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The lifelong fight against 4WD drifting.
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- jimmy281090 GTP_Alex_Nicol
Nice to see you're comparing me to Wikipedia lol
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Btw, thx for the post Chris. I dont really hate 4WD drifters, but people have got to understand, that there are certain drift lines, that nearly all RWD drifters take through a corner. I dont care if you can make a corner faster with a 4WD, dont be retarded and sod off.
I had someone in a Lancia Delta Rally car telling me off because i was to slow in a corner. I mean seriously, if you enter hairpins @ Tsukuba with 110 km/h, i cant help but to be 'to slow'. (Got to hand it to him, he didnt spin off) But thats more like coming to a full stop and driving off with smoking tires... No style...
I had someone in a Lancia Delta Rally car telling me off because i was to slow in a corner. I mean seriously, if you enter hairpins @ Tsukuba with 110 km/h, i cant help but to be 'to slow'. (Got to hand it to him, he didnt spin off) But thats more like coming to a full stop and driving off with smoking tires... No style...
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- SaftyJoe
I've nothing against people using 4WD cars to drift, what bugs me is people using them to imitate RWD drifting. As has been shown by the OP, it's much easier to drift RWD lines with a 4WD. What people should be doing is setting their cars up to perform like Ken Block and the crazy Scandinavians in their Group B cars at Gatebill. People should be pushing for mental entries with ridiculous amounts of angle and smoke. Much more entertaining and challenging than what is, in my eyes, drifting with stabilisers.
So, in my opinion, 4WD drfting is weak, 4WD gymkhana isn't.
So, in my opinion, 4WD drfting is weak, 4WD gymkhana isn't.
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- kidovey
i read the whole thread. its just in gt5 there is no difference in performance between cars that are awd and 4wd, therefore people saying stuff like "oh i drift on gt5 with awd but I'd never do it with 4wd" aren't making much sense. I didn't mean to wind you up. this thread is all opinion related anyway.
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- BigYoSpeck
It's just not a debate unless a wiki "fact" is used
It's a bit like turbo vs super charging. They can both technically be described using both terms as the only difference is how the turbines are driven to super charge the intake, but most people stick to using either or to describe each method.
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- warren4649
The problem is that 90% of the time you join a random online server, most people are driving AWD cars and they think they're all epic and so skilled.
The fact is that a lot of people using AWD to drift, don't have a clue what drifting is and can't really tell the difference between RWD's and AWD's.
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- DaveM-sport
Yeah, thats a good point too. Many just see drifting on YouTube o tokyo drift and just think it's a case of pulling the handbrake and/or just flooring it in the most powerful car possible.
Like FFS, I've never seem A Veyron go sideways in real-life... And I've seen quite alot of cars put sideways too and made a few slide myself... Yet the Veyron seems to be the most popular car to skid around with on GT5 presumably just because its the "fastest car in the world" and has a 1000 horsepower.
When in reality, it's a little bit ****e to be honest as it's too heavy, too complicated and not really that entertaining... Its even a failure financially for VW. An impressive exercise in engineering is all I really see it as to be honest.
But all the 4wd/awd (whatever you want to call it as we are essentially talking about the same issue here) drifting idiots (the real problem) wouldn't see that the Veyron would be about as useful for racing or drifting as a one legged man at a kicking contest.
Like FFS, I've never seem A Veyron go sideways in real-life... And I've seen quite alot of cars put sideways too and made a few slide myself... Yet the Veyron seems to be the most popular car to skid around with on GT5 presumably just because its the "fastest car in the world" and has a 1000 horsepower.
When in reality, it's a little bit ****e to be honest as it's too heavy, too complicated and not really that entertaining... Its even a failure financially for VW. An impressive exercise in engineering is all I really see it as to be honest.
But all the 4wd/awd (whatever you want to call it as we are essentially talking about the same issue here) drifting idiots (the real problem) wouldn't see that the Veyron would be about as useful for racing or drifting as a one legged man at a kicking contest.
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The epic thing is, now we know how The Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift does the Skyline drift around the women in the other car at the intersection. To be honest, I don't mind 4WD drifting. What I DO mind though is when 4WD drifters start trashtalking and insulting people with RWD drifting cars.
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- warren4649
I always love when I get the "I'm faster than you" from a guy who "drift" a Nissan GT-R.
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- DaveM-sport
Haha... You might need to watch that one again. Its an RX7 doing rings around a skyline
Also as we are talking about that film. Vin Diesels character has a good response for all those 4wd "drifters" that are quicker around the track than the rest of us
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^ Woops.
I just thought of something about this. Anyone ever played Counter Strike? Remeber those AWP whores who just stood in T spawn in Dust 2 and just sniped? In my opinion, 4WD driftin is kind of like the AWP. Unfair, but you have to deal with it. There's even a meme for it:
*Contains a weak/mild swear word*
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa314/insaneremix/headshot_1780_detail-1-1.jpg
I just thought of something about this. Anyone ever played Counter Strike? Remeber those AWP whores who just stood in T spawn in Dust 2 and just sniped? In my opinion, 4WD driftin is kind of like the AWP. Unfair, but you have to deal with it. There's even a meme for it:
*Contains a weak/mild swear word*
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa314/insaneremix/headshot_1780_detail-1-1.jpg
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- DrifTa-AJV
Im going to upset a lot of people here. I dont care what you drive FR or AWD if your not using a wheel then you cant really claim you have skill its not very hard to drift with a controller. Try full locking a 900 deg steeringwheel then controlling a drift you cant just let go of the stick and your wheels snap back to perfectly straight. What really ****** me off is people posting vids saying check my drift score or linked a whole track and you check out the vid and the front wheels are flicking back and fowards.
To me controller drifting is just as cheating as AWD theres no skill involved.
To me controller drifting is just as cheating as AWD theres no skill involved.
Truth. Also, try doing it for real it almost feels real. Then if you bin it into a wall you dont just bounce off with a strange pignose modification to your car.
At the end of the day, AWD drifting has existed for a long time, theres a strong culture of it in mainland europe and aside from it being restricted in many of the big series' its totally legitimate in my eyes. What does p*** me off is people in evos etc just gripping round and powering over into a slide ruining my line/spinning out.
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- DrifTa-AJV
The definition of drifting is tyres braking traction and controlling a slide it dosnt matter what type of car your in it's still drifting whether you like it or not. Yes it may be easier to drift an awd but drifting is suppose to be fun and we shouldn't be knocking anyone for what they think is fun.
The real problem is idiot drivers who do not give right of way into corners and ruin peoples lines and sorry friends that's not just awd drivers if you let people that think there good drifters because there driving an awd get to you then I think your just as bad as they are being an FR enthusiast you should know better than this and these sorts of threads and attitudes are what's going to ruin the gt5 drifting comunity
The real problem is idiot drivers who do not give right of way into corners and ruin peoples lines and sorry friends that's not just awd drivers if you let people that think there good drifters because there driving an awd get to you then I think your just as bad as they are being an FR enthusiast you should know better than this and these sorts of threads and attitudes are what's going to ruin the gt5 drifting comunity
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- Meandog
I lol'd when i read this
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- BEMBEMBOWBOW
Indeed!
I'm good drifter with the controller but I still learning with the wheel. I gotta say, using the controller dumbs drifting down considerably. I felt like I've been told a lie.
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I couldn't care less what others drift with, people need to unknot their twisted panties.
A common trait of mainstream, "grocery-getter" AWD cars, yes, but not at all a proper definition of AWD.
You were correct when you said...
...but AWD performance cars like the GT-R and 911 Turbo are neither 4WD like you describe, nor do they send 90% of power to the front wheels by default.
A car is considered AWD when it powers (or has access to power) all four wheels at all times. Obviously, this means there's no switch for 2WD mode. However, some vehicles tread the line between AWD/4WD (such as the Jeep Grand Cherokee, which runs in "4WD" all the time, yet offers a high/low range), and some AWD vehicles only use the front or rear wheels until slip occurs (similar to your definition of AWD).
The range of differential choices/options with an AWD car are numerous. Many performance cars and modern "torque-vectoring" AWD systems use multiplate clutch packs, for instance. Not just viscous couplings.
There's no "snapping" or "flicking" going on at the physics level, trust me. There's still an "input filter," just like every other console racing game.
I noticed the odd steering animation too, which led me to wonder how the physics engine calculates steering input in the first place. But steering with a DS3 in this game is actually too sluggish. It's a little too easy to run into snap-overcorrection and fishtailing, particularly at high speeds in MR cars, simply because the in-game driver will not turn the wheel fast enough.
The lack of physical effort involved in drifting with a controller may be a "cheat," but there's no magical instant-lock-to-lock going on. The game would drive VERY differently with a controller if there were. Try Live for Speed with a gamepad and tell me if it feels like GT5.
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- tuzmyfuz80
yes they do have it wrong but the basic concept of 4 wheels spinning is correct
All that needs to be done is simply adding more restrictions to the online rooms. Implementing a check-box style interface allowing the host to allow specific drivetrains on the track would remedy this "problem" instantly. Another option would be password-protected rooms, which should be there in the first place.
To go even further, another feature that should already be in place, is a "favorites" sub-group of rooms. Assuming the host keeps certain parameters in place, such as room title/description and restrictions, one could simply add a hidden or locked room once inside so that instead of filtering through a pile of junk rooms the user would never enter, accessing those rooms that the user would enter would be much simpler and faster.
All that being said, I've never felt compelled to slide an awd vehicle around the track. I've always been under the assumption that awd was for enhanced traction, thus making said awd vehicle drift counterproductive and rather silly.
Drifters of awd drivetrains could just start their own rooms and sub-community. A simple "AWD" in the title would suffice, clearing out the clutter that comes with speed drifters and control drifters.
To go even further, another feature that should already be in place, is a "favorites" sub-group of rooms. Assuming the host keeps certain parameters in place, such as room title/description and restrictions, one could simply add a hidden or locked room once inside so that instead of filtering through a pile of junk rooms the user would never enter, accessing those rooms that the user would enter would be much simpler and faster.
All that being said, I've never felt compelled to slide an awd vehicle around the track. I've always been under the assumption that awd was for enhanced traction, thus making said awd vehicle drift counterproductive and rather silly.
Drifters of awd drivetrains could just start their own rooms and sub-community. A simple "AWD" in the title would suffice, clearing out the clutter that comes with speed drifters and control drifters.
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Adding a password room wouldn't help, because it wouldn't be an open lobby. I often use my lounge to host team servers which are allways really good. But if no-one's online then i do an open lobby, which of course ends badly.
And as I have already said, yes, there should be driveterrain restrictions.
Wolfie, your comment about controllers, this is a little off topic don't you think? I'm currently using my dfex, with 180 degreese. I have used a mate's dfgt and I am very aware how tricky it is to drift 900. I am planning on buying a G25 next month as I wish to take up the challenge.
And anyway, the assists in 4WD/AWD to drifting still apply!
Chris.
And as I have already said, yes, there should be driveterrain restrictions.
Wolfie, your comment about controllers, this is a little off topic don't you think? I'm currently using my dfex, with 180 degreese. I have used a mate's dfgt and I am very aware how tricky it is to drift 900. I am planning on buying a G25 next month as I wish to take up the challenge.
And anyway, the assists in 4WD/AWD to drifting still apply!
Chris.
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- LukeCannotSkate
4WD gymkhana guys should drive with 4WD gymkhana guys.
RWD drifters should drift with RWD drifters
RWD drifters should drift with RWD drifters
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What im VERY TIRED of hearing is how many people say that drifting is not a hard sport and is easier than grip. Im a hair away from punching them through my tube TV. One there in a 600hp GTR, two drifting IS easy to dip your toes in however to truely master drifting you must bring together many different diciplines to make you fast while your sliping. Im sorry but sliding a 200hp 1100kg old lancer or whatever keeping it around 90kmh takes damn skill and props. AWD damn its cool when there front wheel lights up however to be honest its just too easy.
Only reason its cool and the reason im in love with older audis and have one. MOST CANT DO THIS! well to be honest he IS only clutch kicking it and no true skill its still cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXJST4bExs
sorta contradicting isn't it? sorry but You get the point you can drift awd however only and only after you prove your self in a rwd
Only reason its cool and the reason im in love with older audis and have one. MOST CANT DO THIS! well to be honest he IS only clutch kicking it and no true skill its still cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXJST4bExs
sorta contradicting isn't it? sorry but You get the point you can drift awd however only and only after you prove your self in a rwd
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