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He won by shoving McNish wide, after the Starworks car had already lost a ton of bodywork..
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He won by shoving McNish wide, after the Starworks car had already lost a ton of bodywork..
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hawkeye122
So? A win is a win, damage is a factor of racing.
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My point is Almindinger didn't win, but Starworks lost.
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hawkeye122
How didn't he win? He didn't damage the car like they did.
I think he's a better road course driver than ovals. At least NASCAR. Wasted talent.
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But he did...
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The first shove wasn't intentional on the banking, It was Allan's that was intentional along with running AJ off the road into turn 1. You make it seem like AJ was driving a moron when it was Allan that did most of the aggressive driving. AJ won because he was quick and the starworks car had a massive loss of downforce and simply couldn't keep up when they needed to.
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No, I know that they "Technically" did win. But the race was there for Starworks, and they threw it away. The other team just happened to be in 2nd place at the time. Which is how racing works, I'm aware.
Same thing as BMW vs Toyota at Le Mans. It was all Toyota's, until they ran into trouble, and BMW won.
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Still, a win is a win. Last night at the Jr Rotax (kart) race, my friend was dominating the whole race. In the second to last corner, the kid in second place ran him over, and the third placed kart came by and won. Just bad luck. A win is a win. Take them whenever you can get them. 
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Are you seriously arguing this point? No matter how you put it he outright won the race! If we go see it your way it was then Ganassi racing who lost the race, not Starworks and AJ didn't win, and the Germans won WW2!
The fact is that AJ won the race, plain and simple.
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Ya if it wasn't a DQ it's a win.
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Therefore, he raced the better race, he deserved a win.
No winner doesn't deserve to win.
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Where did I say he didn't deserve to win? I know he won, and I take nothing away from him. The only point I am trying to make is that it WAS Starworks' race to lose. And they did.
This only relates to Le Mans because of McNish, we should probably be more on-topic.
This only relates to Le Mans because of McNish, we should probably be more on-topic.
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Toyota are returning to Paul Ricard to continue testing the TS030 now that they've built a new chassis:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99267
They still won't be at Spa.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99267
They still won't be at Spa.
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Maybe they didn't have the availability, I mean Piquet is running trucks full time and I think there is some conflict as well as that for Ambrose and Montoya. Speed is the only one I see that could be available.
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I don't understand. Speed isn't a bad driver, but everyone thinks he is. I really wish he got the AF Corse ride instead of Vickers.
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Speed had some okay races at RBR back in the day, but I think I have to agree that he'd be better
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He was going to do well, except he got in a fight with the director. Do you know the story? It's very unfair.
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Yeah that's when I started to really get into F1, well a couple years prior. I'm older than you, of course I know
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So Vickers has the time but the other NASCAR guys dont?
Good to see Toyota back at it again. I do think that their lack of in-race running time will hurt them in the long run at Le Mans.
Good to see Toyota back at it again. I do think that their lack of in-race running time will hurt them in the long run at Le Mans.
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All of the mentioned drivers have commmitments both next weekend and when Le Mans comes around. Vickers on the other hand, doesn't have a full time ride so unfortuntely, he has plenty of time. I still argue however so does Jacque Villenueve and hell, even Max Papis.
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LMSCorvetteGT2Yeah that's when I started to really get into F1, well a couple years prior. I'm older than you, of course I know
Yes. I know.
And Jaques isn't doing anything! He's a great driver, one of my favorites but he sits around doing nothing when he can have a sports car ride. Remember in 2007 with Peugeot? He almost won with quite a few set backs.
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Max Papis is driving the Corvette in Grand-Am, he may have commitments there.
Im sure there is a number of ALMS guys who would love a shot at that. Pretty much any GTC/LMPC driver, and especially the guys from Extreme Speed-Patron Racing, who drive the 458 already anyways. A stupid move, I think. But if it's Micheal's "NAPA" sticker on it, then I suppose he gets to pick his replacement.
What about Jeff Gordon? He isnt REALLY racing this season
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Are you sure you aren't reffering to Max Angelleli? As far as I can work out, Max Papis hasn't been in any Grand-Am race this season.
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I could have sworn I saw the name "Papis" on the position feed.
Checking...
Edit: I was wrong. I'm thinking of a different, American endurance driver.
Now I have to remember which one.
Edit 2: Bam. Boris Said. Thats who I was thinking of. I think there is a Grand-Am race around the time of Le Mans, and he is with Marsh. Otherwise, I would have gone for him.
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I don't recall Vickers have a full time drive, and the only reason Waltrip was doing it is because he hasn't had a full time for a few years now. Stewart use to try and do the big indy race(s) and then the nascar one, and I remember one year he had to be flown in pre-race that's how close it was. Now try and see it from a different continent side. The drivers you listed aren't going to be able to.
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Toyota's latest update on their new monocoque:
Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/#!/Toyota_Hybrid/status/197354956850864128/photo/1
Mulsanne's corner: http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsmay12.html
Looks like Audi R18 like. Hopefully the drivers shall not crash this brand new monocoque for Le Mans, plus I'm still eagerly to know if they'll bring two TS030's at Le Mans.
Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/#!/Toyota_Hybrid/status/197354956850864128/photo/1
Mulsanne's corner: http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsmay12.html
Looks like Audi R18 like. Hopefully the drivers shall not crash this brand new monocoque for Le Mans, plus I'm still eagerly to know if they'll bring two TS030's at Le Mans.
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I'm sure if they crash it again Toyota management might take some heads as war trophies.
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More images on FIA WEC page on Facebook:
link: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.356309864425474.83881.256388114417650&type=1
Can't believe that Peugeot is the only manufacturer that is missing in that photo!!
GO Toyota!
link: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.356309864425474.83881.256388114417650&type=1
Can't believe that Peugeot is the only manufacturer that is missing in that photo!!
GO Toyota!
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I was thinking with the hybrid cars runing electric on pit road, does that mean they no longer have to carry starter motors? They could theoretically use the electric motor as a push start.
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