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GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .


Spoiler: It ends with the two candidates he was supporting losing their respective Senate races. It's not known to what degree the ad his dumb ass made helped or hurt their campaigns.

That ad:
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Fox News is lucky to average one percent of the 258m viewers that Copium-land claims watch it. Meanwhile 438 million people watch BBC News.

If I were to tell him that, though, he'd probably try to eat my flesh for nutrients.

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I mean, if you count all the bored people hanging around in lobbies and waiting rooms where Fox News is invariably blurting out from the TV located there, along with all the reception staff who probably can't change the channel and are forced to be in proximity to it... I guess it could be an accurate figure.
 
I mean, if you count all the bored people hanging around in lobbies and waiting rooms where Fox News is invariably blurting out from the TV located there, along with all the reception staff who probably can't change the channel and are forced to be in proximity to it... I guess it could be an accurate figure.
You forgot any animals, insects, microorganisms or passing aliens within earshot.

Don't they have a big contract with the US military? Not sure if they're the only network that does but I guess you can only watch one channel at a time in a crowded barracks or naval vessel dining facility. No wonder that Copeland guy is so wound up all the time. He must be missing his fix, er Fox.

He sure talks scary, though. Sounds like they should call his uncle Kenneth the televangelist to perform a rapid exorcism if Landon doesn't eat him first. Perhaps he's angling for an insanity verdict.
 
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This was a good read.
The January 6 Capitol riot—depicted increasingly on the right as a peaceful tourist visit, an FBI plot or an Antifa agitation effort—is the latest incarnation of comedian Richard Pryor's story (as he channeled Chico Marx) about what he said after his wife caught him in bed with another woman. "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

We all saw what happened on the TV news and in livestreaming videos from participants and bystanders. We can read the transcript of the former president's stem-winding speech to his supporters before many of them marched on the Capitol, where he whipped up the crowd by touting absurd conspiracy theories about a stolen election.

The numbskulls who stormed the Capitol, some of whom are facing modest prison sentences for their role in the clownish putsch, didn't show up by happenstance. "All of them—all of them were telling us, 'Trump sent us,'" according to recent testimony at a U.S. House of Representatives hearing by a U.S. Capitol police officer who fought back the insurgents.

Not every participant in the day's sordid events engaged in violence or vandalism, of course, and whatever punishments the courts mete out should fit the particular crime. But this was no tourist visit gone awry. Not every person who joined in left-wing attacks in Portland committed crimes, either, but I don't suppose Trump supporters would cut those folks slack.

The Trumpsters' silliest argument is that Antifa, the fascistic "anti-fascists" who turned portions of U.S. cities into rubble, were behind the Capitol event. Conservatives touted that narrative immediately after January 6. Apparently, that loose-knit movement runs so meticulously that it recruited thousands of volunteers who acted exactly like Trump supporters.

Why believe your own eyes? Sure, a few lefties might have infiltrated the pro-Trump mob. That doesn't make it an Antifa riot. The Portland scene wasn't a right-wing event because a few right-wing infiltrators may have joined in the action. I've attended many protests and guarantee that they attract all sorts of nut jobs. It's not hard for anyone to gain admission.

Despite GOP efforts to rewrite history, my eyes confirm the conclusion drawn by conservative writer David Frum: "The January 6 attack was incited by the head of the American government, the man who had sworn to protect and defend that government. It was the thing most feared by the authors of the U.S. Constitution: a betrayal of the highest office by the holder of that office."

Here's the problem. It portends dangers for the future if so many conservatives refuse to cop to the obvious truths of that day. If we can't all agree on basic, obvious facts about an event that unfolded before our eyes, then we're headed toward a well-trod path of internecine struggles where we just pick a side and fight to the bitter end.

In such situations, there's no room for common ground. For instance, Trump supporters have suddenly expressed concern about jail conditions and police shootings. A January 6 detainee "corroborates accounts from other detainees, including reports of abuse by prison guards, inedible food, and zero access to the outdoors, religious services, or physical activity," according to American Greatness.

As someone who has championed criminal-justice reform, I gladly welcome converts to the cause—except that it's hard to believe that the conservative law-and-order crowd really cares about this issue in any substantive way. It's more likely that they're concerned about it simply because people they sympathize with are suffering the indignities.

My problem isn't with Trump and Republican policies per se, although I'm dismayed by the conservative movement's populist rejection of free markets, free trade, budget restraint and limited government. Nevertheless, the former president's judicial picks, tax policies and regulatory rollbacks resonate with me far more than Democratic priorities.

My problem is with the political right's movement toward, well, authoritarianism, exemplified by its refusal to embrace facts that don't conform to their alternative reality—and their unwavering support for a man rather than a set of ideas. It's ironic that the man they've chosen to follow seems to embody moral characteristics they've long railed against, but go figure.

Even GOP leaders who know better and occasionally speak out against Trump's disinformation—House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.)—always end up toeing the party line. They dare not defy Trump or his base voters.

Before you pen that letter to the editor decrying my use of the A-word, consider the following. Prominent Trump supporters have actively been toying with the idea of an American Caesar. Others have been oddly sympathetic toward foreign strongmen.

Fox News TV host Tucker Carlson recently broadcast from Hungary, where he met with Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, which reminded me of leftists who swooned over Fidel Castro. But don't believe what you see. Just believe what you choose.
The author addressed something that I want to address further:

"Not every participant in the day's sordid events engaged in violence or vandalism, of course, and whatever punishments the courts mete out should fit the particular crime."

Not only should punishments fit the crime, with those who merely took advantage of access to the inside of the Capitol, who engaged in no violence, vandalism or acts of intimidation against the few there to rein in the situation getting the lightest of all punishments, it needs to be said that there were plenty who did no more than exercise their constitutionally-protected right to protest up to the point that a curfew was implemented, and no matter how misguided they were in exercising that right, any attempt by government to hold them accountable would be unconstitutional.
 
The host of a program for the right-wing website Infowars, Owen Shroyer, has been charged in connection to the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, according to court documents filed Friday.

Shroyer, who hosts “The War Room With Owen Shroyer” for the website operated by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, said on air Friday that his lawyer informed him there’s a warrant out for his arrest and that he will have to turn himself into authorities Monday morning.

“There’s a lot of questions, some I have answers to, some I don’t. ... I plan on declaring innocence of these charges because I am,” Shroyer said in a video posted on the Infowars website.

He faces misdemeanor charges such as disorderly conduct and entering a restricted area of Capitol grounds. No lawyer was listed for him in federal court records.

Authorities say video shows Shroyer marching to the Capitol from the Ellipse shortly before the building was breached, telling the crowd “today we march for the Capitol because on this historic January 6, 2021, we have to let our Congressmen and women know, and we have to let Mike Pence know, they stole the election, we know they stole it, and we aren’t going to accept it!”

Shroyer was seen on the west side of the Capitol next to the inauguration stage as well as at the top of the stairs on the east side of the Capitol, authorities said in the documents.

Authorities say Shroyer was vocal in advance of Jan. 6 about stopping the certification of the Electoral College vote. The day before the riot, he spoke at Freedom Plaza, declaring: “Americans are ready to fight. We’re not exactly sure what that’s going to look like perhaps in a couple of weeks if we can’t stop this certification of the fraudulent election ... we are the new revolution! We are going to restore and we are going to save the republic!” according to the court papers.

Shroyer was arrested in December 2019 for shouting during a House Judiciary Committee impeachment hearing. He received a deferred prosecution agreement in that case, in which he agreed to do community service and follow certain conditions, like not engaging in disorderly or disruptive conduct on Capitol grounds, according to court documents.

He hadn’t completed any of the required community service hours as of Jan. 6, so that agreement was still in effect, authorities said.

Shroyer is the second person who works for Infowars to face federal charges stemming from Jan. 6.

Samuel Montoya, an Infowars video editor, was arrested in April on charges including impeding passage through the Capitol grounds. Montoya spoke on an Infowars show about witnessing a police officer shoot and kill a woman inside the Capitol.

Nearly 600 people have been charged with federal crimes in the deadly riot that interrupted the certification of President Joe Biden’s victory, and nearly 40 people have pleaded guilty.

Dozens of people — including a former Tennessee sheriff’s deputy arrested this week — have been charged with assaulting law enforcement officers who were trying to protect the Capitol.

Video shows Ronald Colton McAbee, who left the Williamson County Sheriff’s Office in March, wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat and a black tactical vest with the word “sheriff” on it as he brawled with officers at a Capitol archway, authorities said in court documents. Authorities said he was also wearing an insignia linked to the Three Percenters antigovernment extremist movement.

McAbee, wearing metal-knuckled gloves and armed with a baton or stick, tried to drag an officer who had been thrown to the ground toward the mob, according to court documents. When another officer tried to come to the aid of his colleague, McAbee swung at him before turning back to the other officer, pulling him out of the archway and pinning him down.

McAbee’s lawyer declined Friday to comment.
 
2nd time in the past couple days Tucker has tried to act like his fellow Republican figure-heads are being arrested as some sort of government overreach, as if they hadn't actually committed a real crime.

He had on a woman from Australia who writes for a magazine (I guess the equivalent of the NYPost/Daily Mail) who said Anton Lazzaro had proof Ilhan Omar married her brother. However, he was then arrested by the FBI & they said there was a statute of limitations on the alleged crime, and he was being held for... some other charges. C'mon Tuck, what were those other charges?
 
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2nd time in the past couple days Tucker has tried to act like his fellow Republican figure-heads are being arrested as some sort of government overreach, as if they hadn't actually committed a real crime.

He had on a woman from Australia who writes for a magazine (I guess the equivalent of the NYPost/Daily Mail) who said Anton Lazzaro had proof Ilhan Omar married her brother. However, he was then arrested by the FBI & they said there was a statute of limitations on the alleged crime, and he was being held for... some other charges. C'mon Tuck, what were those other charges?
I can tell you from personal experience with GA police, probably some BS(cough tag lite out that wasn't out from his own dash cam that I had to pay$75 for the video and$2K for a lawyer, $6K bond, for a warrant from '03 that got dismissed 15 minutes before court)!
 
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I can tell you from personal experience with GA police, probably some BS(cough tag lite out that wasn't out from his own dash cam that I had to pay$75 for the video and$2K for a lawyer, $6K bond, for a warrant from '03 that got dismissed 15 minutes before court)!
It sounds like you have a stake in policing and criminal justice reform. Your presence in the club would be welcomed.
 
I can tell you from personal experience with GA police, probably some BS(cough tag lite out that wasn't out from his own dash cam that I had to pay$75 for the video and$2K for a lawyer, $6K bond, for a warrant from '03 that got dismissed 15 minutes before court)!
Are... are you insinuating Anton Lazzaro was just arrested for "probably some BS"?
 
He had on a woman from Australia who writes for a magazine (I guess the equivalent of the NYPost/Daily Mail)
Without even looking it up, I'm guessing. Miranda Devine? Yeah, the less said about her the better. She's an utterly terrible person.


If you guys want to keep her over there, feel free.
 
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Without even looking it up, I'm guessing. Miranda Devine? Yeah, the less said about her the better. She's an utterly terrible person.


If you guys want to keep her over there, feel free.
I went back and looked. That's exactly who it is.
 
Are... are you insinuating Anton Lazzaro was just arrested for "probably some BS"?
Yes. From your own post.
"However, he was then arrested by the FBI & they said there was a statute of limitations on the alleged crime". I don't know him or anything about the case. Hopefully he doesn't Epstein himself. You know how government likes to silence people. ;)
I'm genuinely as curious as y'all but when I see these kinda tactics...
I was held for 4 days with no idea of my charges till they came up with something from 17 years ago...I call that BS.
 
Yes. From your own post.
"However, he was then arrested by the FBI & they said there was a statute of limitations on the alleged crime". I don't know him or anything about the case. Hopefully he doesn't Epstein himself. You know how government likes to silence people. ;)
I'm genuinely as curious as y'all but when I see these kinda tactics...
I was held for 4 days with no idea of my charges till they came up with something from 17 years ago...I call that BS.
Let me run the play back.

Miranda Devine tried to claim that Anton Lazzaro was about to come forth with his evidence of Ilhan Omar when he was arrested by the FBI; she claimed Anton tried to present the evidence to the FBI but was told there was a statute of limitations on that crime & he would be held on some other charges. She was trying to push the notion that Anton had been arrested to "silence" him and they had just wrote up some other charges to hold him.

What she didn't reveal was that those other charges were Anton being arrested for child sex trafficking. Why? Because it completely destroys her narrative that Anton was arrested to silence him when in reality, he was arrested because he committed an actual crime.
 
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A U.S. judge on Wednesday sanctioned Sidney Powell and other lawyers who sued in Michigan to overturn Democratic President Joe Biden's election victory over Donald Trump, and suggested they might deserve to lose their law licenses.

In a highly anticipated written ruling, U.S. District Judge Linda Parker in Detroit said the pro-Trump lawyers, including Powell and prominent litigator Lin Wood, should have investigated the Republican former president's voter fraud claims more carefully before suing.

Parker formally requested that disciplinary bodies investigate whether the pro-Trump lawyers should have their law licenses revoked. The judge also ordered the lawyers to attend classes on the ethical and legal requirements for filing legal claims, and to reimburse election officials for expenses incurred defending the lawsuit.

"This lawsuit represents a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process," Parker said in her decision, adding that the case "was never about fraud - it was about undermining the People's faith in our democracy and debasing the judicial process to do so."

The judge said Powell, Wood, and other lawyers who worked with them "have scorned their oath, flouted the rules, and attempted to undermine the integrity of the judiciary along the way."

Powell and Wood did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Powell represented Trump's campaign when he tried to overturn last Nov. 3's presidential election in the courts. His campaign distanced itself from Powell after she claimed without evidence at a Nov. 19 news conference that electronic voting systems had switched millions of ballots to Biden.

Parker dismissed the Michigan lawsuit last December, saying in a written decision that Powell's voter fraud claims were "nothing but speculation and conjecture" and that, in any event, the Texas lawyer waited too long to file her lawsuit.

Powell asserted in a court hearing last month that she had carefully vetted her election fraud claims before suing, and that the only way to test them would have been at trial or a hearing on evidence they have gathered. Her co-counsel repeatedly called for such an evidentiary hearing.

Starting in January, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and other government lawyers asked the judge to discipline the pro-Trump lawyers, saying they had filed a frivolous lawsuit full of typos and factual errors and should be held accountable.
 
Honestly, it’s way too late now. Day by day, we’re inching closer and closer to an autocratic country where the GOP will rule and/or to a second civil war. Unless someone opens the “Ark of Truth” (sorry for the SG-1 reference), things just getting worse. The GOP base is so engrossed in their alternative reality that they can’t even realize the they want something the USA was built up against…
 
January 6 Committee "requests" phone records of Trump and entire First Family in the weeks leading up to January 6, as well as White House call records for the day of.

Trump rages out a foot-stamping statement that says their records are protected by executive privilege - which they are not (executive privilege does not cover the commission of crimes) and which he doesn't have because, other than inside his very roomy skull, he isn't President.

 
Is executive privilege regarding matters and events that transpired while an individual occupied office revoked once said individual no longer occupies office? It's basically moot because of alleged criminal activity, I know, but I would imagine executive privilege still applies barring such exceptions.
 
January 6 Committee "requests" phone records of Trump and entire First Family in the weeks leading up to January 6, as well as White House call records for the day of.

Trump rages out a foot-stamping statement that says their records are protected by executive privilege - which they are not (executive privilege does not cover the commission of crimes) and which he doesn't have because, other than inside his very roomy skull, he isn't President.

Hate to play the other side, but is there an argument that executive privilege could apply because he was President at the time of the calls? (This of course, suspending your first main point for a moment.)
 
Hate to play the other side, but is there an argument that executive privilege could apply because he was President at the time of the calls? (This of course, suspending your first main point for a moment.)
Wouldn't that be negated because of the insurrection claim?
 
Gosh, it's a wonder this guy would be one of the two people--out of the five that Joseph...dammit...Kevin McCarthy picked--that Nancy Pelosi rejected for the January 6th Select Committee. He seems like a peach.



For those who are interested but may not be following closely, this is the other guy:



Smooth.

He sounds like...oh, I don't know...an assistant college wrestling coach that knows the team physician is sexually abusing the young men in his charge but wants to protect his colleague.

If it wasn't a matter of concern, they wouldn't be resisting so much. These ****ers don't want the public to know why events unfolded as they did.
 
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These ****ers don't want the public to know why events unfolded as they did.
They're hiding everything. The history books have been written, the investigations have been completed, the records have been unsealed time and time again. We already know what it looks like when people are hiding a conspiracy. This is what it looks like.
 
They're hiding everything. The history books have been written, the investigations have been completed, the records have been unsealed time and time again. We already know what it looks like when people are hiding a conspiracy. This is what it looks like.
I'm not at conspiracy yet. I believe conspiracy theories are how bored people pass the time. I do want to know who knew what and when they knew it, who they talked to about it and what they said. (I want to know these exact same things regarding decisions made about Afghanistan withdrawal policy as well, which I really shouldn't have to make clear but there are people here who would love nothing more than to allege hypocrisy because their worldview is absolutely ****ed and these sorts of allegations are all they have.)

Honestly, conspiracy isn't necessary for impropriety. I think people in power naturally work to the same goal, particularly when that goal is to remain in power and bend to the wills of those whom they see as key to remaining in power, without ever working directly with others who have that same goal. Alleging conspiracy is easy (and no doubt satisfying), but that evidence of conspiracies in other matters exists isn't at all an indication that it does in this one.
 
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