The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%
  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%
  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%
  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%
  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%

  • Total voters
    1,476
Cmon... what religion would perform such ceremonies???.. Gay marriage is legal in my country but you will never see a priest marry no gay and thats a fact... (unless the bride doesnt know her husband is gay :D) youll see them molesting little kids but not doing gay marriages...

And the little children are usually little boys. So gay, and phedofile.
 
Cmon... what religion would perform such ceremonies???.. Gay marriage is legal in my country but you will never see a priest marry no gay and thats a fact... (unless the bride doesnt know her husband is gay :D) youll see them molesting little kids but not doing gay marriages...
I attended my cousin's commitment ceremony in a church, and the service was led by a pastor. The only difference between her ceremony and mine was that I had a document from the government saying mine was legally recognized. That and hers was full of hippie flower girls and a guy in sandals playing acoustic guitar.

Also, in the US we do not have to be married in a church to be married legally. A ship captain can do it, a judge, all kinds of people.

And some denominations have openly gay bishops.

Despite what you may believe the religious community in the US is not all about bigotry and hatred hidden behind love thy neighbor hypocrisy. The Catholic Church is, officially, but considering how many Catholics I know that support gay rights and other non-church approved things I doubt it matters that much.
 
I've personally visited Jewish Synagogues which perform gay marriages, and I would say for the most part, most Catholics I know are generally pretty tolerant. There's always a few whackjobs but for the most part I'd say most Catholics I've met in Canada or the US have been pretty tolerant of it. Generally, I find the Catholics who are intolerant (because of their faith) aren't really the sharpest knives in the drawer. Most rational, intelligent people, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, or Atheist are tolerant of gays and equal rights for gays.
 
Which is what? That you should vote against it?

I actually don't remember what other poll option I was considering (besides the one I picked).

I've personally visited Jewish Synagogues which perform gay marriages, and I would say for the most part, most Catholics I know are generally pretty tolerant. There's always a few whackjobs but for the most part I'd say most Catholics I've met in Canada or the US have been pretty tolerant of it. Generally, I find the Catholics who are intolerant (because of their faith) aren't really the sharpest knives in the drawer. Most rational, intelligent people, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, or Atheist are tolerant of gays and equal rights for gays.

Generally speaking, I find that the christian fundamentalists are the most intolerant of them all.
 
Generally, I find the Catholics who are intolerant (because of their faith) aren't really the sharpest knives in the drawer. Most rational, intelligent people, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, or Atheist are tolerant of gays and equal rights for gays.

Generally speaking, I find that the christian fundamentalists are the most intolerant of them all.

That's what he said, isn't it?

You have to be fairly mentally deficient to be intollerant of homosexuality - or to think of homosexuals as being different from hetrosexuals in any way other than their sexual preferences. And, lets face it, we all have different sexual preferences... I mean, some people find Lady Gaga attractive!

Using religion as an excuse for hatred is pretty pathetic in the first place. The cornerstone of just about every religion on the planet is basically "be nice to everyone and everything and nice things will happen to you". BUT the big problem with religion is people - as it is with Communism and Milton Keynes. People will always find a way of twisting the message of religion to suit their own ends.

I've always been of the opinion that people are homophobic are just closet cases, they hate because they are embarassed about what they feel, deep down. Or what they want to feel, deep down, if you know what I mean? The wheel that squeaks the loudest is the one that wants to get oiled...
 
I've always been of the opinion that people are homophobic are just closet cases, they hate because they are embarassed about what they feel, deep down. Or what they want to feel, deep down, if you know what I mean? The wheel that squeaks the loudest is the one that wants to get oiled...


Define homophobic please, I need to know if I'm a closet case with odd desires ...


... uh wait, they aren't odd, sorry about that, they're just different ... is that ok, to say different or is it still within homo-closet language boundaries?
 
hum ... different things mixed up.

"fear" toward homossexuals - no

"fear" toward homossexuality - no

"antipathy" toward homosexuals - no

"antipathy" toward homosexuality - yes

to "dislike homosexuals purely because they are homosexual" - no
 
It's amazing, because humans are seemingly incapable of staying out of each others business.
In PG terms, "If a dude wants a thing in his thing, that's his problem, not mine".

In my teen years I was pretty anti-gay, and then I grew up. Even if I were religious, no God has asked me to run around pointing fingers at homosexuals.

I actually thought society had somewhat moved on from this topic, I see I was wrong though.

ScouserInExile
I've always been of the opinion that people are homophobic are just closet cases, they hate because they are embarassed about what they feel, deep down. Or what they want to feel, deep down, if you know what I mean? The wheel that squeaks the loudest is the one that wants to get oiled...
Of course I find this cliche a bit worn out. Many people just hate when other people break the rules.
People would rather have an equal share of nothing then a small share of good.
 
Of course I find this cliche a bit worn out. Many people just hate when other people break the rules.
People would rather have an equal share of nothing then a small share of good.
You're probably right, but its hard to ignore sites like this which seem to suggest a possible connection.
 
No problem for me. As long as they don't dry hump in front of me (male, female are accepted) I have no problem with their lifestyle what so ever.

and for the people thinking it's an illness, sin,....
Nearly every animal humps male and female, they don't care when they are bored.
 
Im totally fine with it as long as private is private, they keep it to themselfs and do it in their own place.

It doesn't bother me at all.
 
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You're probably right, but its hard to ignore sites like this which seem to suggest a possible connection.
There is sometimes a connection.
But it's no different than any other stereotype, and people get carried away with it the same as any other stereotype and assume anyone against it must be gay themselves.
That's my issue with it, of course it's always hilarious to catch an anti-anything doing exactly what they claim to be against though.:lol:

No problem for me. As long as they don't dry hump in front of me (male, female are accepted) I have no problem with their lifestyle what so ever.

and for the people thinking it's an illness, sin,....
Nearly every animal humps male and female, they don't care when they are bored.
I find it strange that you're ok with watching any two people "dry hump" in front of you.
Normally it creates a "wtf" tension in the room, no matter the participants sex.

Im totally fine with it as long as private is private, they keep it to themselfs and do it in their own place.

It doesn't bother me at all.
As long as you hold those standards to everyone, you're being fair.
I've no desire to walk into a grocery store and watch two dudes hang all over each other. I've also no desire to watch a man and woman all over each other in the same store.
Inappropriate is inappropriate no matter the sex.

Define "it."
:lol:
 
I don't really care if someone is homosexual or not, in reality it's their business and no one else should care or mind as long as they don't try to display it in a very profound way.(you can guess what I mean by that..)
 
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I don't really care if someone is homosexual or not, in reality it's their business and no one else should care or mind as long as they don't try to display it in a very profound way.(you can guess what I mean by that..)

But Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders are OK, right?
 
But Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders are OK, right?
What do cheerleaders have to do with public displays of affection, might I ask?

I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between a girl jumping around in "skimpy" clothing and two people doing anything that would let off their sexual preference in public.
 
What do cheerleaders have to do with public displays of affection, might I ask?

I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between a girl jumping around in "skimpy" clothing and two people doing anything that would let off their sexual preference in public.
Indeed CSLACR.
 
CSLACR
What do cheerleaders have to do with public displays of affection, might I ask?

I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between a girl jumping around in "skimpy" clothing and two people doing anything that would let off their sexual preference in public.

He's proven otherwise, but I find most people who say homosexuality is fine as long as it's not in public are more accepting of heterosexual PDA's.
 
What do cheerleaders have to do with public displays of affection, might I ask?

I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between a girl jumping around in "skimpy" clothing and two people doing anything that would let off their sexual preference in public.


What are you defining as "public displays of affection"? Holding hands? Cuddling? Kisssing? A little light bondage?
 
Generally speaking, I find that the christian fundamentalists are the most intolerant of them all.

Fundamentalists and radicals are always whacked out and tend to have views that defy most all social norms. Juts take a look at those fundamentalist Mormons in Utah and Canada. There's a good question for y'all: What does a gay polygamist Mormon do with him/herself?

It's amazing, because humans are seemingly incapable of staying out of each others business.
In PG terms, "If a dude wants a thing in his thing, that's his problem, not mine".

In my teen years I was pretty anti-gay, and then I grew up. Even if I were religious, no God has asked me to run around pointing fingers at homosexuals.

I actually thought society had somewhat moved on from this topic, I see I was wrong though.

Of course I find this cliche a bit worn out. Many people just hate when other people break the rules.
People would rather have an equal share of nothing then a small share of good.

Society will never move on. Take any group of people and give them just a little while and you will see that they have found idiosyncrasies in the others and consider it evidence that they are somehow superior. That's really all stereotyping and irrational dislike is (at least the roots of it)

What are you defining as "public displays of affection"? Holding hands? Cuddling? Kisssing? A little light bondage?

No
Yes
Yes
Good for the soul :P
 
This thread keeps getting bumped way too often.
The way I see this subject, is that there's a severe change in human personality and thought in todays utterly braintwisting society. I'm seriously shocked that essentially only 15% (first two poll choices) are against homsexuality and the rest are either totally OK with it or lax about this subject. This is not normal to me at all.

I think the internet has a huge part in this human behaviour change, since it's infiltrated with with all genres of porno, as well as television/films of course. I think exposing growing kids to this type of "truth" imbeds into their heads quite alot. I think if this poll represented a wider demographic of ages, you'd see a huge difference in votes towards homosexuality being unaccepted.

But I have another theory what might be happening and some might find this rediculous, but whatever. We have a disturbing shift towards processed foods, chemical fertilization and insecticides in agriculture, toxic synthetic additives in many foods, inconcievable hormone and anti-biotic injectios in animal meats , massive exposure to toxins in households, plastics, atmosphere, watersupply ect. What am I talking about you ask?

Well if you spend some time getting a bit indeapth into to health/nutrition science of the human body, specifically to the impact of the hormonal system due to what we put into our body and what we're exposed to getting absorbed into the cell tissues, which then has detrimental effect on the "natural" rythem of hormone output.

There has been a tremendous rise in estrogen/testosterone imbalance in middle aged men/women in the last few decades, more so in developed countries. The science has many theories about it, and it's likely a combination of some of the ones I listed above. The biggest contributing factor is the practices used in commercially raised animals, and the completely unnatural way they're raised - completely confined space, almost no movement, overfed therefore creating unnatural fat deposits and reduced testosterone levels, no exposure to natural sunlight thus removing the extremely important UV radiation and vitamin D needed for healthy growth, inferior feed wich most of the time consists of genetically modified grain based ingredients, hormones and anti-biotics being injected to increase the size and reduce the vulnerability to disease and infection, stress increase due to confinement and handeling... all in order to get the biggest and best space usage for the most profit.

What does this produce? A meat that has fundementally changed from organically farm raised animal meat. In natural farming enviorment, where cows graze on grass, chickens and pigs run around get unaltered mostly fresh green food and they get natural movement and sun exsposure. Now when the difference is examined, the difference in staggering. The benefical omega fatty acids balance are hugley different, the fat/muscle ratio is different and the hormone in the blood tests are far different. These are some seriously ill animals that are being put on dinner tables.

It's hard to understand why it's not more widely accepted and researched, and why this is essentially not being looked at much closer and acted upon. But nutritionists are certain this is the single most contributing factor to todays epedemic of illnesses and hormonal changes in humans.

This also counts for fruits, vegetables and grains in many countries, wich are laced with sythetic substances in order to get bigger crops. For money of course with no real research behind these structurally changed foods that end up loosing taste and and shape.

Then you have the epidemic of processed foods, for the "convinience" of todays society. A infinite list of additives, preservatives and a slew of sythetic things added to everything, which is disguised so well most people don't taste the crap they're ingesting. Many of these "ingredients" have shown a change in metabolism because their effect on hormone glands.

Ok I don't want to go on as this is starting to come off as a nutrition lesson, so back ON topic to explain what I'm trying to say... Ingesting and being exposed this unnatural lifestyle has been shown to to lower testerone in males/females and increase estrogen in males/females. Now due to this I believe this will bring out the "femine" side in some males. Now don't get excited, this does't mean that males are acting like females (although sometimes... ya, this certainly holds true) but brain chemistry has changed in a way that makes many (too many) have feelings for their own sex. That's right, you heard it here first. For someone to admit they're OK with it, even if you lead a "normal" straight life, seems a tad creepy to me ... which is 85% according to this poll! I'm telling you this is not normal! A far cry from how this type of poll would turn out a couple of generations ago, let alone throughout all human history.

We are as far away from "natural" ways of life, not even mentioning the incredibly insane world that we have created in the last 50 years. But as smart as humans are, we have also created many many problems with the general health of all people. Obese kids, massive spike in cardivascioular disease, cancer, phycological and neurological conditions (sexual orientation ), the list goes on. What are we missing, well probably what I've explained, it may take a while for medical reseach to understand that all these drugs, and medical interventions just cover up the problem, but don't get the to root of the cause. We need alot more fair research on what we're doing wrong, and to focus alot more on prevention and spend less time stirring up concoctions in labs in hope to "fight" the illness when it could almost certainly be prevented. In relation to homosexualism, there would be no "mixed feelings" about sexual orientation, guys want girls, and girls want guys, and would hopes the others to be the same.

I'm not saying that gay tendencies NEVER existed in history because we know there are some stories about it, but for sure not anything close to what we're experiencing in todays world. At this point I'm ashamed to be a human looking at this 85% of peeps being OK with it, but I'm obviously not gonna take these results serious, this is such a small amount of people here... which leads me to think... how many gay simracers are out there? I'm sorry if I have offended any of you "human rights" folks. This poll would have been at LEAST the reverse in "the good 'ol days", but probably more like 95% to 5% against homosexualism. It's NOT normal, nor is it cool.
 
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Haha, I see a lot of flames on the horizon ;)

Well, I am not familiar with this lenghty thread, with what has been discussed and what not, just browsed through the new GTP 11 and here I am, having read your post.
And I try to make it short - your theories about food quality are one thing, but I don't see a connection to homosexuality. It just doesn't work that way. I'll have finished medschool in about 6 weeks ( yay :) finally ) so I know what I'm talking about. Giving males or females small amounts of hormones doesn't influence their sexual orientation. Same goes for growing children. It may be a convenient theory for you, but there is no scientific lead into that direction.

There has always been a certain rate of gay people, I think about 5-10 %. Always have , always will be.

And what you certainly lack is tolerance. So when 85% in this forum are ok with homosexuality - you should ask yourself if maybe the problem is in your head, in your education, in your family.
As I said I have not followed this thread, but I've been in the "creation vs evolution" thread a few years before and it kind of reminds me of this discussion here. Are you by any chance a core religious guy ? ;)

Anyway. Keep the part with the healthy food and forget the rest. Relax, live your straight life and let other people live their life. And try to accept that is not one truth on this planet. It's a matter of opinions, points of view, culture, education and genetics. Some are gay, some believe in god, some like to play GT5 in their spare time, others prefer Forza 3 and not everything can be related to the food industry. Also I'm preety sure the old Greecs didn't eat at McDonalds - yet their is a lot of gay culture in their history...
 
I'm telling you this is not normal! A far cry from how this type of poll would turn out a couple of generations ago, let alone throughout all human history.

Damn right! And as all know, everything was much better back a few decades ago.

I've read quite a few books on the matter actually, namely:
  • '1900-1960: A period were nothing bad ever happened' (2002, Cambridge University Press)
  • 'Things were better before the invention of anything' (2010, Orchard Books)
  • And my personal favourite, 'Three of my children died of consumption, but at least there weren't any lesbians on the telly' (2005, Bloomsbury)

Oh and I think those 'Human rights folks' might just called 'Humans' these days.
 
No
Yes
Yes
Good for the soul :P

Now the same things, only with a male / female couple. Which of those are acceptable?

And what you certainly lack is tolerance. So when 85% in this forum are ok with homosexuality - you should ask yourself if maybe the problem is in your head, in your education, in your family.

This man speaketh the truth. The problem really lies with those who have such a serious problem with others' sexuality, not the people who's sexuality deviates from the "norm".

Personal choice. Not harming you. Live and let live. Blahdy blah. People like occasionalracer are never going to change their opinions or realise that they are a dying breed, I'm never going to stop thinking they're just straight up (pun kinda intended) wrong.
 
People like occasionalracer are never going to change their opinions

I suddenly remember why I left the "creation vs. evolution" thread and never looked back ;)

Then again in this case there might be hope. Because while religious people always have the "scientific facts are either made by the devil or a test of god in your faith" ace in their backhand, this thread and the quoted poster might still be somewhat open to reason and arguments...
 
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