The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[BHRxRacer]

Back after a few scorching hot, busy days. Did you miss me?


@LMSCorvetteGT2 go ahead

Actually I'm fond of accuracy in most parts of my life. Weird logical fallacy aside, I still don't really know why being beaten up by a Chinese man is relevant.

You'd let the guy die while you're nitpicking his word because they were in accurate.

Uhhh-huh.

So when you make the point that 0% of girls on the planet go through puberty before 9 because none of the 100 girls you asked told you that they had and I mention that this isn't a statistically significant sample size (I didn't even mention the facts that you're using poor scientific method [your study isn't even blind, never mind double-blind] and you're recording heresay rather than objective fact)... I'm not arguing the point?

Cool.

Good job missing the point once again.

I don't care about any of those things apart from the accuracy - who you are matters so much less than what you say. I guess you don't care about the accuracy either, which explains why you're having a lot of trouble.

you sound like a kid that just finished a math class and thinks he's a genius because he can multiply. Did anyone tell you that before? I'm not even trying to insult you. I'm serious.

It's actually quite difficult to do, but readily available statistics in the US put the age at first menstruation at nearly 1 in 2 before they are 11 (with a median age at 12.4 - it seems that latecomers are rarer and much, much later). It's a higher rate at a younger age in particularly black populations in developed western countries and it seems to be a lower rate at an older age in Asian ones.

If it's so difficult why have you been making such claims? Was the American research's sample size big enough for the whole world?

Explain how. Best you've managed so far is "innocence". Kids don't function that way - if you tell them that the penis goes in the vagina to make babies, they laugh about it. They don't instantly try to find something to screw.

Without going into details, because I owe it to the people involved, I'll just say that I've seen it happen in different families. They were even the kind of family that are "too" open about sex. Take from that what you want.

You can argue it's because it's a strict society, you can argue their parents taught them wrong, whatever it doesn't change anything. It happens. It's a risk. I'd rather not take it. Deal with it.

And you risk being so late that you've caused damage.

At the age of 9-10 for a girl, it's less of a risk to me than the aforementioned one.

It's non-zero. The same as it is in Britain.

Ha, it's actually less likely to happen in Bahrain than Britian. How many non-police were killed in Bahrain because of a terrorist bomb in the past? 0, as far as I can remember. How many American soldiers were killed here? 0.

They didn't treat you differently -

So being rude to a black guy because he might be a criminal isn't racist, it's just a precaution. Got it 👍

Actually it would. Racial profiling governs the profilers' behaviour too.Yes.

Please tell me how they'd stop the shrapnel from going through their ass, with a stare.

Let's be fair, it's racist to see someone of another race and think ill of them on that basis alone, but if you don't behave any differently towards them, how will anyone know? The key to racism isn't being thought police, but managing behaviour. A racist is a guy who treats people of different races differently - typically badly, but not always - because of their race.

And he hasn't treated me badly solely because of my race/beard? I wasn't trying to govern his thought. I think all kinds of **** about everybody I see. I don't treat them differently unless they've proven my initial thoughts, unlike them.

Apparently the N-word is only racist now if you're of a different race - which seems curiously racist, as it applies different standards to people of different races.

But let's look at it. If I call someone a nobhead, a numpty, a nincompoop or a nutsack it's pretty insulting. If I call them a "the N word" is it more insulting or is it just another insulting word? What if I'm also black? What if they aren't - what if I call a white guy "the N word"? What if a white guy calls a black guy a numpty just because he's black?

It seems like it's not the word that's racist, it's the guy using it - and he doesn't need to use that word or any other to be a racist. He's just unpleasant because he's insulting people.

I've been saying this since I was a kid. I hate censorship, and I think people getting offended over words is incredibly immature. Since you agree with me, and you happen to be an administrator, is it okay if I use the N word on here from now on?

but an awful lot of guys have been killed by an awful lot of "insurgents" that just so happen to match your ethnological background

Not here. Never.

(one assumes).

You don't have to assume, you can ask.

They're treating you with a little wariness that is also unpleasant, but it's not because you're of that background alone.

What other reasons are there?

In fact the reason they're there at all is to help the civilian population that are all of that background.

That's just outright hilarious. Do you know anything about Bahrain? Like, at all? US soldiers are NOT on active duty here. As soon as they leave their base, they're civillians. They're not here to help, they're here BEING helped. Way to be thankful for the hospitality.

The number of irony-filled posts in this forum is too damn high.

 

[TenEightyOne]

@BHRxRacer... back off for a moment, I'll try to explain something the way I see it...

You're making claims and saying certain things are true.

You don't get to decide how things are true, and nor do we. When you conduct or quote surveys there are certain rules or conventions that assure credibility. Good sources follow those rules or conventions.

Like it or not your figures don't stack, or they don't say what you think they say, or they're simply not credible because they have silly sample sizes, rely on second-hand evidence and so on.

Let's take the example of girls menstruating. For some girls the onset of menstruation is a rite of passage, as it were. For others it's something they struggle to come to terms with. Think "wet dreams" but messier, longer, and for girls.

Simply asking a cohort of girls without seeking evidence (which a medical professional would do) is not enough, there are reasons why the sample group might lie.

Straight away your survey figures don't work, and the sample's too small. Nobody's attacking you for that until you refuse to see that the figures just aren't useful or credible.

That's all

 

[BHRxRacer]

@BHRxRacer... back off for a moment, I'll try to explain something the way I see it...

You're making claims and saying certain things are true.

You don't get to decide how things are true, and nor do we. When you conduct or quote surveys there are certain rules or conventions that assure credibility. Good sources follow those rules or conventions.

Like it or not your figures don't stack, or they don't say what you think they say, or they're simply not credible because they have silly sample sizes, rely on second-hand evidence and so on.

Let's take the example of girls menstruating. For some girls the onset of menstruation is a rite of passage, as it were. For others it's something they struggle to come to terms with. Think "wet dreams" but messier, longer, and for girls.

Simply asking a cohort of girls without seeking evidence (which a medical professional would do) is not enough, there are reasons why the sample group might lie.

Straight away your survey figures don't work, and the sample's too small. Nobody's attacking you for that until you refuse to see that the figures just aren't useful or credible.

That's all

But I never said my little survey is the most credible source ever, or if it's "believe it or die" religion. It's my observation, and I tend to decide on things in life based on my observations until I see a proper study/statistic. I haven't yet, Famine's 1 in 6 is too ridiculous. So yeah, I'm going by my observation.

Believe me, I'd love to do nothing everyday but collect data and analyze them scientifically. Fund me.

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@Famine still hasn't answered me regarding insurgents in Bahrain. You giving up on that?

 

[TenEightyOne]

But I never said my little survey is the most credible source ever, or if it's "believe it or die" religion. It's my observation, and I tend to decide on things in life based on my observations until I see a proper study/statistic. So yeah, I'm going by my observation.

Believe me, I'd love to do nothing everyday but collect data and analyze them scientifically. Fund me.

Dude, we don't owe you your learning, you want it or you don't. Press Ctrl+T, then Alt+D, type GOOGLE and hit return. Do some learning, broaden your horizons a little, right now it's easy for people to laugh at your view and, in a few years, you'll probably understand why. It takes two minutes to find a read some sources.

Going by your own observations is faulty when the arts of actual observation and debate seemingly dance just beyond your hungry grasp like a couple of oiled, bearded, naked wrestlers manfully grappling.

Famine's 1 in 6 is too ridiculous.

Citation required. Start there, disprove his numbers with a credible source that you found yourself on the internet.

You won't argue @Famine down with bullpoop and you might actually get him to agree with you on something if you come back with a cogent, rational, provable argument.

 

[LeMansAid]

@BHRxRacer What's the current count?

That is, number of threads that you are busy stamping out fires in. I can't help feeling a bit sorry for you. You must be exhausted.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Citation required. Start there, disprove his numbers with a credible source that you found yourself on the internet.

I haven't found anything that I'd consider reasonable, to satisfy either my view or Famine's.

@BHRxRacer What's the current count?

That is, number of threads that you are busy stamping out fires in. I can't help feeling a bit sorry for you. You must be exhausted.

Thanks for your concern. I post on forums when I have free time with nothing else I feel like doing. Hence, my disappearance every now and then. Also, it's one of the reasons I never posted anything in the opinions/discussion forum before

@TenEightyOne just had to drag me here

edit

It's not all his fault. I wanted to understand how this little community thinks. I've had some thoughts, and I wanted to at least ask @Famine (since he's considered a god by a lot of you) via PM about certain things but he ignored. So it was a good little chance to get to measure your (the forum's) behavior through these discussions.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Clothed PDA is not as taboo as we make it out to be. Visit any park on a nice spring day and the couples will be out on a picnic blanket, and few of us would have a problem with that.

But when you are trying to throw a disc toward the basket it is very annoying to have your fairway gain a new moving hazard like that.

What we primarily get here is like that picture, hands in pants in a dining establishment. I once was waiting in line for a rollercoaster and this couple was next to me. The woman was wearing a bikini top and pants, and looked like she had been in the waterpark section not long before. The guy who was with her was standing behind her when he reaches around, gropes her breasts, and starts tweaking her nipples. It is rarely the young couple making goo goo eyes, feeding each other and kissing. They seem to go all or nothing. It skips over "I don't care who knows because we are in love" and straight to "In your face!"

It's the romantic equivalent of blowing smoke in a guy's face.

Now that is just ridiculous. I don't think there are many places outside of student hangouts where that rtof thing is tolerated.

 

[Famine]

@Famine still hasn't answered me regarding insurgents in Bahrain. You giving up on that?

I'm sorry, I was out of the house with my laughable atheist wife and family. Actually, I'm not sorry. Sorry*.

If you say the chance of being blown up by a suicide bomber or insurgent in Bahrain is zero because it's never happened, you don't know what probability is. We'll add that to the list of mathematical representations you've made erroneously, shall we?

You'd let the guy die while you're nitpicking his word because they were in accurate.

Would I? Thanks for letting me know.

you sound like a kid that just finished a math class and thinks he's a genius because he can multiply. Did anyone tell you that before? I'm not even trying to insult you. I'm serious.

No, since I finished my last math class in 1994. However, your repeated misuse of pretty basic mathematical concepts suggest you've never been in one, much less finished it.

If it's so difficult why have you been making such claims? Was the American research's sample size big enough for the whole world?

It was big enough for the USA.

The problem is that different nations collect data differently and some don't collect it at all. Some countries don't even class a girl's first period as a relevant thing, thanks to the complete contempt in which they hold women. Too busy cutting off their clitorises, I imagine.

The reliable way is to collect it through gynaecology records, but there's no standardised procedure - because there's no reason - for having girls visit their gynaecologist at their first period. We prepare our kids for their period and buy them sanitary products in the supermarket, they have their period and we get on with our lives without necessarily telling anyone.

However, they are advised to have a cervical smear test when they first become sexually active. That's largely the first point at which a medical professional will ask when they started menstruating - a situation in which they're far less likely to lie than having a male family member approaching them and asking if they've started their period yet...

Without going into details, because I owe it to the people involved, I'll just say that I've seen it happen in different families. They were even the kind of family that are "too" open about sex. Take from that what you want.

You can argue it's because it's a strict society, you can argue their parents taught them wrong, whatever it doesn't change anything. It happens. It's a risk. I'd rather not take it.

A family once told their kid about sex and the kid went and screwed everything that moved. Ohnoes!

I love how you think girls killing themselves because no-one told them about it isn't a risk, despite the fact that it too happens - and is a lot more of a threat to their future than safely enjoying some sex.

Boys kill themselves too, when they develop tender breast tissue. This is also completely normal, but many boys who no-one bothers to tell this too think they're becoming girls...

This actually happens. But I guess dead children is less of an issue than promiscuous ones... or... something.

So being rude to a black guy because he might be a criminal isn't racist, it's just a precaution. Got it 👍

Depends on the context.

Please tell me how they'd stop the shrapnel from going through their ass, with a stare.

By analysing your intent and holding tactical positions based on their analysis.

And he hasn't treated me badly solely because of my race/beard?

That last word literally destroys everything before it

I've been saying this since I was a kid. I hate censorship, and I think people getting offended over words is incredibly immature. Since you agree with me, and you happen to be an administrator, is it okay if I use the N word on here from now on?

You can give it a crack if you like.

I wouldn't, like. This is a private site and we've determined that insulting terms commonly used by racists towards member of other races do not make for a great community. I'm sure you remember agreeing to that.

It's not all his fault. I wanted to understand how this little community thinks.

We do not have a single opinion - we're not a Gestalt entity.

I've had some thoughts, and I wanted to at least ask @Famine (since he's considered a god by a lot of you) via PM about certain things but he ignored.

Again, I've been out all day, but I've not got anything in my inbox from you today so... *shrug*?

Also at GTP users considering me a "god". Just


*Not really

 

[TenEightyOne]

Just as an interested aside; did anyone mention Demon Fart-Pigs yet? True story.

 

[huskeR32]

It's not all his fault. I wanted to understand how this little community thinks. I've had some thoughts, and I wanted to at least ask @Famine (since he's considered a god by a lot of you) via PM about certain things but he ignored. So it was a good little chance to get to measure your (the forum's) behavior through these discussions.

That's a nice White & Nerdy-esque persecution complex you're showing there. I get it, it's easier to imagine that you're being railroaded here than to admit how much of your own bollocks you're buried under. Happens quite a bit around here, to be honest.

The reality of Famine's standing around here is that most of us have been around long enough to know that when he posts something, you can be sure he's done his homework on it. He doesn't BS, and he doesn't abide it in others either. I actually hold many other members here in a similar regard - it's the main reason I spend time on this site at all.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The reality of Famine's standing around here is that most of us have been around long enough to know that when he posts something, you can be sure he's done his homework on it. He doesn't BS, and he doesn't abide it in others either. I actually hold many other members here in a similar regard - it's the main reason I spend time on this site at all.

But sometimes it can hurt, it can really hurt.

Mmm, fart-pigs.

 

[Famine]

how much of your own bollocks you're buried under

That's one of the least pleasant mental images I've had in a while.

Still, at least it's not someone else's. That'd be gay.

 

[TenEightyOne]

That's one of the least pleasant mental images I've had in a while.

Still, at least it's not someone else's. That'd be gay.

Wait, Bollocks is allowed? As an expletive I mean, not a means of gay-death. I'm always so careful to say bulwarks too...

Back on topic;

 

[Danoff]

Wait, Bollocks is allowed? As an expletive I mean, not a means of gay-death. I'm always so careful to say bulwarks too...

Back on topic;

I'm amazed that anyone can watch that a not think "this chick is bat stuff crazy!"

So all of that is fine and anyone is of course free to believe that nonsense. But to try to impose it on government is a totally different animal.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I'm amazed that anyone can watch that a not think "this chick is bat stuff crazy!"

I imagine that some people can watch that and think "y'know, that was very well said". Scary world is scary.

 

[FoolKiller]

The number of irony-filled posts in this forum is too damn high.

Well, concluding someone accused you of being a child molester when they didn't is irony.


If you are accusing me of jumping to a conclusion by saying you are, then I am confused, because that isn't irony.

 

[Rich S]

One of our MN state representatives in the house, Michele Bachmann (think I spelled here last name correctly?) is retiring and a new (likely republican, evangelical) will replace her. It was news years ago when Bachmann ran because the mother of a missing child from Minnesota (famous kidnapping) ran against her as a democrat. When I was growing up it was a famous case.

Anyways Bachmann has arguably been in the top 3 for most anti-gay republicans in America, and her school district Anoka-Hennepin was recently sued for a $270,000 settlement over gay bullying. This is really the only republican leaning area in MN, that and St. Cloud area which I believe has narrow republican majority almost all down to the pro religion, anti gay, pro gun stances and nothing to do with economics.

 

[Azure Flare]

Michele Bachmann is a homophobic waste of blood and organs that uses up space and valuable oxygen.

 

[Odnomre]

Okay, so... I'm someone who came out of the closet fairly recently (March of this year) at age 18, so i'm still not entirely okay with having it out in the open like this. Posting it on my status was one thing, but to go in depth like this... It's hard.

I was 12 when I started having my first doubts about if I really was only interested in girls. At first I was able to just brush it off as it being part if my insecurity, but skip ahead a year, maybe two years ahead, and I'm already actively trying to hide and deny that part of myself. This (along with other traumatic stuff that I won't discuss here) had driven me into depression and suicidal thoughts by age 16 (I've never given in to those thoughts, and i'm really glad I never did). At age 17,5 I can't take the pressure that i'm carrying on my shoulders anymore and drop out of school, ending up stuck at home, living at night trying to escape my depression in video games. I'm 19 now, and things have gotten better, but living on heated-up dinner and maybe a few slices of bread a day, almost total seclusion from friends and family, living at night and constant depression has taken it's toll.

Why am I writing all of this out? As I look back at this, I see that I've lost 6 to 7 of the best years of my life, to a situation of low self esteem, and that traumatic event I still have trouble accepting to this day. The event i'm talking about couldn't be stopped. No matter how hard I would have tried. But I honestly think I would have been able to deal with it better if I would have been able to accept my sexuality. Why? I could have been a lot more confident, and accept that I didn't have control over who I am and what I have to do. That no matter how hard we try, we never have full control over our life.

Don't get me wrong, I grew up with parents that always used to tell me, my brother and my sister: "We will love you, no matter what choices you make, or how you will grow up to be.". Why did I not tell anyone when I was getting sure I was also interested in guys? Not because of my parents, but because of everything that happened outside of my family. Teens, they can be harsh. Calling someone else a "faggot" is pretty normal.

Now i'm not saying we should start telling kids faggots is a horrible word to use. Hell, I still use that word to swear when i'm gaming. It lost it's context to homosexuality for me (I don't have a mic, so anyone still in the closet doesn't have to feel bad when I swear , sorry if it offends anyone.). What I mean is, for a lot of people, being gay or bisexual is still considered bad, and a reason to bully if not beat up someone.

I considered it like that. I knew for certain that if I came out of the closet, I'd be bullied and laughed at. In hindsight, that might not have happened at all. But like I said, I was very insecure back then. I still am.

I'd like to see this changed for kids in the future. And being on this site, seeing pretty much everyone being tolerant about it, as well as having seen the reaction of my parents when I told them i'm more into guys than girls. It really gives me hope. Although it's always hard to ignore what the more intolerant people have to say about it.

But on the contrary of those people are the ones who take tolerance way too far. I want to be normal, you know? But when I see that canal parade here in Holland, I always ask myself... Why? Do you really want everyone to think you're that way? I've never been there myself but 9/10 times those people are confirming the stereotype. If you really want people to be okay with homosexuals, then show them they're just as much an Average Joe as they are.

If we can find a good middle ground, then we won't have situations like I've been in. Kids who are too afraid to tell they're not into the opposite gender. I don't want ANYONE to go through the loneliness and sadness that I've been in for the past few years. And if I didn't have the internet, I wouldn't have had the support once in a while to tell me that I wasn't as weird as I thought I was.

Now... If you made it this far, then I'd like to thank you for reading this. It's extremely tough for me to put my feelings out like this. Even if i'm now i'm accepting that I am different. I'd also like to thank @Ishikawa M , @AzNTypeR and @Rhykus Finlay for giving me that little boost of confidence to post here.

I'm going to get over this depression. Thanks for giving me a place to vent a little, GTPlanet.

Ray

 

[Aphelion]

Michele Bachmann is a homophobic waste of blood and organs that uses up space and valuable oxygen.

Woah woah waoh, that's a bit extreme... at the risk of being extremely cliché, we are all entitled to you own opinions (yada yada yada), and calling someone a waste of life/space is a bit over the top.

(my hands are too cold to type!)

 

[TenEightyOne]

Why am I writing all of this out? As I look back at this, I see that I've lost 6 to 7 of the best years of my life, to a situation of low self esteem, and that traumatic event I still have trouble accepting to this day. The event i'm talking about couldn't be stopped. No matter how hard I would have tried. But I honestly think I would have been able to deal with it better if I would have been able to accept my sexuality. Why? I could have been a lot more confident, and accept that I didn't have control over who I am and what I have to do.

Respect for that post, lots of respect.

I haven't much to say... you're figuring a lot of stuff out yourself... but the "lost years"... don't look at it like that. Sexuality is a massive part of one's teen psyche but in retrospect whatever your orientation much of the depression, angst and emotional horror that you blame your "lost years" on would very likely have happened any way.

You talk about a specific event and I inferred a context that gave me some idea of what you were talking about, that's something that only you know about of course but you must find a service where you can sit in a room and talk to someone about it. Bad people do bad **** and good people take the brunt, but you're not to blame. Good thinking on addressing the "control" issue, talking to someone (find a recommended professional ) could really help with that.

And the stereotype? I'm able to "take either bus to work" and I'm a stereotypical grumpy Yorkshireman, or so I'm told. I know plenty of gay guys who fit the Ibiza-dwelling curtain-picking fake-flouncing wrist-snapping "screamer" stereotype but equally I know plenty who don't. It's a literal vogue in some places, Pride always gets the poster-boys out front because they're the loudest and brightest.

If I ran Pride it would be in a well-aled pub with a decent band and I'd only tell my mates. There'd be pie and peas though so worth coming out, so to speak.

 

[Jet Badger]

Okay, so... I'm someone who came out of the closet fairly recently (March of this year) at age 18, so i'm still not entirely okay with having it out in the open like this. Posting it on my status was one thing, but to go in depth like this... It's hard.

I was 12 when I started having my first doubts about if I really was only interested in girls. At first I was able to just brush it off as it being part if my insecurity, but skip ahead a year, maybe two years ahead, and I'm already actively trying to hide and deny that part of myself. This (along with other traumatic stuff that I won't discuss here) had driven me into depression and suicidal thoughts by age 16 (I've never given in to those thoughts, and i'm really glad I never did). At age 17,5 I can't take the pressure that i'm carrying on my shoulders anymore and drop out of school, ending up stuck at home, living at night trying to escape my depression in video games. I'm 19 now, and things have gotten better, but living on heated-up dinner and maybe a few slices of bread a day, almost total seclusion from friends and family, living at night and constant depression has taken it's toll.

Why am I writing all of this out? As I look back at this, I see that I've lost 6 to 7 of the best years of my life, to a situation of low self esteem, and that traumatic event I still have trouble accepting to this day. The event i'm talking about couldn't be stopped. No matter how hard I would have tried. But I honestly think I would have been able to deal with it better if I would have been able to accept my sexuality. Why? I could have been a lot more confident, and accept that I didn't have control over who I am and what I have to do. That no matter how hard we try, we never have full control over our life.

Don't get me wrong, I grew up with parents that always used to tell me, my brother and my sister: "We will love you, no matter what choices you make, or how you will grow up to be.". Why did I not tell anyone when I was getting sure I was also interested in guys? Not because of my parents, but because of everything that happened outside of my family. Teens, they can be harsh. Calling someone else a "faggot" is pretty normal.

Now i'm not saying we should start telling kids faggots is a horrible word to use. Hell, I still use that word to swear when i'm gaming. It lost it's context to homosexuality for me (I don't have a mic, so anyone still in the closet doesn't have to feel bad when I swear , sorry if it offends anyone.). What I mean is, for a lot of people, being gay or bisexual is still considered bad, and a reason to bully if not beat up someone.

I considered it like that. I knew for certain that if I came out of the closet, I'd be bullied and laughed at. In hindsight, that might not have happened at all. But like I said, I was very insecure back then. I still am.

I'd like to see this changed for kids in the future. And being on this site, seeing pretty much everyone being tolerant about it, as well as having seen the reaction of my parents when I told them i'm more into guys than girls. It really gives me hope. Although it's always hard to ignore what the more intolerant people have to say about it.

But on the contrary of those people are the ones who take tolerance way too far. I want to be normal, you know? But when I see that canal parade here in Holland, I always ask myself... Why? Do you really want everyone to think you're that way? I've never been there myself but 9/10 times those people are confirming the stereotype. If you really want people to be okay with homosexuals, then show them they're just as much an Average Joe as they are.

If we can find a good middle ground, then we won't have situations like I've been in. Kids who are too afraid to tell they're not into the opposite gender. I don't want ANYONE to go through the loneliness and sadness that I've been in for the past few years. And if I didn't have the internet, I wouldn't have had the support once in a while to tell me that I wasn't as weird as I thought I was.

Now... If you made it this far, then I'd like to thank you for reading this. It's extremely tough for me to put my feelings out like this. Even if i'm now i'm accepting that I am different. I'd also like to thank @Ishikawa M , @AzNTypeR and @Rhykus Finlay for giving me that little boost of confidence to post here.

I'm going to get over this depression. Thanks for giving me a place to vent a little, GTPlanet.

Ray

Just remember that there's no need to pay attention to what intolerant folk think about you. There are asshats everywhere - people who are unable to understand rational arguments and choose their ignorance driven self-righteousness instead. Those people are not worthy of your time. It can be hard when when you have them among your classmates, co-workers and especially family members but you should never feel ashamed of who you are. Remember that for every nutjob there's one sensible person out there. Don't be afraid to go out, find people you share hobbies and interests with and you'll find a place where you can be yourself and be happy among open minded people that you can call your friends. 👍

 

[Odnomre]

Thank you for all the support. I'm actually a little suprised by just how many likes I've received for this

I do have to say, I'm getting help now. Around the same time I've told my parents about being bisexual, they had sought contact with some organisations to get me help. It was so bad back then that I couldn't even be awake during normal hours to talk it over with them.

I have a councilor now who I talk to every week, just to see how my progress is going. And i'm happy to note that there's been a huge change since April/May. It's nice to sit around in the sun and talk to my family again (and typing that made me realize just how far I had sunk), and have some decent food to eat. Last week I've had my first meeting with my therapist, and this friday i'm going there again. I'll make sure to bring this up so we can add it to the list of progress that I made.

Once again, thank you for the support, everyone. It took more out of me to write that post than I expected. When you're in that deep it's hard to see you're not the only one that's been through times like you're in.

 

[Dan]

If you have a Facebook account, I've found that Lizzy The Lezzy's page has slowly restored my faith in humanity.

 

[Danoff]

I'm going to get over this depression.

Do you think your depression stems from being gay? Or is it more because of some event that happened in your past? Because if you're going through all of this just because you prefer men to women (or both), that's terrible. I haven't had to suffer any depression over who I happen to find attractive, and I don't think it's right that anyone should.

Granted, I know it happens to many people who are gay, and I fully appreciate why it happens. But it is an injustice.

 

[Danny]

Granted, I know it happens to many people who are gay

My sympathies tend to lie with transgendered folk. I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it must be to live day to day, feeling like you don't belong in your body. To feel constantly conflicted and fragmented.

 

[Odnomre]

Do you think your depression stems from being gay? Or is it more because of some event that happened in your past? Because if you're going through all of this just because you prefer men to women (or both), that's terrible. I haven't had to suffer any depression over who I happen to find attractive, and I don't think it's right that anyone should.

Granted, I know it happens to many people who are gay, and I fully appreciate why it happens. But it is an injustice.

I don't think either of the events was the direct cause. I'd say both of them contributed to where I am now. The straw that broke the camel's back was the college I went to after High School. I had bad grades in high school because I was depressed (Didn't see the need to study because hey, I might be dead tomorrow), which led to me not being able to pick a decent education that was on my actual skill level after it. So I ended up in this college trying to get to be a teacher with a bit of a detour, but I got stuck with people that made me feel even more lonely and out of place than I did in High School. I endured it for about half a year, but... I was so worn out by then that I couldn't get out of bed anymore. As much as I loved English, and loved teaching kids, I just didn't want to go to that place anymore.

Might sound pathetic, but... Back then it seemed like the only way.

 

[Dan]

My sympathies tend to lie with transgendered folk. I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it must be to live day to day, feeling like you don't belong in your body. To feel constantly conflicted and fragmented.

I have a male friend that wants to be a woman and she (They identify as a woman) says it's awful. She attempted suicide in the past, but was thankfully unsuccessful. I promised her I would be there every step of the way so she can finally be happy with themselves.

 

[Exorcet]

My sympathies tend to lie with transgendered folk. I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it must be to live day to day, feeling like you don't belong in your body. To feel constantly conflicted and fragmented.

I think it's a bit of the same. Someone who is gay might be depressed because there are plenty of wrong signals that being gay is wrong or a problem. Same for a boy/girl that likes playing with dolls/toy weights. Some of the reasoning I've heard from people regarding sex change worry me, as to me it sounds like more of an issue of societal pressure (though I don't want to ignore some of the biological reasons).

 

[Pete05]

I don't think either of the events was the direct cause. I'd say both of them contributed to where I am now. The straw that broke the camel's back was the college I went to after High School. I had bad grades in high school because I was depressed (Didn't see the need to study because hey, I might be dead tomorrow), which led to me not being able to pick a decent education that was on my actual skill level after it. So I ended up in this college trying to get to be a teacher with a bit of a detour, but I got stuck with people that made me feel even more lonely and out of place than I did in High School. I endured it for about half a year, but... I was so worn out by then that I couldn't get out of bed anymore. As much as I loved English, and loved teaching kids, I just didn't want to go to that place anymore.

Might sound pathetic, but... Back then it seemed like the only way.

I totally understand that thought process.
I've been fighting depression and anxiety for most of my life. Many,
many contributing factors.
It's hard to plan for or think about the future when you feel like you don't have one. These thoughts can lead to 'who gives a damn?' mentality and the self destructive thought process that goes with it.

It is so very important to be surrounded by people who support you, be they family, friends or professionals like counsellors or therapists. It sounds like you have that now and I'm sure you can already feel the relief that gives.

One step at a time, one day at a time