to break up with Iris because of what he was shown and knew all along that it wasn't going to work out? If you knew all along than what could possibly possess you to keep yourself in a strained relationship? Even worse is he was going to propose!

Don't get me wrong, I could care less about how this affects Iris but the Future Ex Machina is silly.

I'm beginning to notice all of my criticisms somehow involve Iris...

Let's be fair though,

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If you were in a relationship and planning to get engaged, and then you were told that it doesn't work out by a man from the future who had evidence, would you stay in that relationship? Or would you look back and realize all the little things that you missed that pointed toward the outcome you were shown? A more interesting question is: What if Wells/Eobard causes Iris to marry Barry, when originally she did marry Eddie? What if he did it on purpose out of some future-based reason to hate Eddie? He uses Gideon to tell when things change beyond his wishes, so he knew he could get away with it.

But I will stomp all over your grumpy, cycnical parade to let my inner fanboy out.

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We got to see the ring that holds the suit!!!! Am I the only one that saw that? And then the Arrow, Flash, Firestorm team-up? Awesome!

Honestly, if all you took away from that episode was Iris issues then you are too busy watching this like a teenage girl.

 

[Terronium-12]

Let's be fair though,

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If you were in a relationship and planning to get engaged, and then you were told that it doesn't work out by a man from the future who had evidence, would you stay in that relationship? Or would you look back and realize all the little things that you missed that pointed toward the outcome you were shown?

To be perfectly honest, I would have been weary of the situation shortly after finding out Barry was Flash and remembering that hokey story Caitlin told Eddie and Iris shortly after Barry was somewhat up front about his feelings toward Iris.

There would have been light tension thereon out.

A more interesting question is: What if Wells/Eobard causes Iris to marry Barry, when originally she did marry Eddie? What if he did it on purpose out of some future-based reason to hate Eddie? He uses Gideon to tell when things change beyond his wishes, so he knew he could get away with it.

And what would that reason be? He already called him a failure. Although... it may have been less of an attempt to sabotage things (that was just the icing on the cake) and more of a way to drive a wedge between Barry and Eddie, perhaps leading to what I said previously?

He already outright decked him previously and now he's currently taking things a little bit bitterly and understandably so. I appreciate the dynamism of the characters and that they aren't handling things in the typical cliched fashion but I would have gotten more out of it if there had been more tension between just about everyone.

As it stood, there was only tension between Eddie and Iris because he wouldn't tell her what was going on, and the tension between Eddie and Barry because he knew. There was never any tension over anything else unless I'm forgetting something.

The even better question is had Barry never ran back in time how would things have played out between everyone involved?

But I will stomp all over your grumpy, cycnical parade to let my inner fanboy out.

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We got to see the ring that holds the suit!!!! Am I the only one that saw that? And then the Arrow, Flash, Firestorm team-up? Awesome!

Of course not. Before remembering that the ring was actually a thing, for some reason I thought Eobard went all Yellow Power Ring out of nowhere. I was like "Whoa. Wait, what?!".

I forgot to watch Arrow last night so I'll have to catch that on-demand. The nanites was a nice touch as well.

Honestly, if all you took away from that episode was Iris issues then you are too busy watching this like a teenage girl.

Iris is the only thing I criticize because I genuinely don't like the character, not the only takeaway.

I'm trying to think of someone to liken her to that's equally obnoxious to me but I'm drawing blanks.

 

[FoolKiller]

I'll be honest, I have no clue what the Reverse Flash's motivations are at this moment.

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At this point the Flash has to live until at least 2024. Eobard cannot change that. Why he is mucking about at this point is a complete mystery to me, unless his ability to get home is purely connected to something he can make Barry do now. I thought we were going to see it, but none of what he did relied on Eddie as a hostage. He took Eddie as a hostage for a reason, but it was not to force Barry's hand. In fact, his taking Eddie as a hostage only led to them working harder to find him and stop his plans. Either the writers got lazy with the relationship drama or Eddie is an added character for the purpose of creating a Ross/Rachel scenario which we could all do without.

By the way, did you catch the Green Lantern reference?

 

[Terronium-12]

After quickly looking through the episode again, yes!