The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%

  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%

  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%

  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%

  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%
  • Total voters
    1,476
SniperRed3
Homosexuals are not interested in making other people homosexuals however homophobes are interested in making other people homophobic.
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Perhaps because it's not possible to make heterosexual people into homosexuals or vice versa. Gay people should be some of the most aware that they have no choice over their sexuality - most of them have tried at some point in time to pretend that they weren't gay.
 
Danny
No, that's wrong. It's part of the gay agenda.
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SniperRed3
Please explain? Because from my point of view the homophobes shout louder then try and explain them selves with a book which may or may not be 2000 years old and is manipulated in such a way to justify beliefs each "interpretation" contradicts one another.
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SniperRed3
No wonder when there are people out there getting murdered and beaten for their sexuality
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For sure. That's a big part of it, but also, kids are particularly brutal when it comes to people who are "different". It's totally natural and human to refuse to accept the fact that you are. This is why so many gay people go through what almost looks like the stages of grief as they realize that they are in fact different:

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Denial sometimes involves getting married and having children. For gay people there's a whole round that happens after acceptance which is "coming out of the closet" and finding out which of your friends and relatives are capable of handling your sexual orientation. For some of them, it'll be their turn to go through all of those phases.

I have to wonder just a bit what it's like for a pedophile actually. If you're attracted to kids, honestly, I'm not sure you can help that or that it's ever going to change. That doesn't mean that you can act on it, of course, but how horrible would it be to find out that it's wrong to act on your own sexuality? I suppose that would be like being Christian... in more ways that one.
 
Danny
So anyway over the last couple of months the LGBT community has become fractured, with T accusing LGB of biggotry particularly over the word 'tranny'. Anyway it's this whole big mess and support for the side of T has come from an unlikely source.
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Since when has 'tranny' referred to transexual? I always thought it was used as a shortened (and offensive due to negative connotations) version of 'transvestite' which, on it's own, has nothing at all to do with sex (although it often can be a sexual thing)

Admittedly I haven't followed the original discussion so that could be the entire reason there has been a 'fracture'.
 
As a 15 year old male living in the uk, A fair few of my mates are gay and my age and the only people they get insults from is older males. Ill be walking round in a group with say maybe two lads holding hands we'll get a bit of 🤬 off of a few older men. likening homosexuals to paedophiles is disgusting there is no harm in a man loving a man or a woman loving a woman.
 
SniperRed3
likening homosexuals to paedophiles is disgusting there is no harm in a man loving a man or a woman loving a woman.
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I don't know if this was directed at me or not, but I'll respond anyway. Every single human being can be likened to a pedophile in many respects. Most human beings have lungs, eyes, teeth, bones, a nervous system, skin. Our DNA is of a consistent species. Another similarity is that none of us have significant control over our sexual orientation. Homosexuals often go through a period where they try to "fit in", because they don't want to be different. Many pedophiles also likely wish that they could be "normal". The same is probably true of a psychopath.

As a heterosexual, I don't know what it's like to wish that I were of a different sexual orientation. But I do know how powerless I am to control it, and it would be awful to suppress for fear of persecution. It would be even more awful to suppress a desire to do harm (such as pedophilia).
 
@Danoff Well, this leads us to the difference between a philia and an orientation. Are paedophiles really paedosexuals, in your opinion then?
 
Would philia not make more sense as a suffix to denote a sexual attraction to something that the person with it is not?

Heterosexuals tend to like other heterosexuals. Homosexuals likewise with other homosexuals.

If I have mechaphilia, I'm probably not a machine myself. An animal that mates is not really considered to be a zoophile. And paedophiles tend not to be children themselves unless it's like some consensual underage case-thing, where the waters get blurry.

Just a thought.
 
Danny
Would philia not make more sense as a suffix to denote a sexual attraction to something that the person with it is not?
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That's pretty much what a paraphilia is; a sexual attraction to atypical things. In this sense a paedophile being called a paedophile is dependent on, and because of, a definition of an attraction to children being atypical.

Arguably, in the past being attracted to the same sex was considered atypical but nobody ever got around to using the term homophile. And as you said, homosexuals are attracted to other homosexuals.

But we are getting waaay off topic for a thread exclusively about homosexuality.
 
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Surely homosexuals are just attracted to other members of the same sex? - whether they're straight or homosexual themselves is largely irrelevant.

They may tend to have relationships with other homosexuals or be more drawn to other homosexuals, but the actual attraction has to be regardless of sexuality.
 
Liquid
... nobody ever got around to using the term homophile. And as you said, homosexuals are attracted to other homosexuals.
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In Dutch we actually use the term homophile (homofiel) to denote the attraction to persons of the same sex. Also, as a homosexual I can still be attracted to heterosexuals.
 
@Danny @Liquid @TheCracker @Denur

OMG it's the gay marriage debate all over again! I say we just call heterosexuals heterophiles and be done with it. The "phile" suffix seems to be associated with how frequent it appears in the population and not much else so...

Liquid
@Danoff Well, this leads us to the difference between a philia and an orientation. Are paedophiles really paedosexuals, in your opinion then?
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There's not really much difference between calling them pedophiles or pedosexuals. The only distinction between those terms that I have found is the frequency of the occurrence.
 
TheCracker
Surely homosexuals are just attracted to other members of the same sex?
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In normal definition, yes. Otherwise they would be bi- or hetero-sexual.

@Denur, "phile" is accepted in English too (xenophile, paedophile, bibliophile) but it means to like (once literally "to stand with", from ze Saxons). A Homophile would be a man who just thought other blokes were alright. One who thought they weren't would actually be a homophobe when they should arguably be a homosexuophobe. Ah.

The sexuo suffix is there to show that we actually mean, y'know, right? A nudge is as good as wink, eh?
 
TenEightyOne
In normal definition, yes. Otherwise they would be bi- or hetero-sexual.

@Denur, "phile" is accepted in English too (xenophile, paedophile, bibliophile) but it means to like (once literally "to stand with", from ze Saxons). A Homophile would be a man who just thought other blokes were alright. One who thought they weren't would actually be a homophobe when they should arguably be a homosexuophobe. Ah.
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Ah, like Audiophile. Somehow I had never linked Audiophile and Pedophile before!

I suppose Pedophilia can be either heterosexual or homosexual, and so it doesn't actually constitute an "orientation". I suppose if you were a necrophile you still prefer men or women. Yet, I still suspect that there is very little that one can do about being attracted to corpses, or animals, or children.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-anti-gay-segregation-bill-is-an-abomination-2014-2

Came across this a little while ago, and just remembered to bring it into this conversation. While, yes, most of the country is becoming more accepting of homosexuals, and the majority of the U.S. population is in favor of gay marriage, there are still states like Kansas that want to keep moving backwards. Not to mention how in over half of the country it's still completely legal to fire someone for his or her sexual orientation, in Kansas people may be able to soon outright refuse service to gay couples, and government employees would be allowed to do so as well, if religiously they are against homosexuality. Yes, any business should have the right to refuse service to anyone, but I think it's a bit absurd to refuse service for no other reason than that the customer is gay.

My favorite part of this article, "Supporting the bill on the House floor, Republican state Rep. Charles Macheers proclaimed that 'discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful. … It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill.'"

The anti-gay activist believes anti-gay activists are being discriminated against for government not being allowed to refuse service to gay couples, but doesn't believe it's discriminatory for government to refuse service to gay couples...
 
Danoff
I suppose Pedophilia can be either heterosexual or homosexual, and so it doesn't actually constitute an "orientation". I suppose if you were a necrophile you still prefer men or women....
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I suppose that's true; if one were to consider that sexuo clarification was required for homosexuals over homophiles then we should in fact refer to paedosexuals rather then paedophiles. After years of teaching I'm a paedophobe anyway :D
 
SniperRed3
Dan what is your problem with homosexuals? Tell us we will try to help you with your fear.
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He doesn't have one. I'm not sure you've been reading his posts properly.
VindictiveScrub
How so? It's illegal to fire someone for religious beliefs, so why should it be fine to fire someone for sexual orientation?
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Probably because it shouldn't be illegal to fire someone for their religious beliefs.

Or gender. Or skin colour. Or any reason you, as an employer, feel like picking.
 
Famine
Probably because it shouldn't be illegal to fire someone for their religious beliefs.

Or gender. Or skin colour. Or any reason you, as an employer, feel like picking.
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Exactly, so why should an employer be allowed to discriminate towards sexual orientation is what I'm asking. I'm not trying to be standoffish or priggish, just legitimately curious as to what he meant by his statement.
 
VindictiveScrub
Exactly, so why should an employer be allowed to discriminate towards sexual orientation is what I'm asking.
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I think you misunderstood what I said.
Famine
Probably because it shouldn't be illegal to fire someone for their religious beliefs.
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It should be legal to fire (or hire) someone for any reason you choose, including religion, gender, race, sexuality, height, weight, hair colour, beardedness, dress sense... anything.
 
discrimination in the workplace is illegal in the uk and america land of the free it's legal to fire someone based on their sexuality in 29 states
 
VindictiveScrub
Exactly, so why should an employer be allowed to discriminate towards sexual orientation is what I'm asking. I'm not trying to be standoffish or priggish, just legitimately curious as to what he meant by his statement.
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Because it's their company, their money, their property, their business*. Same reason they should be able to fire someone for being the wrong gender, race, religion, or competency level.


* "business" here is meant differently than "company" earlier
 

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