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Taken to here.The BRIT awards are the latest place to cave in and scrap "Male and Female" categories for their awards for the sake of inclusivity for non-binary artists.
However what they've done is now gone from rewarding two artists to only rewarding one...
Brit Awards scrap male and female categories
From next year, all musicians will compete for a combined best artist prize, organisers announce.www.bbc.co.uk
There will now always be an argument every year over, if a man wins it "uh why didn't a woman win it grrrrrr patriarchy" or if a woman wins it "uh rigged against men because they wanted to show they're progressive". If all these categories are won by one gender, there will be outcry against the awards. By appeasing one section of society, they're opening a whole nother (and bigger) can of worms.
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In todays episode of "My State's Legislature is Garbage..."
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For those unaware, there's currently a bill (being referred to by some as the "Don't Say Gay Bill") that just passed the first round of the Florida Senate. It aims to ban school districts from talking about sexual orientation and gender identity (and I'm assuming the subject of LGBTQ+ as a whole) in the classroom, with the thought process that this kind of discussion should be the responsibility of the parents (which, for the sake of transparency, I don't completely disagree with). A new amendment was proposed that, if implemented, would require schools to reveal a students sexual orientation to the parents within 6 weeks time if the school finds out that the student isn't straight. Originally, there was a section within the bill where if a teacher found out a student identified as LGBTQ, they were required to tell the parents, unless the teacher felt that this would potentially put the student at risk of being abused. This amendment effectively removes that exemption.
Basically, significant portions of the Florida Government wants to make it where schools and/or teachers are required to out one of the most private, confusing, and potentially life-altering aspects of a teenagers life to their parents with no consent from the student, and literally with no regard for the students well-being if it turns out that they face repercussions for their un-sanctioned outing.
And this is all from the party of "limited government overreach." To steal one of @TexRex 's lines, modern conservatism is mental illness, because this sure as 🤬 isn't being made for the well-being of the students.
Florida ‘Don’t Say Gay’ forced disclosure amendment withdrawn
An amendment to the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill filed by Rep. Joe Harding would force schools to disclose student LGBTQ status within 6 weeks.
www.wfla.com
For those unaware, there's currently a bill (being referred to by some as the "Don't Say Gay Bill") that just passed the first round of the Florida Senate. It aims to ban school districts from talking about sexual orientation and gender identity (and I'm assuming the subject of LGBTQ+ as a whole) in the classroom, with the thought process that this kind of discussion should be the responsibility of the parents (which, for the sake of transparency, I don't completely disagree with). A new amendment was proposed that, if implemented, would require schools to reveal a students sexual orientation to the parents within 6 weeks time if the school finds out that the student isn't straight. Originally, there was a section within the bill where if a teacher found out a student identified as LGBTQ, they were required to tell the parents, unless the teacher felt that this would potentially put the student at risk of being abused. This amendment effectively removes that exemption.
Basically, significant portions of the Florida Government wants to make it where schools and/or teachers are required to out one of the most private, confusing, and potentially life-altering aspects of a teenagers life to their parents with no consent from the student, and literally with no regard for the students well-being if it turns out that they face repercussions for their un-sanctioned outing.
And this is all from the party of "limited government overreach." To steal one of @TexRex 's lines, modern conservatism is mental illness, because this sure as 🤬 isn't being made for the well-being of the students.
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When you're clearly indicating that anything other than straight is grounds for public humiliation, it's clear that this is a homophobic plan by homophobic people.
Every time a boy around aged 11 realises he fancies girls, does that boy also have to be publicly humiliated and have his sexuality announced to the world?
Every time a boy around aged 11 realises he fancies girls, does that boy also have to be publicly humiliated and have his sexuality announced to the world?
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Double jeopardy there too, because I can imagine that's grounds for its own lawsuit when it results in a student being harmed at home.In todays episode of "My State's Legislature is Garbage..."
Florida ‘Don’t Say Gay’ forced disclosure amendment withdrawn
An amendment to the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill filed by Rep. Joe Harding would force schools to disclose student LGBTQ status within 6 weeks.
For those unaware, there's currently a bill (being referred to by some as the "Don't Say Gay Bill") that just passed the first round of the Florida Senate. It aims to ban school districts from talking about sexual orientation and gender identity (and I'm assuming the subject of LGBTQ+ as a whole) in the classroom, with the thought process that this kind of discussion should be the responsibility of the parents (which, for the sake of transparency, I don't completely disagree with). A new amendment was proposed that, if implemented, would require schools to reveal a students sexual orientation to the parents within 6 weeks time if the school finds out that the student isn't straight. Originally, there was a section within the bill where if a teacher found out a student identified as LGBTQ, they were required to tell the parents, unless the teacher felt that this would potentially put the student at risk of being abused. This amendment effectively removes that exemption.
Basically, significant portions of the Florida Government wants to make it where schools and/or teachers are required to out one of the most private, confusing, and potentially life-altering aspects of a teenagers life to their parents with no consent from the student, and literally with no regard for the students well-being if it turns out that they face repercussions for their un-sanctioned outing.
And this is all from the party of "limited government overreach." To steal one of @TexRex 's lines, modern conservatism is mental illness, because this sure as 🤬 isn't being made for the well-being of the students.
GOP: "School, you have to do something which you know will put some students in danger"
GOP: "BTW good luck with the lawsuits"
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Yes, let's make public school even more of an emotionally difficult roller coaster, you rotten, sullen bag of fake-tanned, odiously-ignorant, officious, do-nothing twits!
Cue every other Fake-worshipping Caucus south of the Mason-Dixon line copying this ploy, to garner artificial support since they rarely have had a good original idea in several generations.
But I don't think it's the business of schools to worry about students' gender identity and expression, never mind where and when would they have time for bothering with polling the entire student body for data. Worry about the fringe one-off cases as they happen, rather than worry about the boogeyman that doesn't exist.
Cue every other Fake-worshipping Caucus south of the Mason-Dixon line copying this ploy, to garner artificial support since they rarely have had a good original idea in several generations.
But I don't think it's the business of schools to worry about students' gender identity and expression, never mind where and when would they have time for bothering with polling the entire student body for data. Worry about the fringe one-off cases as they happen, rather than worry about the boogeyman that doesn't exist.
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This is some Islamic Republic level ********. What is even the stated reasoning for outing students? Just for fun? WTF is this ****?In todays episode of "My State's Legislature is Garbage..."
Florida ‘Don’t Say Gay’ forced disclosure amendment withdrawn
An amendment to the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill filed by Rep. Joe Harding would force schools to disclose student LGBTQ status within 6 weeks.
For those unaware, there's currently a bill (being referred to by some as the "Don't Say Gay Bill") that just passed the first round of the Florida Senate. It aims to ban school districts from talking about sexual orientation and gender identity (and I'm assuming the subject of LGBTQ+ as a whole) in the classroom, with the thought process that this kind of discussion should be the responsibility of the parents (which, for the sake of transparency, I don't completely disagree with). A new amendment was proposed that, if implemented, would require schools to reveal a students sexual orientation to the parents within 6 weeks time if the school finds out that the student isn't straight. Originally, there was a section within the bill where if a teacher found out a student identified as LGBTQ, they were required to tell the parents, unless the teacher felt that this would potentially put the student at risk of being abused. This amendment effectively removes that exemption.
Basically, significant portions of the Florida Government wants to make it where schools and/or teachers are required to out one of the most private, confusing, and potentially life-altering aspects of a teenagers life to their parents with no consent from the student, and literally with no regard for the students well-being if it turns out that they face repercussions for their un-sanctioned outing.
And this is all from the party of "limited government overreach." To steal one of @TexRex 's lines, modern conservatism is mental illness, because this sure as 🤬 isn't being made for the well-being of the students.
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God, this makes me so angry, I just can’t imagine how a closeted teenager would feel after being outed to their parents, especially if they’re not accepting of it, this is atrocious…In todays episode of "My State's Legislature is Garbage..."
Florida ‘Don’t Say Gay’ forced disclosure amendment withdrawn
An amendment to the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill filed by Rep. Joe Harding would force schools to disclose student LGBTQ status within 6 weeks.
For those unaware, there's currently a bill (being referred to by some as the "Don't Say Gay Bill") that just passed the first round of the Florida Senate. It aims to ban school districts from talking about sexual orientation and gender identity (and I'm assuming the subject of LGBTQ+ as a whole) in the classroom, with the thought process that this kind of discussion should be the responsibility of the parents (which, for the sake of transparency, I don't completely disagree with). A new amendment was proposed that, if implemented, would require schools to reveal a students sexual orientation to the parents within 6 weeks time if the school finds out that the student isn't straight. Originally, there was a section within the bill where if a teacher found out a student identified as LGBTQ, they were required to tell the parents, unless the teacher felt that this would potentially put the student at risk of being abused. This amendment effectively removes that exemption.
Basically, significant portions of the Florida Government wants to make it where schools and/or teachers are required to out one of the most private, confusing, and potentially life-altering aspects of a teenagers life to their parents with no consent from the student, and literally with no regard for the students well-being if it turns out that they face repercussions for their un-sanctioned outing.
And this is all from the party of "limited government overreach." To steal one of @TexRex 's lines, modern conservatism is mental illness, because this sure as 🤬 isn't being made for the well-being of the students.
I know that stuff like this isn’t just Florida specific, but can’t we just like…
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They're using their new magic words, "parents' rights," but as with so much coming out of the GOP, cruelty is the point.
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It's as if they don't want their voters thinking with their heads and are constantly attempting to override this with demagogic calls to emotion.
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This piece by Sarah Longwell (Republican Accountability Project; Defending Democracy Together; publisher, The Bulwark) is potentially paywalled, so I won't be transcribing it fully.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/15/florida-dont-say-gay-hurt-kids-with-lgbt-parents/
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That's literally the Governor of Florida saying that the objective of this bill is to control what kids can and can't learn about in the classroom. Ignoring the disgusting tactic of using school children's age as a scapegoat, that's him admitting that the "Parental Rights in in Education" bill is taking away parents rights to choose what their kids can be educated about in the classroom.
Why is the party that's against government overreach celebrating government officials reaching into the classroom to control what kids can and can't learn about?
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I could be wrong, but I don't think is is overreach for the government to control government schools.
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These types of rules have existed for a while in school districts throughout the US, including some here in MN as recent as 10yrs ago if I can remember correctly although not where I lived....but they were mere guides and not the law as to allow educators some leeway.
Now these new speech/expression laws and or rules are slightly different, in that they are like heavily watered down versions of the Russian anti gay propoganda law which was called something like: "for the protection of families and children and the denile of traditional relationships" law....
If you remember passed in 2013 by the Russian federal govt this law generated wide ranging support in the neighboring eastern eu countries and some countries like Poland but failed to pass in those govts as it violated eu rules. None the less it passed recently in Hungary in watered down form.
However these new propoganda laws for me are very Russian in origin and perhaps was created by Putin's govt more to seed caos in the west than to gain himself popularity at home in Russia which is not needed as he's dictator anyways....
Just think of the anger being created over the laws and think about Russian attitudes which are not split on this while westerners are split on it. It's a perfect virus for western political structures.
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Much as I hate to say it, but many of them are actually very similar to Section/Clause 28 of a now (thankfully) repealed bit of British law that did exactly the same, so we beat the Russians to it by quite some margin...
Section 28 - Wikipedia
... which stated local authorities:
"shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship"
It was introduced in 1988 (and I can remember protesting it at the time) and wasn't fully repealed until 2003. It utterly destroyed not just the teaching of all aspects of sexuality in schools, but also removed all forms of locally funded support groups.
One of the many reasons why I still hate Margret Thatcher.
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Just try to apply a little critical thinking to it then. Suppose the government were requiring children to refuse to acknowledge that they're straight. Good? Suppose the government were requiring religious children to wear arm bands indicating that they're religious. Suppose the government were requiring that schools taught critical race theory.
Yea all of the sudden it's all about parent's rights isn't it?
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I'm heavily inclined to disagree. This isn't the usual government oversight that's generally expected in education, such as the distribution of funding across the state, and making sure curriculum doesn't contain anything that is actually harmful and/or illegal. This is government officials using their political (bully) power to control what children can and can't learn about, for basically no other reason than that they don't like the topics in question.
Re-shaping education so that only the "good" stuff is taught is historically a tactic favored by authoritarian regimes. None of this is helped by the fact that this bill is heavily supported by Ron Desantis who, let's not forget, has threatened to withhold funding for any school district that passed mask mandates (which he eventually backpedaled from, eventually advocating for parents to sue the school districts themselves), and also attempted to withhold salaries from the school district officials in the counties that defied him. This breakfast laxative then has the gall to claim that Florida is the "freest state in the country." Maybe this is just me, but I have a very hard time calling compelled actions (with major threats of both financial and legal consequences) "free" actions.
I also really hate that this bill is being called the "Parental Rights in Education" bill, because it's bull🤬. This is a bill that actually takes away parents rights in knowing what their kids can't learn about. If I'm a parent who wants their kid to learn about gender identity and the like (which I would be, because these things actually exist and are more and more likely to be encountered at some point in life), then now me and my kid are screwed because, if this bill were to become law, it would literally be a crime on a state level for my childs school to teach them this actual part of modern everyday society. As @Danoff has alluded to, it's a oil-covered slippery slope for other harmful legislation.
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Or, you know, participating. One has participated as recently as just a few posts ago.
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