The Must Have Upgrade for any Logitech G Wheel Owner

[Napalm_LT]

it is yours decision I can say - brake spring is a real must have upgrade. Throttle and clutch springs are less by feeling upgrade. I can say that when I moved from G27 pedals with GTeye springs on to Thrustmaster T3PA pedals i couldnt feel brake pedal and braked to much or didnt brake at all.
So 20 USD for brake spring is a very good price for brake qualitty which it does.

 

[Georgeagea]

Another question: Doesn't the G29 have already a progressive brake?!
I mean the brake pedal feels light at first and it gets extremely rigid in the end of its travel.
Could this mod be initially intended for the G25/27?!? I never owned any of those so I'm supposing those pedals didn't have any progressive feel!

 

[Rallywagon]

Another question: Doesn't the G29 have already a progressive brake?!
I mean the brake pedal feels light at first and it gets extremely rigid in the end of its travel.
Could this mod be initially intended for the G25/27?!? I never owned any of those so I'm supposing those pedals didn't have any progressive feel!

I mean, you could look at the date on the very first post and have surmised the fact that the g29 wasn't even a twinkle in Logitechs eye yet.

 

[Georgeagea]

I mean, you could look at the date on the very first post and have surmised the fact that the g29 wasn't even a twinkle in Logitechs eye yet.

Thanks for the sarcasm, but i don't think you answered my question.
FYI the mod could have been made before the g29 but still remain valid for the g29 as they changed the title and included it!

 

[Rallywagon]

You are right, it does remain the same. I have no experience with the G29. It is progressive, but I'm not sure if that's achieved with two different coils or a rubber block. I'm going to guess the rubber block, which has its own set of issues, such as breaking down and binding in the spring.
In this case though, getting the gteye may be more about preference in feel.
But, certainly, my sarcastic answer definitely answered your second question. The GTeye was made years before the g29. Thus, intended for the G25 and 27.

 

[Georgeagea]

After some thoughts, I ordered the brake spring.
Eagerly waiting now!

One question to all the guys who are enjoying this brake MOD on the G29:
Is it better to keep the built-in rubber insert with this mod? Or is it better to completely remove it?!

Thx.

 

[Rallywagon]

I would suggest removing it. It was designed without it. Keeping it in place will only make the second progression that much more stiff.

 

[Lerroyy]

I highly recommend to remove the rubber block. You will be able to use 100% more of the available pedal travel. I found i could oly get about 55% out of the stock setup.

Cheers.

 

[Georgeagea]

I was thinking too about removing it, but I'm afraid that it might get too loose like the gas or clutch pedal!
Please tell me this is not the case as I'm still speculating here and don't have it yet!

 

[Lerroyy]

You wont have that issue i believe. I find the firmness fantastic of the brake pedal alone. Also I'd recommend the GTeye throttle spring if you dont like the current state of the gas pedal.

 

[Georgeagea]

No I'm super fine with the gas pedal honestly and I don't know how it could be even better?! I mean it's linear/constant and feels nice! What does GTEYE offer?
The brake, on the other hand, is nice but for some reason, it's so hard to drive on Assetto Corsa cars without ABS! Lockups all the time! It could be me in the end

 

[Rallywagon]

No I'm super fine with the gas pedal honestly and I don't know how it could be even better?! I mean it's linear/constant and feels nice! What does GTEYE offer?
The brake, on the other hand, is nice but for some reason, it's so hard to drive on Assetto Corsa cars without ABS! Lockups all the time! It could be me in the end

I couldn't tell ya about the throttle spring. My understanding is that it's just a bit stiffer to give a bit more control. I race in my socks, so control was never an issue, but I can see how it would help if wearing shoes. Personally, if you are fine with your gas pedals feel now, just go for the brake spring

 

[Georgeagea]

One week after my order and there's still no sign of it even on the tracking system (track number). I'm gonna remain positive though!

 

[Georgeagea]

So the spring arrived today and i just installed it.
I have the G29 and i removed the rubber insert.

First impressions are mixed:

I like the stiffness but i hate the travel.
The brake in the game (take assetto corsa for example) reach 100% while there remains nearly 15 to 20mm of buffer travel! So the last 15 to 20mm are all 100% brake and that makes driving a bit tricky. Say i hit the brake pedal to the floor on tough corners and start releasing my foot thinking it's actually lowering the brake pressure while it's not!

For now, it seems it's making my driving harder and worse but I'm gonna give it some time and try to make a hardware mod that allows the pedal to stop moving just when the brake pressure reaches 100%!

 

[Rallywagon]

So the spring arrived today and i just installed it.
I have the G29 and i removed the rubber insert.

First impressions are mixed:

I like the stiffness but i hate the travel.
The brake in the game (take assetto corsa for example) reach 100% while there remains nearly 15 to 20mm of buffer travel! So the last 15 to 20mm are all 100% brake and that makes driving a bit tricky. Say i hit the brake pedal to the floor on tough corners and start releasing my foot thinking it's actually lowering the brake pressure while it's not!

For now, it seems it's making my driving harder and worse but I'm gonna give it some time try to make a hardware mod that allows the pedal to stop moving just when the brake pressure reaches 100%!

I can't say I have experience with the G29, but that sounds odd. When you first press the brake pedal, or any of them, they calibrate. In fact, if you go out on the track without having pressed any of your pedals, they will spike to fully pressed until you release. If your foot traveled only half the pedals distance, then that spot becomes 100% actuated. It should be the next time you press and go beyond that point it then readjusts to the next lowest point. Perhaps that isn't the case here?
Or perhaps the pot doesn't work that far depressed. Not sure how easy it is, or if it's even possible, but you may be able to turn the pot to adjust it.
It's also possible that it's a setting in game that needs adjusting. Not sure if you are on PC or PS4 though and can't speak to the specifics of the game, since I've not yet played it.

 

[Georgeagea]

I can't say I have experience with the G29, but that sounds odd. When you first press the brake pedal, or any of them, they calibrate. In fact, if you go out on the track without having pressed any of your pedals, they will spike to fully pressed until you release. If your foot traveled only half the pedals distance, then that spot becomes 100% actuated. It should be the next time you press and go beyond that point it then readjusts to the next lowest point. Perhaps that isn't the case here?
Or perhaps the pot doesn't work that far depressed. Not sure how easy it is, or if it's even possible, but you may be able to turn the pot to adjust it.
It's also possible that it's a setting in game that needs adjusting. Not sure if you are on PC or PS4 though and can't speak to the specifics of the game, since I've not yet played it.

The pedals calibrate?! Are you sure about that?! Never heard of it and never seen the pedals doing that!

I'm on PS4.
I tried other games and they exhibited the same behavior!
For example in DiRT rally, in the advanced wheel settings, the brake reached 100% just at around 75% of the pedal travel! The remaining 25% are all 100% brake!
I tried modifying the brake saturation to only 105% or 110% and oddly enough it couldn't reach 100% of the brake anymore! Only 95%!

 

[fatkrakr]

The pedals calibrate?! Are you sure about that?! Never heard of it and never seen the pedals doing that!

I'm on PS4.
I tried other games and they exhibited the same behavior!
For example in DiRT rally, in the advanced wheel settings, the brake reached 100% just at around 75% of the pedal travel! The remaining 25% are all 100% brake!
I tried modifying the brake saturation to only 105% or 110% and oddly enough it couldn't reach 100% of the brake anymore! Only 95%!

Sounds like you moved the pot slightly when installing the mod. You will need to disassemble them enough to get to the pots, then while hooked up and in game press the pedal and adjust the pot (turn slightly) till its back in position.

 

[Outspacer]

The pedals calibrate?! Are you sure about that?! Never heard of it and never seen the pedals doing that!

They don't do it by themselves, we have to do it. I press each pedal to the end, at two times: first, just after the wheel has calibrated before starting the game, and second when in the game at its main menu. I'm not sure, but it might not calibrate once in a race (while force feedback is activated).

Sounds like you moved the pot slightly when installing the mod. You will need to disassemble them enough to get to the pots, then while hooked up and in game press the pedal and adjust the pot (turn slightly) till its back in position.

Or this, perhaps. You should be able to see if the gear is in the same position as throttle and clutch without opening the pedals up.

Or possibly it's a wiring problem, but I can't think of one that would act like you're describing.

 

[Georgeagea]

Sounds like you moved the pot slightly when installing the mod. You will need to disassemble them enough to get to the pots, then while hooked up and in game press the pedal and adjust the pot (turn slightly) till its back in position.

Excuse me but what part exactly is the "pot"?! Upper external cylinder, or lower internal cylinder or maybe something else?

 

[Georgeagea]

Let me get one thing straight; is it supposed to only reach 100% when compressed to the max?!
Because I was thinking about adding like a stopper inside the cylinders or something to forbid the pedal moving beyond 100%!
I hope i can fix it like you said guys and avoid further modifying the pedal!

 

[Outspacer]

Excuse me but what part exactly is the "pot"?! Upper external cylinder, or lower internal cylinder or maybe something else?

pot = potentiometer. It's the part that measures, has wires attached, and a gear on a spindle to move it.

 

[Georgeagea]

pot = potentiometer. It's the part that measures, has wires attached, and a gear on a spindle to move it.

Oh! Thanks! I could have never guessed! Thanks a lot for your help! I'll try it tonight!

 

[Georgeagea]

So should I move that Pot while completely connected and the game running?!
Can I physically do that if the 2 cylinders are still connected?! I mean I may have to open the pedal cylinders to reach that pot?!

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Call Logitech

 

[fatkrakr]

So should I move that Pot while completely connected and the game running?!
Can I physically do that if the 2 cylinders are still connected?! I mean I may have to open the pedal cylinders to reach that pot?!

Yes with just the wheel base cover removed and hooked up in game try pushing brake full and wiggle the silver round part of the pot forward/back slightly and see if it changes the signal in game. It should and then adjust to where you like. Might want to use a wrench/spanner and give it a snugging up. You will see the nut inside the pedal bracket.

 

[Outspacer]

Let me get one thing straight; is it supposed to only reach 100% when compressed to the max?!
Because I was thinking about adding like a stopper inside the cylinders or something to forbid the pedal moving beyond 100%!
I hope i can fix it like you said guys and avoid further modifying the pedal!

It should reach 100% when you press it as far as you've pressed it before. For example, if you only ever press it half way, then half way becomes the 100% braking point. That's how the wheel calibrates the pedals.

So should I move that Pot while completely connected and the game running?!
Can I physically do that if the 2 cylinders are still connected?! I mean I may have to open the pedal cylinders to reach that pot?!

No, I don't think you should do that while it's connected up to the wheel. First thing is to just look carefully at it, and see if the problem is visible. Hopefully it is and we can advise from there.

Actually, first thing is still to try pressing it fully before entering the game, and before entering a race, because that would be easiest to try. Unless you already do that.

I'll try to be online later - what time might you look at it tonight?

Yes with just the wheel base cover removed and hooked up in game try pushing brake full and wiggle the silver round part of the pot forward/back slightly and see if it changes the signal in game. It should and then adjust to where you like. Might want to use a wrench/spanner and give it a snugging up. You will see the nut inside the pedal bracket.

I don't see the need for this (yet) since the pot being out of alignment would be visible.

 

[Georgeagea]

Thanks guys for your help!

I should be home in like 4 hrs, which is like 7pm GMT if i'm not mistaken!

@Dragonwhisky Thanks for the suggestion but not everyone has the privilege to live in the USA or a fully developed country where there's Logitech support!

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Thanks guys for your help!

I should be home in like 4 hrs, which is like 7pm GMT if i'm not mistaken!

@Dragonwhisky Thanks for the suggestion but not everyone has the privilege to live in the USA or a fully developed country where there's Logitech support!

Since you're obviously able to access the Internet you may be able to contact them via their support site or email. From the little research I am able to do at work it would appear you may need to have a PC, download the software needed and make sensitivity adjustments to the pedal inputs. If no one else will get you the links and post them, it's a PITA from my phone and gtplanet is blocked on my work PC, I'll look them up again and post them sometime tonight while I'm home.

 

[Outspacer]

I'll be back home by 9pm GMT, I hope.

Since you're obviously able to access the Internet you may be able to contact them via their support site or email. From the little research I am able to do at work it would appear you may need to have a PC, download the software needed and make sensitivity adjustments to the pedal inputs. If no one else will get you the links and post them, it's a PITA from my phone and gtplanet is blocked on my work PC, I'll look them up again and post them sometime tonight while I'm home.

"Hello Logitech, I just modified my pedals and now...." bzzzzt

Do the PC settings affect pedals on PS4 at all? I didn't think they did, since it dynamically calibrates.

I've just changed from stock spring with buffer to gteye without, but I'm using them on a T300. Will plug them into my G29 tonight and see what happens.

 

[Rallywagon]

Yeah, config is not persistent on the wheel itself. In fact, it won't pick up a config on the PC until the Logitech control software is running. There is no persistent RAM in the wheel itself.

My guess is that the pot is adjusted with the rubber piece in mind, so when removing it the pedal travels beyond the contacts in the pot. Rotating the pot clockwise, or counter clockwise should fix that.
Holy crap, just noticed who it was that posted above. DW! How goes it fella? been a bit of time!