- 31,544
- Buckwheat City
- Dennisch
The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread
- Thread starter Ryanswannell
- 1,372 comments
- 84,845 views
Scaff
Moderator
- 29,399
- He/Him
- ScaffUK
Well actually you do, you made the claim.
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/
http://www.fbi.gov/
You can even apply for jobs with both, they are quite open and public bodies.
You can even watch the heads of GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 being questioned by MPs here:
I'm sure you will be doing the same in a short while for the Illuminati.
I honestly can't wait. Fish, barrels and guns all spring to mind given the current quality of debate.
Scaff
Moderator
- 29,399
- He/Him
- ScaffUK
What proof do you have either way. That's the key here.
I have no doubt at all that many in power have conducted themselves in many different ways, for many different reasons and done some truly good and truly terrible things. None of that however points to a secret global organisation controlling the entire world.
Nor does history support any claim that one has being doing so, and the utter lack of evidence from anyone kind of supports that position.
Who's job?
I was being kind.
Enemem
(Banned)
- 304
- Planet Earth
- Enemem
Exactly my point.
Shush...it's a secret. But we do know of, non-secret organisations who are doing that right now.
Was the utter necessary? So, you're asking me, to prove that there is a 'secret cabal' or possibly 'not so secret cabal' that, at some point in time, was trying to rule the world. History was never my strongpoint.
I figured it out.
You all still trying to figure out how to prove the F B I exists?
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
r0llinlacs
(Banned)
- 233
- r0llinlacs
How about you all prove the Illuminati DOESN'T exist??
Sorry, but to demand proof of a secret conspiracy theory is blatant ignorance of the definition of both words conspiracy and theory. Conspiracy theories are just that, theories. A theory with proof is no longer a theory or conspiracy.
/thread
Enemem
(Banned)
- 304
- Planet Earth
- Enemem
Very tricky to prove something doesn't exist. In fact, only slightly more difficult than proving a secret society runs the world. Eh Famine?
Anyone going to try to prove that Santa doesn't exist?
Last edited:
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Rich considering you cannot give any grounding or solid evidence for proof of the Illuminati.
Just about sums up the state of this thread.
Once any of you show conclusive proof and evidence the Illuminati exists, then maybe people will stop perceiving you all as acting like a bunch of muppets.
Oh look, north pole has a website. Well show proof in the outside world. FBI has a whacking great big building, Undeniable proof. Show me the Illuminati's one. Oh wait, there isn't one is there?
- 7,601
- Exorcet
- OE Exorcet
Can't be done, so there is no point in trying. It's not how proof works anyway. Claimant bears the burden of proof.
A theory requires a lot of proof to be a theory. Other than that, there is some ironic truth here.
- 27,205
- United Kingdom
I dunno, at least one person found it funny. And I daresay more than one other person would say it's true.
Still, you don't get to decide what I do and don't say. I'd say it's entirely within my right to observe that someone dismissing entirely sensible posts from people like Famine and Scaff is talking with at least one item of his nether regions. The only real difficulty is determining which part that is.
More like a hobby.
Enemem
(Banned)
- 304
- Planet Earth
- Enemem
Really. I could show you any building in London, if it didn't have illuminati incorporated over the front door, you wouldn't believe it.
Enemem said
Still, you don't get to decide what I do and don't say. I'd say it's entirely within my right to observe that someone dismissing entirely sensible posts from people like Famine and Scaff is talking with at least one item of his nether regions.
I never said you couldn't say it, merely that it wasn't pertinent. Feel free to talk about, no skin off my feet.
More like a hobby.
How do you know it's not his job?
Enemem said
Still, you don't get to decide what I do and don't say. I'd say it's entirely within my right to observe that someone dismissing entirely sensible posts from people like Famine and Scaff is talking with at least one item of his nether regions.
I never said you couldn't say it, merely that it wasn't pertinent. Feel free to talk about, no skin off my feet.
More like a hobby.
How do you know it's not his job?
r0llinlacs
(Banned)
- 233
- r0llinlacs
https://www.northpole.com/
Very tricky to prove something doesn't exist. In fact, only slightly more difficult than proving a secret society runs the world. Eh Famine?
Anyone going to try to prove that Santa doesn't exist?
Santa Claus did exist, just not the same one you believe delivers Christmas presents to every child in the world.
Saint Nicholas was a real man who lived in Germany.
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
A theory is a theory until proof is shown. Illuminati is a theoretical organisation. Why? Because no proof exists to turn it from theory into fact. If you cannot prove the existence of something, stop trying to spin it around into "How about you all prove the Illuminati DOESN'T exist??". Apart from smacking of "I've lost the argument and I am desperate, if you come to a forum discussion topic or anything approaching a debating thread, you should at last have enough proof. I have just shown picture proof of the FBI's existence. Now show me your Illuminati proof.
Enemem
(Banned)
- 304
- Planet Earth
- Enemem
Theory requires no proofs, otherwise it's not a theory.
And no-one here has proved to me that the F B I exists. Or that Santa doesn't.
By definition conspiracy theories are never true. Because when proved they cease to be theories. That's the loop that all the people arguing against the illuminati being real, have on their side.
Do books written about the illuminati count as evidence? No.
Do documents produced by the F B I count as evidence? No.
What about the protocols of Zion? No.
PNAC ? No.
Constitution? No.
Magna Carta? No.
Assuming the final 3 documents exist. Could you prove they existed, if they'd been destroyed a year after they'd been written?
Are you getting this yet? On an internet forum, nothing can be proved. Possible facts may be shared and personal observations enjoyed, but you will never prove anything to someone who doesn't know, what they don't know. Hence the Plato's Allegory reference.
There may be a way to get around this little problem though.
Change the OP original question to :----
Is there any evidence affairs of the world are being guided by a hidden hand?
Of course, it could be that the hidden-hand is a bunch of good guys.
The problem then becomes that they're by definition 'hidden'.
It's not the who's doing it, that's important. It's the what's happening, that is all important.
Last edited:
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
r0llinlacs
(Banned)
- 233
- r0llinlacs
- 862
- Northamptonshire
- Ryanswannell
How has a debate about the existence of the Illuminati turned into a thread about trying to prove the FBI is real (even though it clearly is, the pictures posted above are evidence of that, as if they were needed)?
- 7,601
- Exorcet
- OE Exorcet
That's a hypothesis.
I'm not surprised. I think given the mindset of the supporting side, it's a reasonable question. It leads to a good answer too. The FBI evidence doesn't stand alone.
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Similar threads
