The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Scaff]

Take it to the right thread people.

 

[Exorcet]

Right, but why the need to call it marriage? The entire point is that this is not normal, calling it marriage would legitimize it.

What is not normal? Before you brought up "nature". Homosexuality happens in nature, so if normal is natural then yes homosexuality is normal.

 

[Famine]

You forgot to mention the latter half of what I stated: "An agnostic approach is the best for this debate, that's being neutral."

There was no forgetfulness. The fact you demand proof for non-existence of something renders anything else moot.

Right, but why the need to call it marriage?

Probably because it IS one.

The entire point is that this is not normal, calling it marriage would legitimize it.

It IS normal and doesn't need legitimising...

 

[Agent_47]

What is not normal? Before you brought up "nature". Homosexuality happens in nature, so if normal is natural then yes homosexuality is normal.

But we're not animals, we're human beings. There is a difference.

 

[Rallywagon]

Same can be said about your stance.

Wait. My stance? That makes no sense man. My stance is that being gay is as fine as being a man, or a woman, or Asian, or Canadian. How does this equate to your stance, that "Jesus is proof of a god, and good hates fags and therefore I must too." My stance is on real, tangible things. Like love and respect and well being of others. You stance is that your god is a bigot, so you should be too.

 

[Famine]

But we're not animals, we're human beings. There is a difference.

Human beings are animals. We're hominids, great apes, primates, mammals and chordates, in ascending order of grouping.

 

[Jet Badger]

But we're not animals, we're human beings. There is a difference.

Guess what, homosexuality happens among humans too. Crazy, right.

 

[Agent_47]

Human beings are animals. We're hominids, great apes, primates, mammals and chordates, in ascending order of grouping.

speak for yourself. i'm a regular human being.

 

[Encyclopedia]

speak for yourself. i'm a regular human being.

Yes you are. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[Jet Badger]

you might be, i'm not an animal.

You're either a bacteria or a plant then.

 

[Rallywagon]

But we're not animals, we're human beings. There is a difference.

Hahahaha!! Weren't you the one arguing that you don't see homosexuality in nature? So it fit your side of the debate until you are proven wrong, then bust out with "we aren't animals!" Hahaha. Go Google fallacies, see which one this fits under. Get real man. We all come from the same tree. Just because our branch seems smarter, we are animals. Animals of the mammal group. I have a notion that some of the other branches, they probably contain smarter examples then what I see with some of the posts going on in here.

 

[Agent_47]

Hahahaha!! Weren't you the one arguing that you don't see homosexuality in nature?

Nope.

 

[Exorcet]

But we're not animals, we're human beings. There is a difference.

But, if normal is nature that does not matter.

Even if we ignore that all humans are animals, and that is a fact, yo'r normal = nature argument says that homosexuality is normal.

So, does nature equate to normal or not?

Incidentally killing and stealing are natural as well.

 

[Famine]

speak for yourself. i'm a regular human being.

Yep. A member of Homo sapiens, a species of hominid in the great apes family of primate mammals. Same as the rest of us.

 

[JulesJackson]

What has marriage got to do with religion?



Why not. Why is racial equality more important than sexual equality?

So pedophiles by your statement are deserving of equality Dan? Racism is far more serious. Rosa Parks is a hero she fought for people of colored to be recognized as equals not Michael Sam striking a deal with Oprah for a TV show using the gay card. What more can the LBGT want? Marriage is strictly based on religion. There's courts the LBGT can get their civil unions there. Civil unions have the same process a Marriages for divorce so why are they pushing for it when marriage wants no part of the LBGT agenda.

 

[Danoff]

Right, but why the need to call it marriage?

I give you the perfect marriage of meat and sauce:

This is a wonderful marriage of car and driver:

A marriage of force and grace:

A marriage of idiot and pavement:

A marriage of insanity and ingenuity

 

[JulesJackson]

He was called Steve originally. Changed it to Jesus to sound more ethnic. Bloody hipster.

Hipsters give me the jitters.

Yep. A member of Homo sapiens, a species of hominid in the great apes family of primate mammals. Same as the rest of us.

Can gay' humans reproduce? That alone shows there's an issue

 

[Famine]

So pedophiles by your statement are deserving of equality Dan?

Why on Earth do you keep drawing a line from two (or more) consenting adults having sex to adults having sex with children?

Why are they connected to you?

Can gay' humans reproduce? That alone shows there's an issue

Can infertile humans reproduce? Can post-menopausal humans reproduce?

The answer to all three is (usually) yes they can - and while it shows an issue, it doesn't show the issue you intend.

Oh look, you missed the edit button again.

 

[Exorcet]

Can gay' humans reproduce? That alone shows there's an issue

What is the issue? We have enough people reproducing. People's goal in life should not be to make as many people as possible. I know for sure that isn't my goal in life.

So pedophiles by your statement are deserving of equality Dan? Racism is far more serious. Rosa Parks is a hero she fought for people of colored to be recognized as equals not Michael Sam striking a deal with Oprah for a TV show using the gay card. What more can the LBGT want? Marriage is strictly based on religion. There's courts the LBGT can get their civil unions there. Civil unions have the same process a Marriages for divorce so why are they pushing for it when marriage wants no part of the LBGT agenda.

No racism is not more serious.

"You black?"

"Yes"

*gun fire*

"You gay?"

"Yes"

*gun fire*

And don't deny that the second issue does happen. You've got people in here saying that gay marriage is not legitimate and they wonder where the second thing comes from.

 

[Danny]

Can gay' humans reproduce? That alone shows there's an issue

Infertile couples, people who chose not to have children etc etc.

This is cyclical.

 

[Danoff]

Can gay' humans reproduce? That alone shows there's an issue

I'm in a heterosexual atheist marriage that is incapable of reproduction. What's your point exactly?

 

[CodeRedR51]

What is the issue? We have enough people reproducing. People's goal in life should not be to make as many people as possible. I know for sure that isn't my goal in life.

Ditto. All those "must have 12 kids" people are doing it for me.

 

[JulesJackson]

What is the issue? We have enough people reproducing. People's goal in life should not be to make as many people as possible. I know for sure that isn't my goal in life.


No racism is not more serious.

"You black?"

"Yes"

*gun fire*

"You gay?"

"Yes"

*gun fire*

And don't deny that the second issue does happen. You've got people in here saying that gay marriage is not legitimate and they wonder where the second thing comes from.

America's promiscuity will be it's downfall.

 

[TheCracker]

So pedophiles by your statement are deserving of equality Dan? Racism is far more serious.

No. Because pedophilia is illegal, like, everywhere. For a reason. That reason being that it is technically rape.

Marriage is strictly based on religion. There's courts the LBGT can get their civil unions there. Civil unions have the same process a Marriages for divorce so why are they pushing for it when marriage wants no part of the LBGT agenda.

My marriage has absolutely nothing to do with religion at all.

 

[Danoff]

America's promiscuity will be it's downfall.

Actually, as it turns out, not getting enough action often leads young men to rampant violence. The US has been reminded quite dramatically of that, but it's also true in polygamist areas of the world - especially the middle east.

 

[Jet Badger]

America's promiscuity will be it's downfall.

Wasn't that the same thing people used to say when someone suggested to treat other races as equal?

 

[Bo]

So pedophiles by your statement are deserving of equality Dan? Racism is far more serious. Rosa Parks is a hero she fought for people of colored to be recognized as equals not Michael Sam striking a deal with Oprah for a TV show using the gay card. What more can the LBGT want? Marriage is strictly based on religion. There's courts the LBGT can get their civil unions there. Civil unions have the same process a Marriages for divorce so why are they pushing for it when marriage wants no part of the LBGT agenda.

LGBT want to be considered as normal people, and have the right not to get abused, attacked and outcast because of their choice. They want to exist as human beings.

By your standards, won't all black people be using a "black card" when they receive fair and equal treatment? Your use of double standards is appalling.

 

[Danoff]

The gay marriage debate is kindof a strange one because it has such an easy solution - rename all legal marriages "civil unions". Heterosexual, homosexual, doesn't matter - it's a civil union, a legally binding contract recognized by the government. "Marriage" or whatever other term they prefer can continue to be used by churches to describe religious or spiritual unions. I have no problem with the legal term being something other than marriage, call it a D4777-L if you want, doesn't matter to me, but it should be the same for anyone entering into that contract.

To be clear, a religious person would have both a civil union (government term) and a marriage (church speak), or a "god union", or a "Jesus match" or a "holy merger".

 

[Joel]

America's promiscuity will be it's downfall.

I know what you mean. They legalized gay marriage here 10 years ago, and since then it's just been a complete destruction of morals and senseless violence. First it was the gays, then the paedophiles, then the polygamists, what's next?

I mean, gay people get married here. Could you imagine?

 

[Liquid]

Sperm donation / surrogacy / IVF

Yes, homosexuals can reproduce. Deal with it.