The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

[Dennisch]

I tried, r0llinlacs, I really did, I couldn't find anything, just a few links to sites that weren't really that relevant. I was hoping you could summarise in a paragraph, so far your replies have not really offered anything.

And I suppose that is why you aren't a scientist or a lawyer?

He is also no longer a member.

Edit.

Tree'd.

 

[TenEightyOne]

If the CC's reduced, then your standards get reduced. Bit like minimum wage. I was only using it as an example, not intending to write a thesis. If I knew more about the curricula, then I'd post a thread about it.

Then why argue on it? Saying CC being reduced reduces standards is actually an attack on teaching, it's a teachers job to extend the curriculum. Or multiple curricula.

EDIT: OMG, the Illimunati got R0llinacs!

 

[Enemem]

Then why argue on it? Saying CC being reduced reduces standards is actually an attack on teaching, it's a teachers job to extend the curriculum. Or multiple curricula.

EDIT: OMG, the Illimunati got R0llinacs!

It's not an attack on teaching, it's an attack on whoever set the CC. And yes, I agree , teachers should extend from the CC. If you want to start a thread saying that teaching is getting better, then feel free. Why argue?

 

[TenEightyOne]

It's not an attack on teaching, it's an attack on whoever set the CC. And yes, I agree , teachers should extend from the CC. If you want to start a thread saying that teaching is getting better, then feel free. Why argue?

"If the CC's reduced, then your standards get reduced".

That's what you said, and it's bunkum. Also, the CC isn't alive, it requires human intervention to deliver it...from teachers. I wasn't trying to argue, merely to say that in my opinion your statement was incorrect.

 

[Dotini]

Nine bankers dead in the last few weeks. Did they know something we don't? Is this a conspiracy? The Forex and JP Morgan Chase seem to be common threads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/another-successful-banker-found-dead

Apparently an article concerning gold price manipulation was censored or accidentally deleted from the Financial Times.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-25/here-fts-gold-price-manipulation-article-was-removed

And another rumor of financial collapse.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/26/fasten-your-seatbelts-the-coming-global-monetary-reset/

 

[Enemem]

"If the CC's reduced, then your standards get reduced".

That's what you said, and it's bunkum. Also, the CC isn't alive, it requires human intervention to deliver it...from teachers. I wasn't trying to argue, merely to say that in my opinion your statement was incorrect.

That's great if everyone is getting smarter, but if they're getting dumber, then welcome to idiocracy!

PS http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...re-initiative-dumbing-down-americas-students/

Hey, I'm pretty sure these guys know more than me and you. Now can you find a relevant expert witness. Or possibly refute them, yourself.

 

[Pupik]

Hey, I'm pretty sure these guys know more than me and you. Now can you find a relevant expert witness. Or possibly refute them, yourself.

Common Core is influenced by successes in other countries and was never drafted with full scrutiny from the public.

Because if the public was directly involved, the Ten Commandments would replace the public school code, Fox News and CNN would create history textbooks, Greenpeace would teach science, Amazon would compel reading, PETA would get involved with health studies, Wal-Mart would create a social studies curriculum, McDonald's would serve all the meals, the NRA would teach civics, and the Bicycle Playing Card company would teach math. Now there's a healthy curriculum loaded with Vitamin F.

Don't get me wrong, the common core is reviled by loads of teachers, because it's become an even more cumbersome chore...but take your kid out of one school system and into another, and there's a big reason to have some sort of consistency, since many states do not have an equal education system from one another. The problem lies in that you usually wind up levelling-off the top when this kind of playing field is crafted.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Hey, I'm pretty sure these guys know more than me and you. Now can you find a relevant expert witness. Or possibly refute them, yourself.

Quite happy to refute them, it sounds like the real problem is there a lack of extension of standards by the school authorities (which can be a worryingly un-policed area in education), this is a Common Core, not a full curriculum.

The part where the female mathematics expert showed her horror at a potential alternative method to division for people who can't follow "the traditional" method. I've actually kept that to use in training myself, it's hysterical.

You really think that starting a curriculum with pure exposure to "the classics" is a great inclusive basepoint? In practice it isn't, and actually you'll find academics unable to agree on the core "classics" any way.

Extension to more difficult and less relevant material is part of a sensitive and appropriate extended curriculum. Shakespeare was no more relevant to the person I was at school than it is now, fascinating though he is to study once one's prepared for the work. Heresy, I know

 

[Dotini]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...e-websites-intending-manipulate-deceive-and-d
"In the annals of internet conspiracy theories, none is more pervasive than the one speculating paid government plants infiltrate websites, social network sites, and comment sections with an intent to sow discord, troll, and generally manipulate, deceive and destroy reputations. Guess what: it was all true."

 

[TenEightyOne]

But did anyone doubt that it would be? That's how police and governments have operated (as a concept) for as long as, I don't know, time itself. Court spies and agents provocateurs (or is that underwear?) circulated to spread rumour and dissent.

Nowadays they work-from-home, but the principle remains

 

[Dotini]

But did anyone doubt that it would be?

Formerly, it has been respectable to doubt it; to believe a comforting, pleasant lie. I would prefer that the ugly, brutal truth not be forced into my face. I do not want to confront it.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Formerly, it has been respectable to doubt it; to believe a comforting, pleasant lie. I would prefer that the ugly, brutal truth not be forced into my face. I do not want to confront it.

Certainly was a blissful period

 

[Enemem]

Quite happy to refute them, it sounds like the real problem is there a lack of extension of standards by the school authorities (which can be a worryingly un-policed area in education), this is a Common Core, not a full curriculum.

The part where the female mathematics expert showed her horror at a potential alternative method to division for people who can't follow "the traditional" method. I've actually kept that to use in training myself, it's hysterical.

You really think that starting a curriculum with pure exposure to "the classics" is a great inclusive basepoint? In practice it isn't, and actually you'll find academics unable to agree on the core "classics" any way.

Extension to more difficult and less relevant material is part of a sensitive and appropriate extended curriculum. Shakespeare was no more relevant to the person I was at school than it is now, fascinating though he is to study once one's prepared for the work. Heresy, I know

Maybe you don't get the point of "the classics"? There's a reason why they are so called.

For example, we live in, what is to me anyway, a particularly skewed world. Where heroes aren't, where political correctness has gone mad, television is generally pap, it's part of our heritage. The not-yet-educated need to understand that bribery and corruption has always been part of the political process, conspiracies. The governments of today learned from the classics, why shouldn't we. Mythology, Philosophy. Slavery.

Whether the 'experts' agree in what constitutes a 'classic' is of no importance, disgreements don't invalidate their educational value.

 

[Azuremen]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...e-websites-intending-manipulate-deceive-and-d
"In the annals of internet conspiracy theories, none is more pervasive than the one speculating paid government plants infiltrate websites, social network sites, and comment sections with an intent to sow discord, troll, and generally manipulate, deceive and destroy reputations. Guess what: it was all true."

It is really hard to take anything serious when the slides look so inconsistent and are "stamped" with "SECRET" at the bottom. Especially when it is very easy to make crappy looking slides and sell people on an idea like this, given how it is the basis for most counter-intelligence and sabotage strategies.

Just saying.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Maybe you don't get the point of "the classics"? There's a reason why they are so called.

For example, we live in, what is to me anyway, a particularly skewed world. Where heroes aren't, where political correctness has gone mad, television is generally pap, it's part of our heritage. The not-yet-educated need to understand that bribery and corruption has always been part of the political process, conspiracies. The governments of today learned from the classics, why shouldn't we. Mythology, Philosophy. Slavery.

Whether the 'experts' agree in what constitutes a 'classic' is of no importance, disgreements don't invalidate their educational value.

Tosh. Think of a Core In An Apple. It's like the middle bit, then there's some more stuff outside it. Then think of a Core Curriculum, the very basics that your little apple needs to have a basis for life. Not all students are going to be part of government, some know they aren't going to attain well educationally and so the system needs to prepare them more appropriately for life than making them watch Shakespeare.

It's only the core after all, anyone with more of an appetite for academic studies has the fantastic juicy outside bit to look forward to.

Core Curriculum <> Absolutely Everything That Gets Taught

Political Correctness Gone Mad == That Old Chestnut

 

[Enemem]

Tosh. Minimum wage should be, the minimum wage that an employer should be paying (the core), but it translates to the wage that is paid (Or the core is the only thing they have to do, reduce the core and it reduces the apple).

Mimimum wage = Minimum that should be paid = everything that gets paid, by skinflint bosses.
Common core = Minimum that should be taught = everything that gets taught, by a poor teacher.

And whilst you will continue to argue, I won't. Your logic is as valid as mine.

Old chestnuts are, as opposed to aren't.

 

[Scaff]

Tosh. Minimum wage should be, the minimum wage that an employer should be paying (the core), but it translates to the wage that is paid (Or the core is the only thing they have to do, reduce the core and it reduces the apple).

So your suggesting that the minimum wage is what gets paid because that's the minimum an employer has to?

Could you then explain why that's not even remotely the case and why witin my company not a single person is paid the minimum wage and the team I run are paid far, far higher than it?

Generalisation such as this isn't a good idea because its rarely accurate.

Mimimum wage = Minimum that should be paid = everything that gets paid, by skinflint bosses.
Common core = Minimum that should be taught = everything that gets taught, by a poor teacher.

And whilst you will continue to argue, I won't. Your logic is as valid as mine.

Old chestnuts are, as opposed to aren't.

Do you work in education?

I do (private sector), as does my wife (public sector) and quite frankly what you are suggesting is again a gross generalisation that is so far from accurate (as far as the UK is concerned) as to be nonsense.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Common core = Minimum that should be taught = everything that gets taught, by a poor teacher.

And whilst you will continue to argue, I won't.

Very well, I'll leave this here for others.

I'm not using the logic to decide what the word "core" means in the sense of a Core Curriculum, I used a simple (and slightly antagonistic, so I apologise) example to show that the Core Curriculum is a base. It isn't the proximal limit, it's just a base curriculum of the absolute basics. Everything else is added per requirement. You don't have a core if there's never anything around it.

I'm happy to debate minimum wage points in another thread but the example as you presented it here doesn't really match up.

If you want to debate how curricula are set then that would be great fun too, there are plenty of people around GTP who would wipe the floor with us both, so bring your facts

 

[Enemem]

So your suggesting that the minimum wage is what gets paid because that's the minimum an employer has to?

Could you then explain why that's not even remotely the case and why witin my company not a single person is paid the minimum wage and the team I run are paid far, far higher than it?

Luck. And I can probably justify it. But, it would require you to reveal more than you might deem acceptable. And I feel that it would generate no useful discussion. But, in what sector, location, how many people work for the company and what is their turn-over, would maybe be enough for me to explain. On the flip side, maybe you can tell me why you're not paid minimum wage?

Generalisation such as this isn't a good idea because its rarely accurate.

I'd say it was nearer to "generalisation is always a lie.

Do you work in education?

I do (private sector), as does my wife (public sector) and quite frankly what you are suggesting is again a gross generalisation that is so far from accurate (as far as the UK is concerned) as to be nonsense.

No. Not officially, unofficially we are all in education.
Fair enough.

[rhetorical post to stop thread-derailment].

 

[Scaff]

Luck. And I can probably justify it. But, it would require you to reveal more than you might deem acceptable. And I feel that it would generate no useful discussion. But, in what sector, location, how many people work for the company and what is their turn-over, would maybe be enough for me to explain. On the flip side, maybe you can tell me why you're not paid minimum wage?

Luck has nothing at all to do with it, I didn't set staff wages based on 'luck' I set them based on ability, demand and a whole host of factors, not one of which was luck.

I'd say it was nearer to "generalisation is always a lie.

Then please explain why you are repeatedly using them?

No. Not officially, unofficially we are all in education.
Fair enough.

[rhetorical post to stop thread-derailment].

Being educated and being an educator and understanding what is involved in it are quite, quite different things.

 

[Enemem]

Rhetorical. Generalisations are one of the weapons of propaganda.
Back on topic.

Agenda 21

 

[TenEightyOne]

Agenda 21

Sorry, what are you saying with that post?

 

[Furinkazen]

Sorry, what are you saying with that post?

Nothing apparently. He just generalised a generalisation.

 

[Pupik]

Probably something about FEMA concentration camps, drinking Victory Gin, banding together in case of an alien invasion, secret killer bee-shark mutation plans, or actually laying out some sort of groundwork for getting our crap together as humanity, however flawed.

 

[niky]

Sorry, what are you saying with that post?

It's a generalization of ecological preservation measures being used as propaganda.

Am I doing it right?

 

[Enemem]

Well, the fact that it's an agenda would indicate "the set of goals of an ideological group". What exactly is the purpose of this agenda? Is the stated agendae the 'real' agenda?

And if you don't want to play nice, then don't play. Some of those posts look like spam.

 

[niky]

Well:

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

Non-binding means it's not ironclad, thus: you don't have to follow it if you don't want. Voluntary means basically the same thing.

A perusal of the proposals shows it is mostly concerned with social development and sustainable use of natural resources. You can use the wilderness, just make sure it's in roughly the same shape it was before you started using it when you're done.

And I don't get why it's so scary, as the Republican Party has successfully passed legislation banning its adoption in a number of states. Ergo: They've banned the states from voluntarily agreeing to a non-binding agreement. With the force of law.

I would figure the Illuminati would be in with the big-business Republican Party, or is it possible that Agenda 21 isn't an Illuminati plot?

 

[Enemem]

Part of the U.N. Agenda 21 plan is, as U.N. environmental policy-maker Maurice Strong said, to eliminate the middle class. He said that the middle class way of life is not 'sustainable'; whereas, of course, the way of life of those who are sometimes called the 'global elite', with their private jets and trains and fleets of cars and palaces, will continue to be very sustainable.
Hence we are seeing such huge rises in fuel costs, taxes, restrictions on small businesses. Meanwhile, the 'global elite' pay minimal taxes, and are frequently subsidised by taxpayers.

niky -

You can use the wilderness, just make sure it's in roughly the same shape it was before you started using it when you're done.

How does this fit in with fracking?

 

[niky]

Part of the U.N. Agenda 21 plan is, as U.N. environmental policy-maker Maurice Strong said, to eliminate the middle class. He said that the middle class way of life is not 'sustainable'; whereas, of course, the way of life of those who are sometimes called the 'global elite', with their private jets and trains and fleets of cars and palaces, will continue to be very sustainable.
Hence we are seeing such huge rises in fuel costs, taxes, restrictions on small businesses. Meanwhile, the 'global elite' pay minimal taxes, and are frequently subsidised by taxpayers.

niky - How does this fit in with fracking?

Citation required for how Agenda 21 is pro-rich rather than being completely anti-wealth.

And on the second, how does fracking fit into Agenda 21?

 

[TenEightyOne]

@Emenem

Have you read Maurice Strong's quotes for yourself or considered what he meant? He's a very well known figure (especially after that massive fraud allegation) and not unheard of outside the mad community. Many reasonable (and by definition left-field) people heard that speech and didn't bat a lentil-dusted eyelid. Why do you think that was? Perhaps they understood the context.

First hit on Google, 'Soldier for Liberty'. Takes 'your' side (I think) on the view. Would you agree?

And on the second, how does fracking fit into Agenda 21?

Oh yes please, I know fracking