The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[NissanSkylineN1]

So wait, you're saying that homosexuality is not caused by how they're raised? The lifestyles and values in those 3 countries differ quite a bit. And no, I'm not Jewish, Azuremen. I'm Muslim.

 

[Keef]

If parenting methods factor into a child's sexuality then I'd say the more you try to "guarantee" the child will be straight the more likely they'll grow up to be a gay fetish porn star. Kids these days.

 

[Azuremen]

So wait, you're saying that homosexuality is not caused by how they're raised? The lifestyles and values in those 3 countries differ quite a bit. And no, I'm not Jewish, Azuremen. I'm Muslim.

Same difference - all believe in the same God

Homosexuality isn't just a product of nurture, as has been discussed countless times. There is quite a bit of evidence to show that even those raised in highly devout, strictly Christian families may still be gay. My statement on those realizing they are gay after they have families and in their mid-life wasn't fantasy.

In India and China, homophobia is much more common, and that in turn would discourage people from being open about it.

 

[Lissa]

So wait, you're saying that homosexuality is not caused by how they're raised? The lifestyles and values in those 3 countries differ quite a bit. And no, I'm not Jewish, Azuremen. I'm Muslim.

NSN1, my daughter had no gay influences in her upbringing, and she is still gay. She knew at the age of 13 that she wasn't attracted to boys at all, but to girls. I am straight, her father is straight, her two brothers are straight. She isn't. I'm sure if she could 'choose' her sexuality, she wouldn't choose to be of a sexual preference that still, even in this day and age, meets with hostility and prejudice from some quarters.

 

[Azuremen]

Also, on the note of nurture versus nature, I find homophobia far more a product of nurture than nature. Historically, homosexuality was not perceived as an issue (generally) till the teachings of Jewish/Christian/Muslim god began to spread. Case in point would be Japan, which had zero issue with homosexuality till the introduction of Christianity on a larger scale in the 1800's.

 

[Liquid]

The Greeks and possibly the Romans didn't have any problems with homophobia neither, and those are two of the greatest civilisations ever known.

 

[Daniel]

Encouraging homosexuality in China/India won't work. You can't convince somebody to be gay because of the aforementioned "nature vs nurture" argument. We can assume its nature because people still come out to be LBGT from a giant variety of upbringings. For instance, I didn't have any gay influence and I turned out to be just fine. China has the same percentage of LBGT people than Canada. There may be less people who are open about it do it seems that there is less homosexuality in China. Also, encouraging homosexuality in overpopulated countries won't work because you're assuming that gay couples don't want children. They don't say "I can stick this in there but I won't make a baby, so let's give up." Adoption, artificial insemination and surrogacy are three ways a homosexual couple will be able to have a child.

 

[Joel]

What does it even matter if it's a choice or not to be gay? It's all semantics. Even if it were a "choice" there's nothing wrong with it in the slightest. Even think about all the different types of people heterosexuals are attracted to. Some guys like blondes, brunettes, redheads, big boobs, short hair, long hair, the list goes on. Some guys like guys. Some girls like girls.

The question we need to be asking is whether or not homosexuality is moral. And there's really no logical reason to say it isn't. I can't believe that after all this time people still care so much about what other people do in the bedroom.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

You can't compare gender with something minor like hair color.

 

[Exorcet]

You can't compare gender with something minor like hair color.

What makes them different?

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

My two bits
Biologically its a flaw and homosexuality cant be genetic *fact : they cant reproduce so how is an allele carried on?
there's an underlying physiological and hormonal cause to it so it in a sense is a problem but , that dosent make a PERSON BAD.. So i have nothing bad to say about gay's
Now, what i cant stand, is gays who act all out loud and proud and sissy. you don't see me throwing straight pride parades Or yelling im straight ! har har har!!! Same can be said for super perverted and sexually outlandish STRAIGHT men JUST NO!
The thing I firmly believe is a perversion and just straight up nasty is bisexuality, all the people i know who are bi Do it for sexual pleasure and that's about it..Theres a differences between an uncontrollable urge weather it be caused by hormonal and or physiological issues or there just plain out gay and a need for sexual pleasure , bi's for me fit in the same lines as pedophiles.

 

[Encyclopedia]

My two bits
Biologically its a flaw and homosexuality cant be genetic *fact : they cant reproduce so how is an allele carried on?
there's an underlying physiological and hormonal cause to it so it in a sense is a problem but , that dosent make a PERSON BAD.. So i have nothing bad to say about gay's
Now, what i cant stand, is gays who act all out loud and proud and sissy. you don't see me throwing straight pride parades Or yelling im straight ! har har har!!! Same can be said for super perverted and sexually outlandish STRAIGHT men JUST NO!
The thing I firmly believe is a perversion and just straight up nasty is bisexuality, all the people i know who are bi Do it for sexual pleasure and that's about it..Theres a differences between an uncontrollable urge weather it be caused by hormonal and or physiological issues or there just plain out gay and a need for sexual pleasure , bi's for me fit in the same lines as pedophiles.

Wow. Really?

What's so nasty about being attracted to both sexes? Some people think it's the person that is the most important, not gender. Bisexuality doesn't have to be all about sex.

 

[Azuremen]

I'm honestly just seeing a profound amount of ignorance in this thread, most of which is being used as the basis for anti-gay arguments.

It really, really bothers me, given everyone on here more or less has universal access to knowledge on the topic.

 

[Prosthetic]

Bisexuality doesn't have to be all about sex.

Don't even try.. if someone is that ignorant on the subject they could never comprehend the possibility of someone actually being turned on by both sex's. Like you said, its more about the person then anything. I know plenty of bi people that thought they were straight until they actually tried something new and realized they enjoyed it both for both sides... Say a man is 30.. and he had a GF who is 30, they both enjoyed the sex but other things didn't work out and they split.. Then that 30 year old man finds another person who happens to be a 30 year old man.. If they both date and have sex... how exactly is that pedophilia? There is no logic in it.

 

[Danny]

If you consider that we're becoming overpopulated, homosexuality would be a good thing so we won't become even more overpopulated.

You're all welcome.

 

[Joel]

I'm honestly just seeing a profound amount of ignorance in this thread, most of which is being used as the basis for anti-gay arguments.

It really, really bothers me, given everyone on here more or less has universal access to knowledge on the topic.

It's honestly absurd at this point. It's 2012, wake the hell up.

And as for "flaunting their homosexuality", grow up. Do heterosexuals honestly not realize how often they reference their sexuality?

 

[fureddo]

This debate about homosexuality is sterile. What a nonsense these days. Just replace "gay" by racial diversity or gender equity and it suddenly sounds outdated.
People can mate with whomever they want as long as they don't force the other person. In that case, it would be called a rape. What is wrong with the idea of being free to choose which gender people prefer?
Some say it is unnatural. Wrong.
Homosexuality is found amongst other mammals than human as well.
Amongst antique Greek codes of society or samurais, a relationship between two men was considered as true manliness.
Through History and Nature, homosexuality has always been part of our environment. Even if some don't like it, there is nothing to do about it.
The hatred some can have against homosexuals reminds me of the hatred of the aryan so called superior race had against Jewish people.
Or even more recently, the debate about homosexual marriage is reminiscent of the debate about interracial marriage, when black people couldn't get married with white people. Until 1967, the law prohibited interracial marriage. Nowadays people would laugh about such an archaic debate. Let's hope that it won't take another 40 years before homosexuals can have the same rights that anyone else have no matter their gender, color of skin or religion.

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

Don't even try.. if someone is that ignorant on the subject they could never comprehend the possibility of someone actually being turned on by both sex's. Like you said, its more about the person then anything. I know plenty of bi people that thought they were straight until they actually tried something new and realized they enjoyed it both for both sides... Say a man is 30.. and he had a GF who is 30, they both enjoyed the sex but other things didn't work out and they split.. Then that 30 year old man finds another person who happens to be a 30 year old man.. If they both date and have sex... how exactly is that pedophilia? There is no logic in it.

Your whole argument imply's sexuality is a choice , its not.* condescending voice*Oh wait it is .. then yea screw gay people then! sick minded bastards!!!!

 

[theotherspongey]

Your whole argument imply's sexuality is a choice , its not.* condescending voice*Oh wait it is .. then yea screw gay people then! sick minded bastards!!!!

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[TheeFrogmanlego]

This debate about homosexuality is sterile. What a nonsense these days. Just replace "gay" by racial diversity or gender equity and it suddenly sounds outdated.
People can mate with whomever they want as long as they don't force the other person. In that case, it would be called a rape. What is wrong with the idea of being free to choose which gender people prefer?
Some say it is unnatural. Wrong.
Homosexuality is found amongst other mammals than human as well.
Amongst antique Greek codes of society or samurais, a relationship between two men was considered as true manliness.
Through History and Nature, homosexuality has always been part of our environment. Even if some don't like it, there is nothing to do about it.
The hatred some can have against homosexuals reminds me of the hatred of the aryan so called superior race had against Jewish people.
Or even more recently, the debate about homosexual marriage is reminiscent of the debate about interracial marriage, when black people couldn't get married with white people. Until 1967, the law prohibited interracial marriage. Nowadays people would laugh about such an archaic debate. Let's hope that it won't take another 40 years before homosexuals can have the same rights that anyone else have no matter their gender, color of skin or religion.

Homosexuality is found in nature . but by all means does not mean its normal, the animal would be inferior since he cannot genetically reproduce, faulty, broken animal , further proving my point its not genetic and or natural rather than a huge problem such as being bipolar or adhd.. you cant cure it just let them be , but by no means is it "normal" . Now as to my views on Bisexuality, Perverse as it is , some people get sexually aroused by children , dunno why but it just happens , bisexuality is the same way, homosexual people cant help being attracted to there own sex, bisexuals CHOOSE to be so unless there gay and dont have the guys to come out and live there lives in the closet.

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

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Well that's the whole argument allot of gays make is they don't choose to be so ..
Now hats it gonna be? Gays are gay because they choose to be so or the overwhelming majority that they don't? Ima go ask my Professor , hes gonna slap me for even asking..

 

[theotherspongey]

So since i'm bisexual, i'm not normal and i'm going to live the rest of my life in a closet? And i'm a 14 year old pedophile?

You think I chose to be bisexual? I'd rather be hetero so I don't have to feel so damn uncomfortable around my other same gender friends. But, since I "chose" to be that way, I won't ever lose that feeling. I've been bisexual since 5; yes, 5. I had noticed I had more guy friends than girl friends, and it's been that way for years.

 

[FoolKiller]

bi's for me fit in the same lines as pedophiles.

Yes, because two consenting adults having sexual relations, no matter their gender, is exactly the same as raping a minor.

Your whole argument imply's sexuality is a choice , its not.* condescending voice*Oh wait it is .. then yea screw gay people then! sick minded bastards!!!!

Choice or not, why do you care? Does it matter who someone other than you is having a relationship, sexual or otherwise, with?

 

[Encyclopedia]

Homosexuality is found in nature . but by all means does not mean its normal, the animal would be inferior since he cannot genetically reproduce, faulty, broken animal , further proving my point its not genetic and or natural rather than a huge problem such as being bipolar or adhd.. you cant cure it just let them be , but by no means is it "normal" . Now as to my views on Bisexuality, Perverse as it is , some people get sexually aroused by children , dunno why but it just happens , bisexuality is the same way, homosexual people cant help being attracted to there own sex, bisexuals CHOOSE to be so unless there gay and dont have the guys to come out and live there lives in the closet.

Where did you get that idea from? Why would bisexuality be a choice?

No one chooses what to be attracted to.

 

[Azuremen]

Well that's the whole argument allot of gays make is they don't choose to be so ..
Now hats it gonna be? Gays are gay because they choose to be so or the overwhelming majority that they don't? Ima go ask my Professor , hes gonna slap me for even asking..

Where do you go to school, if I may ask? More so, college?

 

[fureddo]

Homosexuality is found in nature . but by all means does not mean its normal, the animal would be inferior since he cannot genetically reproduce, faulty, broken animal , further proving my point its not genetic and or natural rather than a huge problem such as being bipolar or adhd.. you cant cure it just let them be , but by no means is it "normal" . Now as to my views on Bisexuality, Perverse as it is , some people get sexually aroused by children , dunno why but it just happens , bisexuality is the same way, homosexual people cant help being attracted to there own sex, bisexuals CHOOSE to be so unless there gay and dont have the guys to come out and live there lives in the closet.

If found in nature why isn't it normal? What do you define by "normal"?
Being homosexual doesn't necessarily mean your semen is fertile. If its not a disease or a genetic problem then what is wrong homosexuality?
Last, your dangerously amalgam bisexuality and pedophilia. You change the subject on a very dangerous way. Forcing a minor to have sexual intercourse is morally wrong and must be punished with the most extreme severity.
Being attracted by both male and female species has nothing to do with child abuse.
What is wrong with loving both genders? Does this person force you to have a relation with you? If not, why not letting this person decide freely how to live his/her life without judging? Who are you to decide what is right and what is wrong?
In some countries, it is normal to convict women to stoning for the simple fact of wearing a pair of pants instead of the burqa; and thinking otherwise is punished by the same type of law and highly condemned by common sense.
What do you think of such a normality?

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

I've been bisexual since 5; yes, 5. I had noticed I had more guy friends than girl friends, and it's been that way for years.

LOL What boy at the age of 5 doesn't have more guy friends than girl friends? I was a no sexual when I was 5. I still have a lot more guy friends than woman friends. Guys like stuff like fishing, hunting, sports, etc. more than women.

 

[Encyclopedia]

LOL What boy at the age of 5 doesn't have more guy friends than girl friends? I was a no sexual when I was 5. I still have a lot more guy friends than woman friends. Guys like stuff like fishing, hunting, sports, etc. more than women.

Theotherspongey is a girl.

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

Theotherspongey is a girl.

I'm a guy which is why I referred to "guy". The point is the same.

 

[theotherspongey]

It's not the same at all...