The next-gen MX-5 Miata thread
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Nah your not. Looks pretty cool to me.
I hope that Mazda is successful with their new launches in general. I heard that they aren't in good shape so the Miata and the 6 with the new Sky engines need to sell. Let's hope the American market catches on and saves Mazda (again).
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I think people are overreacting to Mazda's situation.
So far on my Google searches, Mazda's sales dipped 2% and Ford only has a 4% stake in them, so Mazda has to really focus on their own budget for R&D.
It's far from dire, but it's not exactly comfortable being on its own for the most part. For some reason I'm getting the vibe that Mazda needs to be under someone else's umbrella, and budget, to thrive.
So far on my Google searches, Mazda's sales dipped 2% and Ford only has a 4% stake in them, so Mazda has to really focus on their own budget for R&D.
It's far from dire, but it's not exactly comfortable being on its own for the most part. For some reason I'm getting the vibe that Mazda needs to be under someone else's umbrella, and budget, to thrive.
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They haven't posted a profit in 5 years.
Sales dipped 2%, yes. That's a 2% loss from the 150% they lost last year, isn't it?
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Well there is good news announced today that they are upping production of the CX-5 due to demand, and doubling their SkyActiv engine production as well.
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On similar news Road & Track reports that the Alfa Miata is set for production is 2015 and will sell in the US with its own unique driveline. Thats all the important stuff, still to early for any other details.
I just figured they where borrowing the Evora's chassis like they are with the Miata.
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What on earth did lead you into that kind of conclusion? Lotus and Alfa have very rarely had anything resembling of co-op between then. Lotus might've tweaked suspension or two for Alfa, but that's it.
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I realised that but it was just an assumption based on the simularity of the two cars. there obviously aiming at the same market
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The Evora and Miata or the Evora and 4C?
If the former, no. If the latter, possibly, though how that makes them a) similar or b) means they're "borrowing a chassis" I'm not quite sure. A Porsche Cayman is in that market too, but that doesn't mean it's the same as the Alfa and the Lotus...
And the Evora and Miata are completely different.
If the former, no. If the latter, possibly, though how that makes them a) similar or b) means they're "borrowing a chassis" I'm not quite sure. A Porsche Cayman is in that market too, but that doesn't mean it's the same as the Alfa and the Lotus...
And the Evora and Miata are completely different.
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I just saw the news about how the new miata is not going to be quicker and lighter than previous models. 
I'm so one week ago.
Um... Does this mean Mazda decided to thoroughly research and develop a new platform to destroy the brz/frs competition or does it mean they've conceded defeat for a few years?
I'm so one week ago.
Um... Does this mean Mazda decided to thoroughly research and develop a new platform to destroy the brz/frs competition or does it mean they've conceded defeat for a few years?
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I just saw the news about how the new miata is not going to be quicker and lighter than previous models.
I'm so one week ago.
Where? The white car from the previous pages? Or the 2014-2015 model?
The next gen miata is supposed to be a new platform, a much lighter platform. That's been the plan/rumor for a while.
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Yup. The Miata we're all hearing about right now is just a facelift of the current model, and nothing to do with the lighter, more efficient car coming in another few years.
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There is one little "performance" upgrade on the 2013 facelift model
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1077480_2013-mazda-mx-5-miata-preview
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Can't complain. I mean, not that it was bad anyway, compared to most modern stuff. But more response is always good.
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Mazda released official pics of the facelifted MX-5 in Japan. Article is in Dutch, but click the picture to see more of them.
I thought most sporty cars with e-throttle allow to change the linearity? Mine can be set from 'snow' to 'extreme', with that last one really living up to its name.
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Yup. I'd rather have a nice, linear and responsive pedal than a system to change it. The stupid thing is that cars don't need an option to change if you get the feel right in the first place.
My old Fiat had a "sport" mode, which was either on or off. When it was off, the throttle was mushy and unresponsive, and when it was on, it was ridiculously and annoyingly hyperactive. Ideally the correct feel would have been somewhere between the two, and being entirely electronic that's clearly possible through software, but instead it had two settings, neither of which worked to my liking.
I've driven other cars like that too. Infinitely prefer something that works everywhere, than something you have to constantly fiddle with depending on the road conditions.
Makes me a bit sad that so many cars get wrong with computers, something that an old bit of cable managed fine for donkeys' years...
My old Fiat had a "sport" mode, which was either on or off. When it was off, the throttle was mushy and unresponsive, and when it was on, it was ridiculously and annoyingly hyperactive. Ideally the correct feel would have been somewhere between the two, and being entirely electronic that's clearly possible through software, but instead it had two settings, neither of which worked to my liking.
I've driven other cars like that too. Infinitely prefer something that works everywhere, than something you have to constantly fiddle with depending on the road conditions.
Makes me a bit sad that so many cars get wrong with computers, something that an old bit of cable managed fine for donkeys' years...
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How about both?
On-topic: I think the facelifted MX-5 looks really good, love the interior too. 👍
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How about both?
If one of the settings is perfect and linear to start with, why bother with the other settings?...
With the MX-5 for example, which I presume isn't getting different throttle response settings, the standard setting works great as it is - why then would you have a "sport" mode (which it's already sporty) or, say, an "eco" mode (which just make the car awful to drive in most instances without any real benefit to economy).
It's just needless faffing with something that already works, i.e. a linear, responsive throttle response.
As for the facelift, it doesn't reaaaally look much different. Not as big a leap as it was from the first NCs to the smiley-faced one.
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You might not see the use of it, but other people might. I guess in the MX-5 it might not be useful, but I definitely appreciated the 'snow' setting in my car when the whole highway was covered in slush. 👍
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That's what traction control is for. 
I'm betting snow mode also involves a TC remap...
Personally, I feel such pedal settings are only needed if "Default" or "Sport" mode is too jumpy... Funny thing is, if "Sport" is too jumpy, that actually makes it harder to drive the car fast... results in jerkier gear changes and corner exits... Which can upset the car and cause problems when you're trying to set a fast time.
It may feel sportier to most, but for people who really drive, it's just plain annoying and singularly unhelpful... Like ultra-heavy "Sport" steering modes that add weight but no feedback.
EDIT: then again, I actually prefer steering in sports modes, because the weight doesn't vary wildly from low speed to high as it does in most electric boxes... throws your rhythm off when you enter a corner, slow down and all of the sudden, the steering is feather light...
I'm betting snow mode also involves a TC remap...Personally, I feel such pedal settings are only needed if "Default" or "Sport" mode is too jumpy... Funny thing is, if "Sport" is too jumpy, that actually makes it harder to drive the car fast... results in jerkier gear changes and corner exits... Which can upset the car and cause problems when you're trying to set a fast time.
It may feel sportier to most, but for people who really drive, it's just plain annoying and singularly unhelpful... Like ultra-heavy "Sport" steering modes that add weight but no feedback.
EDIT: then again, I actually prefer steering in sports modes, because the weight doesn't vary wildly from low speed to high as it does in most electric boxes... throws your rhythm off when you enter a corner, slow down and all of the sudden, the steering is feather light...
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Just show us the cars already..... 
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The BreezeFrees is two/three identical cars with very slight badging and trim differences. This sounds a lot more like how the Mk II Elise was repurposed for GM to make the Opel Speedster; or how GM platform mates in the 1960s-1980s had their own styling, engines and drivetrains for each brand despite having very similar hard points underneath.
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This seems most-likely. Mazda already has a great platform with the SkyActiv engines and transmissions, I'd see no reason for them to adapt Alfa Romeo bits and pieces into their cars that'll likely be less-reliable and less-efficient. And on the flip side, I can't see Alfa Romeo wanting to do anything other than using their MultiAir turbocharged engines.
Of course, we could all be dead wrong. A turbocharged SkyActiv would be more than sufficient in either application.
