The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Denur]

I know you guys are teachers already, that is why you dislike me

I'm confident that many a teacher can be found who do not dislike you. And, I'm very confident that there are people out there who don't teach and dislike you anyway.

 

[squadops]

Fair enough.

I had about a 30 min convo with a close friend, someone you all know, and it took that until he understood me. I'm sorry I don't come right off.

 

[Scaff]

Finland is a huge exception to me, in many ways.

Except its not, linking any form of education to its social impact and use see's better retention rates and better levels of understanding. That applies at all ages. The training I manage (which is entirely profit based and for the private, commercial sector - you can't get much more free market than the motor industry) has seen training linked in this manner reduce system go-live impact, reduce support call levels and improve our customers ability to deal with their customers.

Not to be cryptic or not to spell correctly. socialist type of stuff with a free market. It does not hurt that they seem pretty smart.

They are not intrinsically smarter than anyone else, they just approach it in a far more joined up and inclusive manner, you also seem to think that social programs can't exist in conjunction with a free market. They can and do.

Teach what you are going to teach by all means, I know you guys are teachers already, that is why you dislike me lol.

I don't dislike you; I don't know you well enough to make that kind of call. I disagree with you, don't conflate the two.

Don't ask me to fork over more dough for a special social program. That is not hard to understand.

Your view on that is clear enough, I don't think anyone has missed that you don't want to pay for it. What you have not been clear on is why you don't feel its worth funding or why you think that teaching such aspects in a wider educational curriculum is not beneficial to the student and society as a whole. That you have not clearly explained.

 

[Furinkazen]

I know you guys are teachers already, that is why you dislike me lol.

But, i'm an engineering student!

 

[squadops]

No arguments with any of that from either of you 👍

I will say Scaff, Finland requires service do they not? I love that about them.

 

[Scaff]

I will say Scaff, Finland requires service do they not? I love that about them.

I have to admit, I have no idea what you mean by 'service'?

 

[squadops]

Military service. Sorry.

When you are willing to die for your brother, you just might like him a tad more.

 

[Carbonox]

Military service. Sorry.

When you are willing to die for your brother, you just might like him a tad more.

I doubt a mandatory military service is something to be proud of.

Plus, it being mandatory kinda defeats the point of being "willing" to die for one's countrymen...

 

[squadops]

I disagree with you.

 

[Imari]

I know you guys are teachers already

Nope.

Military service. Sorry.

When you are willing to die for your brother, you just might like him a tad more.

Do I take it from this you support the idea of mandatory military service?

Were we not just talking about liberty and your objection to people being forced to learn about sexuality? How then do you square that with forced military service, in which the person may be required to give their life?

Surely if you find being forced to learn objectionable, you should find being forced to serve and to die more so.

 

[Dennisch]

Paid with my goddamn taxes!

 

[squadops]

You do not misunderstand me, it is not objectionable to me, if you can serve, do so, and in that you might just realize the care you are wanting.

I care, a great deal, for everyone. It's the reason I am armed for instance.

EDIT Dennisch

 

[Scaff]

Military service. Sorry.

When you are willing to die for your brother, you just might like him a tad more.

Umm. In Finland you get the option of either Military or non-Military service, as such its not quite as you imagine it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Finland#Non-military_service

 

[squadops]

That would be service to me 👍

 

[Denur]

This is the whole set. The ladies look a bit fat in those dresses.

 

[Johnnypenso]

This is the whole set. The ladies look a bit fat in those dresses.

Paid with my goddamn taxes!

The second dude could stand to lose 10 pounds or so too but you have to represent the people with higher BMI's too. Tall/short people are obviously being left out though, feel bad for them.

 

[TenEightyOne]

short people are obviously being left out though, feel bad for them.

Are you kidding? They're four inches high!

 

[Imari]

You do not misunderstand me, it is not objectionable to me...

So why is forced military service OK, but forced social education not?

Especially since it would seem that from your posts that part of the reason you approve of military service is that it teaches people some sort of social behaviour that you see as positive.

Seriously, what is the difference between forced education at a school and forced education on a military base?

 

[novcze]

... or that education regarding the fair treatment of LGBT people somehow lessens the plight of other students who are being targeted for reasons other than their sexuality?

Do we really need to teach more than simple "don't do things to others that you don't want them to do to you" and don't we just need to put more focus on universal human rights instead of search for the most special snowflake.


btw. mendatory military service certainly taught me something and that is concentration of idiots in population is higher than I expected

 

[Scaff]

Do we really need to teach more than simple "don't do things to others that you don't want them to do to you" and don't we just need to put more focus on universal human rights instead of search for the most special snowflake.

So those who are simply asking that they are given the same treatment and rights as the rest of the population are "the most special snowflakes"?

It would seem that you managed to forget something as simple as "don't do things to others that you don't want them to do to you" before you got to the end of your own sentence!

btw. mendatory military service certainly taught me something and that is concentration of idiots in population is higher than I expected

Define 'idiot', as I'm very interested to know how this would be framed given that you first state that "don't do things to others that you don't want them to do to you" is simple and then manage to forget it before you had finished writing.

 

[niky]

I have addressed that.

My kids did not need the shame, leave them alone, they are smart, they have numbers, they shall live. I am for liberty is all, something you are not for.

What is it about sensitivity programs that shames children?

Telling children that their feelings don't matter is more shameful than telling them that they do.

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This is the crux at which your argument breaks down.

It would perhaps be beneficial if you actually reviewed the curriculum for any sexual education or gender sensitivity course written within this century. Your idea of what these programs constitute seem woefully incorrect.

 

[squadops]

I'm not incorrect, as a matter of fact, I had to shield my kids from all sorts of public school stuff. I do my homework.

 

[niky]

I'm not incorrect, as a matter of fact, I had to shield my kids from all sorts of public school stuff. I do my homework.

Such as?

If your kid is being shamed for who or what they are, that is what sensitivity programs aim to prevent.

If your kid is being shamed for what they say or do, then the next question is: What did they say or do to be shamed?

 

[Imari]

I'm not incorrect, as a matter of fact, I had to shield my kids from all sorts of public school stuff. I do my homework.

Perhaps if you told us what stuff you're shielding your kids from and why you feel that they needed to be shielded from it, it would help us understand where you're coming from.

 

[squadops]

They sure try to achieve that

 

[Scaff]

I'm not incorrect, as a matter of fact,

That remains to be seen.

I had to shield my kids from all sorts of public school stuff.

Which 'stuff'?

I do my homework.

How do you do this homework and what do you consider to be credible sources?

I have to ask because "I've done my homework" is one of the single most common cries of the anti-Vaccine/Anti-GMO groups, and almost always turns out to be "I've looked at non-scientific sources that exist to sell me stuff by confirming my bias", as such its a claim that I am now very, very wary of.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

I do my homework.

Presumably this homework was only "abc 123" stuff?

 

[novcze]

Paid with my goddamn taxes!

I wouldn't worry about taxes in this case, more like legality of this traffic lights. I don't know how you have it in the Netherlands, but our traffic lights need to be standartised, approved and put in to the law.

 

[novcze]

So those who are simply asking that they are given the same treatment and rights as the rest of the population are "the most special snowflakes"?

Wait what? Do we still talking about situation in USA and Europe or did you shift it somewhere else?

 

[TenEightyOne]

I wouldn't worry about taxes in this case, more like legality of this traffic lights. I don't know how you have it in the Netherlands, but our traffic lights need to be standartised, approved and put in to the law.

They're in Austria, and I'd be surprised if they didn't conform to the law in terms of brightness, visibility and illuminated surface area. They're for pedestrian users rather than vehicles so the regulations aren't as stringent. They seem to have paid off too and become something of a tourist attraction, not a bad investment.