The Graphics

They gave us a new track, 2 new cars, and a new physics system. Thats pretty good for a free DLC until March.
3 months to go!
 
Maybe I was the only guy that was looking towards the demo and expecting to see a glimmer of GT5 in there somewhere. Come on! If EVERYONE were being honest with themselves, they would be saying the exact same thing.

I'm a #1 GT fan as the rest of you guys are, but I'm not blind! Yes the time trial challenge is a demo, but surely it should of been a demo of the actual game, not some mocked-up something that doesnt relate to the final game. PD owed it to us loyal fans to at least deliver a pant-wetting demo, in some ways to say thanks for the patience, but they failed miserably to do that.

Its getting to the point now that I am expecting no less than an epiphany when I place that hallowed GT5 blu-ray in my PS3. Shortly after I start the game, the doorbell will ring, and as I open the door, I will be bathed in warm light, with a host of angels standing on my driveway singing 'Hossanah!', as a gentle mist rolls over my doorstep.

A gliimer will catch my eyes in the distance, as I watch in awe as the Angel Gabriel swoops down from the heavens to land gracefully right infront of me. 'Michael' the Angel will say, 'The father, Son and the Holy Ghost, humbly request a lan party!' as he points off into the distance. Following his gesture, I will see the stairway to heaven, and three figures casually walking down towards me, each with a PS3 under one arm, and a HD monitor under the other.

The eldest of the three, will kneel before me, and say, 'With compliments from Sony and Polophony Digital'. The youngest will step forward and say to me 'Go easy mate, I've got bad hands!', I laugh, and invite them in for a heavenly session of GT5!

I don't know about you, but the physics surely were pant-wetting to me. I can't go back to prologue now :lol:
 
Yes you are.

You were asking how to get the cockpit view. :|
No... I was talking about onboard cam with different angles, I even showed you pics and videos.
I have gt5p and more than 800 posts on this forum, do you really think I don't know how to get the cockpit view?...
 
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I don't know about you, but the physics surely were pant-wetting to me. I can't go back to prologue now :lol:

I have previously said that the physics were brilliant, they are, wished the rest of the demo was that good! 👍
 
Yea i agree. I think that all of the details was there but there's not that much quality as GT5P. The TT demo was probably an early build dealing with the physics for PD to decide maybe whether they should include this in the final release. And they allow the public to test it out later maybe.

Hopefully they will up the detail and resolution. However we may get the same level of detail in gt5 because of the 70 odd tracks. Prologue will probably have the best graphics as it only had 6 tracks.

I hope I;m pleasantly surprised.
 
Maybe I was the only guy that was looking towards the demo and expecting to see a glimmer of GT5 in there somewhere. Come on! If EVERYONE were being honest with themselves, they would be saying the exact same thing.

I'm a #1 GT fan as the rest of you guys are, but I'm not blind! Yes the time trial challenge is a demo, but surely it should of been a demo of the actual game, not some mocked-up something that doesnt relate to the final game. PD owed it to us loyal fans to at least deliver a pant-wetting demo, in some ways to say thanks for the patience, but they failed miserably to do that.

Its getting to the point now that I am expecting no less than an epiphany when I place that hallowed GT5 blu-ray in my PS3. Shortly after I start the game, the doorbell will ring, and as I open the door, I will be bathed in warm light, with a host of angels standing on my driveway singing 'Hossanah!', as a gentle mist rolls over my doorstep.

A gliimer will catch my eyes in the distance, as I watch in awe as the Angel Gabriel swoops down from the heavens to land gracefully right infront of me. 'Michael' the Angel will say, 'The father, Son and the Holy Ghost, humbly request a lan party!' as he points off into the distance. Following his gesture, I will see the stairway to heaven, and three figures casually walking down towards me, each with a PS3 under one arm, and a HD monitor under the other.

The eldest of the three, will kneel before me, and say, 'With compliments from Sony and Polophony Digital'. The youngest will step forward and say to me 'Go easy mate, I've got bad hands!', I laugh, and invite them in for a heavenly session of GT5!


I am honest with myself in saying that whatever PD gives us I will be happy with and not whine because its not the game that the PS3 cant handle. Also PD doesnt owe us anything. We are already after getting a lot more than any other company would have given us. We alreafy got GT HD and GT5:P which they updated a few times and which has a lot of cars in it.

As for the rest of your rant , well you need to ease off the drugs.
 
I am honest with myself in saying that whatever PD gives us I will be happy with and not whine because its not the game that the PS3 cant handle. Also PD doesnt owe us anything. We are already after getting a lot more than any other company would have given us. We alreafy got GT HD and GT5:P which they updated a few times and which has a lot of cars in it.

As for the rest of your rant , well you need to ease off the drugs.

Who said I was ranting? If you thought I was maybe YOU should stay off the drugs! :lol:

As for the rest of what I said, I was just trying to add a little colour to the arguement, and possible garner a few laughs. Obviously, satire is beyond you! :lol:

I also think your wrong to suggest that PD owe us nothing. PD DO owe me, and others like me who have made the franchise what it is. I've been a loyal fan since day one, as have many here, KY may have given us his vision, but it is us the loyal fans that have made Gran Turismo what it is. Only a fool would turn his back on those that have given him the status he is now affored with! 👍
 
I also think your wrong to suggest that PD owe us nothing. PD DO owe me, and others like me who have made the franchise what it is. I've been a loyal fan since day one, as have many here, KY may have given us his vision, but it is us the loyal fans that have made Gran Turismo what it is. Only a fool would turn his back on those that have given him the status he is now affored with! 👍

This juust shows that you are driven by greed. We have had a lot more than any other publisher or developer would have given us by giving us GT HD and GT5 Prologue. I am a loyal fan myself and own every GT game I could get my hands on but I dont ask for any more than what I am getting.
 
The Tokyo R246 @ TGS looked much better then this demo. Must be the small file size. Compressing the data so people with small data caps don't get fazed by a huge file size. After all, this demo is only showcasing PD's work on Physics not Graphics.
 
On gran-turismo.com website if anybody looked at the screen shots of the time trial cockpit view there's a difference between the graphics on there's. I notice that the quality of the shading is more smoothened out and the lighting is not so bright. On the demo that we have, the shading looks zig zagged it's not smooth. I actually compared there's and mine. Did anybody notice that?
 
We have had a lot more than any other publisher or developer would have given us by giving us GT HD and GT5 Prologue. I am a loyal fan myself and own every GT game I could get my hands on but I dont ask for any more than what I am getting.

I dont see you logic. They gave you a game, GT5P, which you payed for, how does this vary from any other company that gives you a game, which you pay for? T10 have bought out both Forza 2 and 3... how does this vary from PD giving you a prologue, which you paid for, and eventually GT5?

Plenty of devs and publishers are bringing out good games, some of them give free content and demos... I dont see how PD is any different.
 
On gran-turismo.com website if anybody looked at the screen shots of the time trial cockpit view there's a difference between the graphics on there's. I notice that the quality of the shading is more smoothened out and the lighting is not so bright. On the demo that we have, the shading looks zig zagged it's not smooth. I actually compared there's and mine. Did anybody notice that?

The screens you see there are not gameplay. They appear to be from photomode. Looks pretty much the same but without the imperfections. People call them bullshots. Screenshots released by the developers that are not direct gameplay captures.
 
The screens you see there are not gameplay. They appear to be from photomode. Looks pretty much the same but without the imperfections. People call them bullshots. Screenshots released by the developers that are not direct gameplay captures.
+1 bullshots
 
I dont see you logic. They gave you a game, GT5P, which you payed for, how does this vary from any other company that gives you a game, which you pay for? T10 have bought out both Forza 2 and 3... how does this vary from PD giving you a prologue, which you paid for, and eventually GT5?

Plenty of devs and publishers are bringing out good games, some of them give free content and demos... I dont see how PD is any different.
Of course you dont because you just havent read what I have said properly. Saying that PD owes us something is being greedy. We are after getting enough from them so far. Even though we paid for GT5 Prologue we still got that from them even though it wasnt free.
 
I bitched and moaned about the chopy replays for a while when I had prologue, but honestly, the graphics on prologue and the demo are so sharp on my 1080p TV, I really don't care about the graphics anymore. they get the job done, and I can see the damn road = P.
I think GT5 will be different from previous GT releases in one noticable aspect: We'll likely see a drastic # increase of real tracks versus fantasy tracks, and because of this, all the REAL tracks might end up disapointing us because they arent flashy or full of shrubbery and hills. (trial mountain).
In all likelyhood, tracks like trial mountain and deep forest might end up looking jaw dropping come release day, and could serve as the eye candy we crave typical in a new GT title. I mean the game is going to be so Freekin big, we could end up seeing drastic differences between tracks in terms of graphics. the bottom line: Some tracks just dont have much around to look at. Think about that before comparing it to other racing titles in graphics.
 
Of course you dont because you just havent read what I have said properly. Saying that PD owes us something is being greedy. We are after getting enough from them so far. Even though we paid for GT5 Prologue we still got that from them even though it wasnt free.

I wasn't suggesting PD owe us anything, but you said..

We are already after getting a lot more than any other company would have given us.

...which I didn't see the logic of that thought, given they've given us nothing that 90% of game devs/publishers give.
 
You keep convincing yourself that.

Umm, ok? :P

You say it as if I'm somehow deluding myself that PD aren't giving us more than other developers when really they are, despite the fact your argument for them giving us more than other developers is that they've given us a paid demo, which I dont see as any different from any other developer giving us, ya know, a paid game. By that logic devs that give free games or large free demos must be gods amongst men ;)
 
Umm, ok? :P

You say it as if I'm somehow deluding myself that PD aren't giving us more than other developers when really they are, despite the fact your argument for them giving us more than other developers is that they've given us a paid demo, which I dont see as any different from any other developer giving us, ya know, a paid game. By that logic devs that give free games or large free demos must be gods amongst men ;)

My argument is that people say PD owe us something more as if we didnt get anything between now and GT5 which isnt true. Also when I say PD gave us more than any other developer would have , I mean that most any other developers wouldnt have given us GTHD or GT5 Prologue in the 5 year development.

Also if you are complaining about paying for prologue then you must not care much about funding the development of GT5. I am sure if we didnt pay for prologue then PD would have financial difficulties in this recession to de3velop GT5.

We arent owed anything from PD because they are after giving us enough and if anybody else says they owe us more then I see them as being greedy.
 
My argument is that people say PD owe us something more as if we didnt get anything between now and GT5 which isnt true. Also when I say PD gave us more than any other developer would have , I mean that most any other developers wouldnt have given us GTHD or GT5 Prologue in the 5 year development.

Also if you are complaining about paying for prologue then you must not care much about funding the development of GT5. I am sure if we didnt pay for prologue then PD would have financial difficulties in this recession to de3velop GT5.

We arent owed anything from PD because they are after giving us enough and if anybody else says they owe us more then I see them as being greedy.

I never said we were owed anything by PD. I never complained about paying for prologue. YOU said PD gave us a lot more than other developers, I was simply saying they haven't given us anything special that any other games developer wouldn't or hasn't given. I never complained about anything, I'm not sure where you got that idea from.
 
I think GT5 will be different from previous GT releases in one noticable aspect: We'll likely see a drastic # increase of real tracks versus fantasy tracks, and because of this, all the REAL tracks might end up disapointing us because they arent flashy or full of shrubbery and hills. (trial mountain).

Nurburgring - most popular GT track.

Indy circuit is a bit dull but the authenticity and pleasure of driving a real circuit outweighs the clinical nature of it's reproduction. I think the mixture in GT5 will be just fine. I recall original GT circuits being fairly dull. The improvement made to High Speed Ring from older GTs to GT5:P is fantastic. Hopefully the choice of real life circuits will be exciting based on their layout (ignoring surrounding shrubbery). Spa should be a sweet, mini 'ring.
 
I never said we were owed anything by PD. I never complained about paying for prologue. YOU said PD gave us a lot more than other developers, I was simply saying they haven't given us anything special that any other games developer wouldn't or hasn't given. I never complained about anything, I'm not sure where you got that idea from.

Yet again you took my post wrong. I wasnt trying to say you think PD owes us anything. That was aimed at those who do think so.
 
Nurburgring - most popular GT track.

Indy circuit is a bit dull but the authenticity and pleasure of driving a real circuit outweighs the clinical nature of it's reproduction. I think the mixture in GT5 will be just fine. I recall original GT circuits being fairly dull. The improvement made to High Speed Ring from older GTs to GT5:P is fantastic. Hopefully the choice of real life circuits will be exciting based on their layout (ignoring surrounding shrubbery). Spa should be a sweet, mini 'ring.

+1 on high speed ring. I really like what they did with it.
Since the demo, I've really begun to enjoy Indy for the great track design and pure fun of driving it. Even if the real tracks arent that beautiful, I'l probably end up driving them alot more when GT5 is released.
(but I still cant wait to see trial mountain. = )
 
i think the graphics of what weve seen of gran turismo 5 so far are amazing, the detailing in the cars...if we look from the screanshots, the gameplay videos, gran turismo 5 prolouge and academy demo, the graphics are stunning. no other racing game look as good as gran turismo 5 prolouge still. no game has this amount of detailing in vehicles yet. you can take some of the video replays of gran turismo 5 prolouge to someone who does not play video games, and they will almost think its real.

but the problem with the graphics is this. most of the focus is on the car body, and they have done an amazing job, almost flawless. if you look at games like gtr and rfactor, gran turismo is years ahead in the graphics department. however most people will play in either of the 2 views, the one where you just see the road and imaginery speed dials, or the in car view. both do not feature the exterior of the car, which leaves the graphical emphasis on the surroundings, such as the road and the grass and the trees. trees are lacking so far in gran turismo, and road is very limited. sky is photo realistic, so yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjZ_46Hiurs&feature=related

but having said that, gt5 still looks amazing. the city tracks have som amazing detail, but real racers prefer racing tracks.
 
I went for a spin on Suzuka in GT5P and noticed the grass has stalks and leaves, whereas GT5:TT doesn't. The track on Suzuka also has a layer of reflective sheen which GT5:TT doesn't.

These extra details are graphical elements which take up extra file space. I would say the TT's lower graphics is simply to decrease the download file size, while at the same time not taking away any of the actually playability of the car and track for the purposes of finding a prospective driver through the means of time trialling.
 
I don't thing that the lower graphics of the track and surronding in GT5 TT has nothing with the size of the demo, i don't think they will make it look worse just to gain 200~300MB of space, i really don't care of waiting a little more, and belive me, my internet connection is terrible, only 200kps.
But you point something that i didn't notice, the reflect on the track, in GT5P and GT4 there was a reflect, but in the demo, i don't see it. I know that i was missing something but i couldn't point what it was... thanks for the help ! ;]
 
The only game I can think of that is comparable with the demo when it comes to graphics is iRacing, so I can't see why some fellas are complaining.
 
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