The IS F, what is it, exactly?

[The Outlaw]

I'm about to give up on you. This is what we've been arguing about for several post now: (Your earlier statement) "They know what they are doing - more than AMG, more than RS, more than F. They might be "expensive" but nothing major goes wrong, you cannot find a fault with German engines or transmissions, you might have electrical problems but they are built smart."

For several post now I've been pointing out that this is COMPLETE bullcrap, because consumer reports tell you that Lexus knows how to build a MUCH more dependable and reliable car than the BMW, especially compared to BMW's M division. This is also a reason why some people go with the Japanese mark over the German mark...for better reliability down the road. Do you get it? Being that you're a delusioned fanboy I don't have much hope though...

Yes, the M3 is likely the more satisfying car to drive at the limit than the IS-F...I completely agree with you on that one 👍 So if you're buying the car for ONLY driving satisfaction and performance at the LIMIT you would go with the M undoubtedly...but then again if you're so worried about that, you may as well go with a Porsche as I stated earlier. The thing is, most people who drive and own either of these cars in REALITY (are you listening?) are more concerned about the daily driving attributes of the car, not how much it excites the driver when driving like a nut down the road. They are more mature than to be driving down every road at the threshold of the performance. Sorry but again your opinions of what's proper isn't the end all be all.

Some people buy the IS-F because they enjoy the more usable grunt of the 5.0 liter in everyday driving situations, more comfort, better dependability, and hey they may just like the looks more...but that's not acceptable in your "my opinion in holier than thous" mindset. That's why some people by the ISF over the M3 to answer your original question...although I'm not sure why you're asking the question to begin with considering you'll take nothing less than something that goes smoothly in agreement with your thoughts. I already answered that question earlier btw, but you blew right over it, as you got so excited when I said the IS-F had a more throaty, rumbly (nascar) engine and exhaust note...a more traditional American V8 sound that some people DO enjoy more. Sorry if that hurts you...

Lastly, I suggest you go test drive the cars in real life, if you even hold a drivers license to your name. A review like the one you did just makes you look like a fanboy of the M-division by trying to put down the Lexus in some video game that doesn't come near to exactly replicating ONLY the driving traits of boths cars in real life. Everything else is completely forgotten in the game, such as the comfort of the car, stereo, etc, etc.

 

[EERS4YEARS]

I personally believe the game doesnt represent the car as well as it should. I drive a Hyundai XG350L (optioned out!) first of all. Tanner Foust has driven the Audi R8 on SuperCars Exposed several times, and he raves about it, but it sucks on GT5P. Take the games representation of the cars with a BOX of salt. Its a game. If Hyundai was on here it would dominate all!!!!!

 

[PaganiC12]

I personally believe the game doesnt represent the car as well as it should. I drive a Hyundai XG350L (optioned out!) first of all. Tanner Foust has driven the Audi R8 on SuperCars Exposed several times, and he raves about it, but it sucks on GT5P. Take the games representation of the cars with a BOX of salt. Its a game. If Hyundai was on here it would dominate all!!!!!

A tuned R8 kills in Prologue.

And, timeattack, Lexus's don't have the same history, feel, or passion as any BMW. I drive an E90 328i and you can just TELL. The car just wants to be driven. A Lexus will always be a Lexus, their priorities are completely different.

And, the build quality I am talking about is overall. The design, the engineering, the safety, the performance. It's a complete package - and Lexus does not have better engineers than BMW, looking at their cars. It's obvious when sitting in one of their cars. I am not doubting Honda or Toyota's ability to build good cars for the price. They are create for $15-30,000. But when you are talking $60-70,000... I cannot imagine buying an IS F over an M3. An M3 can definitely settle down and be a quiet, comfortable car. And on the track, or at a red light, or at an autocross, a BMW will always be above its competition.

 

[The Outlaw]

A tuned R8 kills in Prologue.

And, timeattack, Lexus's don't have the same history, feel, or passion as any BMW. I drive an E90 328i and you can just TELL. The car just wants to be driven. A Lexus will always be a Lexus, their priorities are completely different.

I agree to an extent 👍 The Bimmers definately loved to be driven hard. The Lexus is meant to do so as well, but doesn't give you nearly as much confidence and connection like you get with the M's The Lexus, specifically the IS-F doesn't quite have the history, feel or passion of the M3 either. This doesn't mean that the IS-F doesn't accel in other areas a potential buyer might find just as important, if not moreso than the history, passion, and feel of the car. Such things as torque, comfort, Toyota like reliability, great customer service, brakes, and looks may be some aspects that attract a PARTICULAR person to the IS-F. This is something you must accept if you want to argue in a respectful and understanding manner, otherwise you just look opionated and biased.

And, the build quality I am talking about is overall. The design, the engineering, the safety, the performance. It's a complete package - and Lexus does not have better engineers than BMW, looking at their cars. It's obvious when sitting in one of their cars. I am not doubting Honda or Toyota's ability to build good cars for the price. They are create for $15-30,000. But when you are talking $60-70,000... I cannot imagine buying an IS F over an M3. An M3 can definitely settle down and be a quiet, comfortable car. And on the track, or at a red light, or at an autocross, a BMW will always be above its competition.

Yea, up until this point BMW has always had a edge when it came to driving dynamics and track performance...nothing has changed with the lastest iteration. Pull up to a redlight though...don't be suprised if you end up seeing the IS-F's ugly stacked exhaust blowing Yamaha smoke in your face

I think we're getting somewhere though

 

[PaganiC12]

I still do not see why somebody would trade the holy M3 for an IS F. I guess it's just blasphemy to do such from where I come from.

 

[EERS4YEARS]

I have Never seen a R8 win a race.

 

[Boffin]

I have Never seen a R8 win a race.

In time attack mode, it beat the Carrera 2S (it's biggest rival) at the top gear test track.

Pagani ; If you want to do more reviews, you might want to try here instead of starting a new thread eveytime.👍

 

[Anghammarad]

I cannot imagine buying an IS F over an M3.

I can. Easily.

 

[PaganiC12]

In time attack mode, it beat the Carrera 2S (it's biggest rival) at the top gear test track.

Pagani ; If you want to do more reviews, you might want to try here instead of starting a new thread eveytime.👍

I was looking for this thread... Thanks.

I can. Easily.

 

[The Outlaw]

In time attack mode, it beat the Carrera 2S (it's biggest rival) at the top gear test track.

Try buying a new R8 for sticker though and you'll find that they're more in range with the Porsche Turbo in terms of price. Most if not all dealers are tacking on $30k markups for a new R8, which they usually get quite easily thanks to such limited production and demand.

If I was more worried about track performance I would just go with a 997 GT3 (109k MSRP) which would easily beat both cars on any track 👍

OMG...the world is coming to an end

 

[Wolfe]

Wow...take it easy there fanboy. Please explain how I'm trolling???

You don't see the folly in claiming a huge disparity in the reliability of brand-new sports saloons that have barely been in production for a year, based only upon your own anecdotal evidence with older models (related only by manufacturer) and inherently flawed (IMO) consumer survey data?

How about responding with malice to a simple thread in a videogame forum offering a brief magazine-style comparison of two virtual cars, judging another member's opinion as invalid simply because they didn't consider certain factors you think would be important in a real life comparison?

How about making hypocritical accusations?

you come off as acting like your opinion is the holy grail, even though it is incorrect in some cases.

I'm not BIASED, I'm just speaking the TRUTH which you are unable to accept On the whole, the German cars Japanese rivals are much more reliable and that's a FACT...

How about holding PaganiC12 to a double standard, acknowledging yourself that GT5 can't replicate the real-world qualities you think deserve more attention, yet still lambasting him for making this comparion without mentioning those qualities? The only option you've left him is to say nothing at all -- because obviously he shouldn't be allowed to share his opinion about two videogame cars in the forum dedicated to the game in which they appear.

 

[The Outlaw]

I went back and read post #9 from Pagani and realized that I failed to comprehend exactly what he meant when he said his review wasn't intended to be realistic, assuming he meant that it holds absolutely NO merit in reality? If that's the case, which it sounds like it is, I just want to apologize for coming off as a complete argumentative jackass

I wasn't at all trying to troll by going against his more than acceptable review, if it truly was just a virtual review with no intentions of using the review to judge each car in reality. Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part

 

[EERS4YEARS]

I thought Pagani was talking about real life also. They are both really cheap in the game, but he talks about going out and spending "all that money." Whatever the case maybe, its just a Camry with a V8 . lol. I wouldnt buy that crap in real life or the game.

 

[L_Hamilton]

 

[The Outlaw]

I thought Pagani was talking about real life also. They are both really cheap in the game, but he talks about going out and spending "all that money."

Some of the dramatic writing and sarcasm made me think that to...like when he said "Why would you spend all of that money to get a car that doesn't please you?", even though money/credits aren't an issue whatsoever when deciding on which car to buy in the game...at least for most people on here who play GT5P. The fact that the review was written in such a serious manner also made me question what his intentions were.

 

[PaganiC12]

You guys don't even need me 👍

This thread was talking about the cars as they are in the game, and 70,000CR is a lot of money. It's like 6 laps of Fuji, that's some insane stuff. Lots of sweat goes on my wheel in those 8 minutes.

 

[Anghammarad]

Oh it was about he cars in the game. In the game the BMW is clearly quicker than the Lexus. I would still choose an IS-F over a M3 in real life though, to me the owner of a M3 is just a chav with too much money.

"Camry with a V8" Hilarious. Just like a M3 is a 318 with a sport kit.