The Future of GM and RWD: Zeta, Alpha and What It Means For You (Updated)

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This write-up first appeared a few days back on GMI, and I have to say that it is one of the most compelling arguments, and one of the better collections of information (at least, information that we have) of what GM plans to do with RWD over the next five or so years. I personally felt it was a well-written summation of whats going on, so feel free to comment on the current plans...

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A Further Glimpse of GM's RWD Plans​

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The rumor mill is grinding out some new inside information on what is ahead for GM's RWD plans, thanks to a previous reliable source. In fact, the news this week on Lutz's announcement that the RWD platform will continue despite his previous statements was actually passed along to us sometime ago, but this has been my first opportunity to post on it.

With this in mind, here is the inside news from the source along with a confirmation of what many of us on GMI have already speculated about.

We all know that the new Cadillac CTS comes out later this year and there has been much speculation as to the possibility of GM producing different variants of the CTS to fill other niches. Many GMIers and journalists have stated that GM's phoenix-like re-launching of the brand has been impressive, but that Caddy isn't exploiting enough niches.

Consider that BMW and Benz already offer coupes, convertibles, "4-door coupes" and wagons that help to incrementally increase sales and fatten the bottom line, thanks to sharing platforms with more mainstream vehicles. And now, even Audi is jumping into this fray with the new A5 Coupe and rumors of an A7 "4-door coupe" ala the Benz CLS coming soon.

Of course, Cadillac has none of this. But it seems that the folks at GM haven't let this go un-noticed.

As such, we will most certainly see a coupe spawned from the CTS that will essentially be Cadillac's 6-Series fighter. Expect it to cost more than the 'typical' CTS sedan. No word yet if it will retain the "CTS" moniker in coupe guise or if Caddy will look to 'expand' the nomenclature to include new monikers (just as the 5-Series and 6-Series are mechancially identical and share many interior bits, but have different names/marketing/etc). But with the CTS name becoming recognizable, it very well may just retain the CTS name.

To this Caddy will add CTS-based wagon. When the wagon debuts it will somewhat supplement the Caddy SRX, as many have speculated that it's days are numbered. The CTS wagon will be one of two vehicles that will replace the SRX.

The other vehicle will be the rumored Cadillac BRX. We will see the sunset on the SRX around June of 2009, with the BRX being launched possibly early 2009 as a 2010 model. The BRX will ride on a hybrid Theta-Epsilon platform (or as some have called it TE platform) for the intermediate term. So two products will essentially replace the one (granted, the TE isn't RWD, but still relevant to this topic).

The BRX will only be on the TE platform for only a short time before an all new model debuts in 2013 as a 2014 model. It will move to the RWD/AWD "Alpha" platform that has been pretty much confirmed in every which way to GM insiders short of an official announcement by the powers that be.

Both the "CTS Coupe" and wagon will debut in late 2009 as a 2010 model.

In 2010, the "new" CTS will have a significant MCE (but will launch as a 2011 model). GM is refreshening it rather quickly after it's initial launch in a bid to move move the entire CTS-Line to a true E-Class/5-Series fighter -- both in reality and in the eyes of the public.

Consider, when GM launched the original CTS, it was the 5-Series sized figher for 3-Series money --- and was the "entry-level car" for the Crest and Wreath brand (yes, we even remember some comparisons to the old Cimmaron as its "spiritual predecessor" before the critics got their chances behind the wheel). GM is already bringing the new car up a few notches when it debuts next year, but it will still be seen as the "entry-level" Caddy and perhaps still more of a 3-Series/A4/C-Class fighter than a truly E-Class/5-Series competitor. Giving it a MCE in 2010 will allow the GM to raise the profile gradually and give GM more time to add a new vehicle at the bottom of the lineup to directly compete with the 3-Series (more on this later).

Expect this CTS MCE will an updated exterior, an "all new" interior, more powerful engines, and more features to add to the top-spec models.

We can expect STS production to come to a end in the first-half of 2010, leaving the CTS-line of vehicles as the only Sigma based product GM will have after both the SRX and STS are faded out of production.

Soon after, expect the CTS family to get redesigned and migrate to a version of the Zeta platform sometime in 2012 as 2013 models. When this migration to Zeta happens, Sigma will essentially be dead come 2012, as GM will reduce the number of mid/large passenger car platforms down to the highly flexible Zeta platform, with Alpha taking up the mid/small range (no word on Kappa -- if it will elvove into Kappa II or use a smaller variant of Alpha).

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The new Cadillac BLS comes out January 2011 as a 2012 model and will be on the RWD/AWD Alpha platform so it can compete directly with the 3-Series. Expect the next-gen BLS to have a sedan, coupe, convertible and wagon variants ---- which will undoubtedly be appreciated by both North American and European customers with so many models to choose from. This news obviously contradicts the previous notion that the next BLS would be built in Europe on the same line as the 9-5/Vectra/9-3 in Russelheim. But, it also casts doubt of when the current model will be phased out. As of right now, the Alpha platform is in development but will take some lead times to get to market. And with Epsilon II coming out in the '09-'10 timeframe, what will this do to the production line in Trollhattan of Epsilon based vehicles since Delta II production will be ramped up in Trollhattan (presumedly for a 9-1)?

Could the current BLS be left alone and produced in Trollhattan or will GM put the product on hiatus for a few years until Alpha is ready? This is still unresolved as of this writing.

As Ming posted back in April in his article "Rumor Mill: Saturn's Future Car Plans", GM has decided to give Opel/Vauxhall a Alpha sedan -- and as of now, it seems GM has decided to green light a Saturn variant as well. This new "sport-sedan" will be sold alongside the next Vectra/Aura and all three brands will sell essentially the same car come early 2011 as a 2012 model.

GM has also greenlighted the next Pontiac GTO/Holden Monaro, but don't expect the car to be built in the US, but rather be sourced from Australia. The next GTO/Monaro will come out fall 2009 to compliment the G8.

The bad news in all of this is that GM has moved the Alpha based Pontiac G6 from 2010 to 2013. So in the mean time, come fall 2009 the G6 will be redesigned -- possibly on Epsilon II as a 2010 model. This means that the "next" G6 will have a short run on the platform before going to Alpha. The lead times in getting the Alpha up and running in Australia is what is holding the project back. GM can't afford to keep the current G6 around without a major update soon, so we can expect the G6 to continue as a FWD vehicle for the time being until GM-Holden completes development.

Also, GM is considering an El Camino for Chevy, and if GM give it a greenlight, then we should see it would come out possibly in 2009-2010.

GM has also decided that the name of Chevrolet's RWD/AWD Zeta sedan will indeed be Impala, despite recent concerns that the name would be abandoned. This reinforces Ming's other post "GM Looking to 2008 Chevy Malibu to defend Midsize Sedan Impala's Market Share" from a few months back. However, the timetable will be pushed back possibly a year. So it could be launched from November 2009 to June 2010. And of course, if it comes out in 2010 it will be a 2011 model, if it comes out in 2009 it will be a 2010 model.

A lot to absorb, but the bottom line remains; GM is NOT going to abandon RWD vehicles and it seems as though enthusiasts and performance lovers will have plenty to choose from in the coming years at GM. It also signals the first shift of what could be an equal/Saturn-Cadillac rebirth for Pontiac and what could amount to much higher volume for Cadillac.

(Disclaimer: This is cobbled together from a reputable and anonymous source Ming has cited in previous Rumor Mill threads, with some added commentary and speculation)

The future looks bright indeed. Too bad so much of it is at least three or more years away...
 
That Holden Torana looks fantastic--minus the pink color.

It's a car everyone wishes they will build but I can't see them doing it. 3-Series sized, RWD and that Torana has a 3.6L Twin Turbo. If they actually brought that thing out here I think it'd be sold out for months.
 
The comeback of the Torana has been thrown around for many years now, sooner or later I think it will return (probably later).
 
Guestimates in the US have the Torana/G6/BLS showing up sometime around 2010 at the earliest, probably in Holden form first. The Americans probably wont see their Alpha cars until 2011 or 2012, and indeed much of that is based around the success/failure of the new Epsilon II chassis that will be showing up later this year with the new Saab 9-3 and 9-5, as well as the new Vectra, etc.

A cheap, lightweight, RWD high-performance sedan is in order, and GM certainly has the skills to do with with the combined powers of Cadillac/Opel/Holden. With Zeta slowly taking over the company, it may just be a guess, but I may even assume that Alpha will be a 6/8ths-scale version of Zeta, and hopefully should make development and production that much easier...
 
Here is more from a "credited" media source:

Edmund's Inside Line
DETROIT — General Motors' plan for a new family of midsize, rear-wheel-drive cars is beginning to take shape, with the lead vehicle — an RWD successor to the Pontiac G6 — penciled in for a late 2010 intro, Inside Line has learned.

The platform, called Alpha, also will underpin several other models in North America and Europe, beginning in model-year 2011, according to GM suppliers. Alpha reportedly has been designed to use bits of the Kappa platform on which the Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky are based.

Replacements for the front-wheel-drive Cadillac BLS sedan and wagon, based on the rear-drive Alpha architecture, are due in early 2011. At that time, the car may be introduced in North America, where it would be slotted below the CTS in size and price, with stickers starting in the high $20,000s.

In model-year 2012, Saturn is slated to get an Alpha-based sedan, which may supplement rather than replace the front-wheel-drive Aura. The RWD Saturn four-door body will be shared with Opel and Holden, GM insiders tell IL.

However, GM still has significant plans for several of its existing front-wheel-drive midsize sedans. The old W-body platform (also known internally as MS2000) is being phased out after 2010. A successor to the W-body Buick LaCrosse, rebadged as the Regal, will shift to the Epsilon 2 platform in early 2009, followed by a redesigned Aura in late 2009. The new Epsilon-based Regal, according to IL sources, will be built and sold in both North America and China, with virtually identical sheet metal.

The Malibu gets a significant redesign this fall but isn't scheduled to move to the Epsilon 2 architecture until late 2010. About the time the last of the old W-body models — the Chevrolet Impala (rebadged as the Impala Classic) — is put out to pasture, Chevrolet may create a long-wheelbase, six-passenger companion to the Epsilon-based Malibu, to serve customers and fleets who prefer front-wheel drive and may shy away from the new RWD Impala that's coming in mid-2010. Chevy reportedly would pit this large FWD four-door against the Ford Taurus (née Five Hundred).

In Europe, replacements for the Saab 9-5 and 9-3 will shift to Epsilon 2, in mid-2009 and mid-2010, respectively. Opel and Daewoo also will have future products based on the same architecture.

What this means to you: GM still intends to offer a smorgasbord of sedans, in both front- and rear-wheel drive, in the midsize segment.

Alpha and Zeta are easily the two best things GM will offer come close to the end of the decade, and I can't wait for both to be on the streets. It will be a bit odd seeing some models rise and fall with the different platforms going in and out, but it indeed should be interesting to see the final results.

Putting the G6 on a RWD chassis is the right thing to do, allowing it to take on some of the lower-level sport sedans out there today, while leaving Buick and Chevrolet (and probably Saturn) to pick up the 'average' family sedan market.

What would I like to see more than anything?

A cheap, small, efficient 2+2 RWD coupe from GM with I4 and V6 engine options. Call it the Nova, leave room for a V8 SS, and they'll sell like hotcakes...
 
Wow, the W-body is going to live until 2009? Thats like a 20 year production run. Giving the Ford Fox platform (25 years) a run for its money...but while Fox underpinned only one car for the majority of years it was alive, while the W had a car under each of GM's brands (excluding GMC and Cadillac) for all for those 20 years.
 
GM's Alpha platform to underpin new Chevy, not Pontiac

Autoblog
When we first got word earlier this year that GM was working on a new small rear-wheel-drive platform called Alpha, everyone thought that Cadillac and Pontiac would be the first brands to get it. A rear-wheel-drive replacement for the Euro-only BLS was a given, considering that Cadillac has to compete more aggressively with the BMW 3-series over there. The Pontiac model, meanwhile, was expected to replace the front-wheel-drive Epsilon-based G6. Its inclusion in Pontiac's lineup would give the brand two rear-wheel-drive sports sedans, finally offering customers some of that excitement they've been promised for so long.

Motor Trend is now reporting that the high-volume Alpha model will instead be a Chevrolet sedan. Given that Pontiac is supposed to be more of a performance brand with the Solstice and upcoming G8, this move doesn't really make sense if it's in fact true. Chevy already has what appears to be a winner with the new Malibu, and a smaller rear-wheel-drive sedan seems at odds with the brand's current ethos of mainstream, family friendly, versatile and affordable vehicles. We suspect a group of vocal bean counters convinced someone that more Alpha-based sedans would be sold in the U.S. if they wore a bow tie, and perhaps that's true, but if GM really wants a coherent brand strategy among its many marques, then the Alpha should be a Pontiac.

[Source: Motor Trend]

Hmm. An interesting decision. Maybe GM is trying to play around a little with brand roles? Perhaps GM is trying to make more models rear-drive? All I can say is that I will be happy as long as we see it on some Pontiacs and I think Saturn would do well with a RWD car.
 
A rear-wheel-drive replacement for the Euro-only BLS was a given, considering that Cadillac has to compete more aggressively with the BMW 3-series over there.

Understatement of the century. How many BLS did they sell, four?
 
A cheap, small, efficient 2+2 RWD coupe from GM with I4 and V6 engine options. Call it the Nova, leave room for a V8 SS, and they'll sell like hotcakes...

Mine'll have a 2.0 turbo Ecotec and scare S13/14/15s on the drift track. The problem with asking for a V8 model, of course, is that price and performance would be in Camaro Territory. But, without a V8...well, it might as well be a rebadged Toyota Corolla. (Not that there WAS anything wrong with that partnership, other than it goes as Toyota goes..)

Then again, what else are you gonna call an FR compact? Vega? Chevette? Chevy II?
 
I feel like Motor Trend might be a little off the mark here... To act like Pontiac should take from Chevy one of the few RWD platforms is kind of silly.
Rather than place all of the good stuff under Pontiac, wouldn't it be smart to diversify the range in all GM products?
I'm sure there are people out there who don't want to buy a Pontiac but would consider buying a Chevy, wouldn't this be a great move to get those buyers?

Also, what kind of car person (assuming the people at MT are car people) would say that because the Malibu is successful GM doesn't need a rear wheel drive Chevy? :rolleyes:

Further, since when did "mainstream, family friendly, versatile and affordable vehicles" mean RWD couldn't work?

It's articles from MT like this one that remind me why I haven't renewed my subscription in the last 5 years. :indiff:

Still, atleast we've got news on Alpha. :cheers:
 
Understatement of the century. How many BLS did they sell, four?

Are they on sale? I don't think I've seen any, much less cared.

I feel like Motor Trend might be a little off the mark here... To act like Pontiac should take from Chevy one of the few RWD platforms is kind of silly.

Trying to piece it together, all I could come up with was that a Chevy would be the first brand to have a model on the Alpha chassis. There are probably going to be several cars on this platform, and it would make no sense to deny Pontiac a RWD platform and make them go FWD instead.

Rather than place all of the good stuff under Pontiac, wouldn't it be smart to diversify the range in all GM products?

Isn't the reason GM has so many marques so they can separate the lines a little? It wouldn't make sense for Pontiac, Chevy, Saturn, Buick and the rest to all be selling every model in the GM briefcase and competing with each other. There would be no image with any brand. And they have things like the Red Line series and large varieties of engines for those who want a little more performance.

I'm sure there are people out there who don't want to buy a Pontiac but would consider buying a Chevy, wouldn't this be a great move to get those buyers?

I can see why they would do that, but I just don't see brand loyalty to be a huge factor that GM will shuffle their whole range around. And I'm sure a die-hard Chevy fan will just go out and buy a Chevy no matter what. And they do have things like the Camaro and SS models.

Further, since when did "mainstream, family friendly, versatile and affordable vehicles" mean RWD couldn't work?

Isn't FWD cheaper and more efficient? I would assume that there is a reason so many European hatches and many American cars are FWD to begin with.
 
It all depends on who you talk to as to what exactly is going on. Over at GMI (Tophat can reflect on this), the Revitalization in Action team recently did their work on the Chevrolet lineup which included TWO alpha models, but neither were of a small sport sedan type.

From the RMI Postings:

GM Inside News
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Trim Levels

Base: LT
Up-level: LTZ
Sport: SS

Body Styles: Convertible Hardtop, Nomad SportWagon

Introduction

Based on GM's upcoming Alpha platform, Nomad and Bel Air make a comeback to the Chevrolet lineup as niche heritage vehicles. Both introduced as concepts a few years ago, they are produced true to their conceptual form, and designed with Chevrolet's latest styling elements. The two cars compliment each other perfectly, and Bel Air fills a gap at Chevrolet for an upper end luxury convertible with retro style. Four vehicles make up what we like to call the Chevrolet "heritage lineup", the HHR, Impala and Bel Air/Nomad. These vehicles are designed to draw on the appeal of Chevrolet's classics and bring them into the modern age. The "volume" vehicle of the two (if you want to call it that) would be the Nomad; and it's priced accordingly. The potential is here for some quite nice profit margins on the upper end Bel Air models. Nomad is quite the value for what you get however, and should find quite a few buyers.

The Nomad is the sporty model out of these two, with sportier suspension tuning on all trim levels. Bel Air, the more expensive and luxurious model, is a luxury hardtop that's all about style. Inside, these two are modern, with hints of classic Chevrolet in their design. As with some recent products from the brand, two-tone interior coloring is displayed prominently in the LTZ and SS models. Nomad and Bel Air also mark a comeback to the availability of two-tone exterior paint, which is available at extra charge across the model lineup.

The Nomad and Bel Air are available in 3 trim levels, the base being the LT. Starting at $32,250 for the Bel Air and $30,150 for the Nomad, they are powered by a 2.0L 245HP ECOTEC High Output Turbo 4, the same one found in the Cobalt SS. Fuel efficient and powerful, the ECOTEC is well suited as a base engine for these vehicles. Next is the Bel Air's defining model, the LTZ , which would be the most popular Bel Air trim level. Powered by the 3.0L 295HP HF V6 with Direct Injection found in the Malibu, the Bel Air LTZ starts at $36,995 and Nomad LTZ, $33,250. With it's RWD platform begging for power and sports suspension tuning, we were sure to oblige with an powerful SS model. In this guise, GM's 3.6L HF making 335HP is stuffed into the Alpha platform, making for two very quick vehicles. Bel Air SS starts at $39,250 and Nomad SS at $36,250.

Word from the inside is that GM is actually considering producing both of these vehicles, but is paying special attention in bringing out Bel Air hardtop convertible model. With the Alpha platform not out yet and these vehicles yet to hit full scale development, we set a feasible aunch date for late 2011, as a 2012 model.

Specifications Sheet

Vehicle Type: Midsize RWD 4 Passenger 2 door Convertible and 3-Door SportWagon
Size Comparison: 2004 Nomad Concept, 2002 Bel Air Concept
Competitors: VW Eos, Volvo C70
Base Platform: Alpha
Drive Wheels: RWD
Engines:
LT: 2.0L 245HP ECOTEC HOT 4 - Starting at $32,250 (Bel Air), $30,150 (Nomad)
LTZ: 3.0L 295HP HF V6 w/DI - Starting at $36,995 (Bel Air), $33,250 (Nomad)
SS: 3.6L 335HP HF V6 w/DI - Starting at $39,250 (Bel Air), $36,250 (Nomad)
Transmissions: 6 Speed Automatic (Standard), 6 Speed Manual (Optional: LT/LTZ)

If GMI/RMI is as close as I think they are, their proposition seems far more realistic for the Chevrolet brand than that of what Motor Trend has been saying.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt, Pontiac WILL have a small RWD sedan to compete with the 3-series here in the United States. It fits the G8 mold well to have a smaller, more efficent alternative to the big sedan, and my guess would be that it would be a far more entertaining vehicle (overall) by comparison to its Chevrolet cousins... By that I do imply that a high-performance V8 is a near-certainty with a GXP model (nothing over 400 BHP as of now).

The Chevy twins will probably happen, I think. Keep them both low-volume (I'd guess fewer than 50K combined per year), cheap, and middle-performance by comparison to the Pontiac. My guess is that the Bel-Air would be far more successful than the Nomad, should both be produced, but at the same time I would infer that a 2+2 Coupe with a V8 would sell quite well too...

We'll see. Give Alpha to the brands that need it, I don't want to see a RWD Saab or Saturn (well, except the Sky) any time soon...

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Philly, the BLS wasn't slated for US sale because it is essentially a re-skinned Saab 9-3 with a more upscale interior. Its a good car, but not nearly as good as the CTS. I'll happily wait for the Alpha BLS in the future.

On the Chevrolet vs Pontiac thing:

It really does depend on how old you are and how you were brought up in regards to your position on the brands. My Dad HATES Pontiacs, he only sees them as "upscale Chevrolets, not much of a difference" which is completely true... But at the same, I've been around Pontiacs all my life with my Mom's family (we have a Grand Prix right now), and I honestly do prefer them over Chevrolets in some cases.

In the end, they certainly fill some of the same void, but if Pontiac is supposed to be the "cheap" BMW and Chevrolet is supposed to be the "Toyota Fighter," the lines need to be drawn a bit better. Both can certainly have their own Alpha cars, however, I believe GM is smart enough to put them in separate categories based on the cars the brands already carry.
 
Philly, the BLS wasn't slated for US sale because it is essentially a re-skinned Saab 9-3 with a more upscale interior. Its a good car, but not nearly as good as the CTS.

It was not a good car, it was a total flop. They undersold their minimum expectations by a whole lot (we're talking 25% of the 7,000 they were hoping to at least sell) in the first year. Mediocrity and very poor brand effort.
 
What is the Nomad? I remember the concept of a few years back, but is it just a 2 door wagon? Or a glorified hatchback? But it looks fun. I would love to get my hands on a SS, with the rear-drive and small size. Although it might be another case of there being a hole in the market that doesn't need filling.

And I am young enough to view Pontiac as one of the better American brands. And having the G8 and co. coming over only helps. I remember thinking the Grand Prix was one of the coolest cars out there, but then I found Germany on the map and haven't turned back. Although seeing every other car being a GP at my school parking lot doesn't help the brand's image much.
 
Where does it say that? For all we know they could be shoehorning a whole new engine under the hood of Alpha. (I'd like a 4.5-5.0L V8 putting out 290-320 horsepower. :D, with a substanstial amount of torque too.)
 
I'd take that Nomad, definitely better idea than the HHR. And it's still small enough that the S13/4/5 could get somewhat frightened.

Yeah, a bit more "breadvan" GT than draggin' wagon. I like that.
 
Where does it say that? For all we know they could be shoehorning a whole new engine under the hood of Alpha. (I'd like a 4.5-5.0L V8 putting out 290-320 horsepower. :D, with a substanstial amount of torque too.)

YSSMAN's article does indicate a 2.0 L 4, a 3.0 L V-6 and an SS at 3.6 liters and a V-6. I wouldn't expect any Super Duper Sport model to beat out the SS with a 6.0 L V-8 any time soon. I do think a Corvette engine would go well in the car though:tup:!
 
YSSMAN's article does indicate a 2.0 L 4, a 3.0 L V-6 and an SS at 3.6 liters and a V-6. I wouldn't expect any Super Duper Sport model to beat out the SS with a 6.0 L V-8 any time soon. I do think a Corvette engine would go well in the car though:tup:!

That's why we have Tuners. and COPO. ;)
 
YSSMAN's article does indicate a 2.0 L 4, a 3.0 L V-6 and an SS at 3.6 liters and a V-6. I wouldn't expect any Super Duper Sport model to beat out the SS with a 6.0 L V-8 any time soon. I do think a Corvette engine would go well in the car though:tup:!

YSSMAN's Article is nothing but speculation.
 
What is the Nomad? I remember the concept of a few years back, but is it just a 2 door wagon? Or a glorified hatchback? But it looks fun. I would love to get my hands on a SS, with the rear-drive and small size. Although it might be another case of there being a hole in the market that doesn't need filling.

Well, it was a two-door wagon with a rear seat. Then it got bigger, and by 1958, it was a trim level of the Chevrolet station wagon line.

I like the concept of the nomad, but ditch that grille. Airsuckers are in. If you're going retro, bring back the massive grille the '55 had. Better yet, make it look like the original concept from 1954.

I see it as a Mini, C30, A3 competitor. And a decent one at that.
 
Well, considering those are all FF based and this one's FR...and available with a readily tunable Turbo engine...yeah, it's more than a competitor. That's kind of why I compared it to a "Breadvan" GT like the Z3 Coupe and...whatever...came before the Z3. yeah.

and it should leave all those 240SXs just a little nervous. mweh. heh. heh.

I would LOVE to see Rhys drift that car.
 
I see it as a Mini, C30, A3 competitor. And a decent one at that.

Considering it will be the only rear-drive of the bunch, allowing for lots more power without it getting too quickly out of control, 👍👍.

BUT, the way I see it, it really isn't a competitor to anything. Much like the PT Cruiser didn't really have anything against it until the HHR wandered into the scene.
 
And by then, the PT had long been on life support. :dopey:

It is and it isn't a competitor, in some senses. It's the same type of vehicle as the C30 and Mini. It's a small "wagon" or hatchback. But for some, the drive type makes it a totally different vehicle. Some buyers won't care. But, it's an enthusiast car, like the Mini. (Or a teenage girl's car) And it offers something new to young enthusiast car buyers. Most people looking for an economical vehicle would jump at this one. Rear drive? four cylinders? Turbo!? Sign me up! I agree with part of your argument, philly. But I think it's a better move on GM's part to sell it as a rear driver. It's different than the traditional "hot hatch" and may end up escaping some of the stigmas we've come to associate them with over the past several years. It can succeed at first the way the early PT cruisers did, simply because it's different. But, unlike the PT, this car has redeeming qualities. And a definite performance side to it.
 
Well, the PT GT DID have the SRT-4's Turbo mill, but, yeah, I see your point.

I've probably been overplaying my Drifter point of view, But, hey, Chevrolet's never put out a 4-cyl car this cool. They missed the Fiero and Kappa twins. The Cobalt and HHR Super Sports are still Front-Front, and while pretty good, they still aren't, well, rear-drive. The Nomad (and, let's not forget, the Bel-Air, but that Nomad's so much cooler...) would be a really neat, low-priced, high-punch little brother to the Camaro. And, you know, it's got a longer wheelbase than Kappa, meaning you can get some bigger angles...

What?
 
And the Ecotec with a Turbo is a very, very good thing. It's fun to drive in front-drive guise already. It only gets better with the drive wheels in back! :D
 
Just read through the GMI post again, I made up my dream combo for this one.

VEHICLE: Nomad
MODEL: LT/COPO
ENGINE: 2.0 Turbo: 270HP (That's the right one, right?)
SUSPENSION: SS-level
WHEELS: Steel, 18"
TIRES: Stickiest 18"s in the factory
PAINT: White
TRANSMISSION: Manual
DIFFERENTIAL: LSD, if available on higher model
KARMA: Instant
 
I don't want them to make a Bel-Air a compact car. Make it full-sized. A Statesman wheel-base 'Vert. With a Standard V8. :D

EDIT: I here by demand that all retro cars with a base from before '62 be as slab sided as the original.
 
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