The Nissan Silvia / 180SX / 240SX

[Mad Murphy NZ]

Am I the only one who thinks that silvia's aren't anything special? The skyline is where it's at.

Well, there's nothing overly special about them on specs sheets but when you drive one it's a whole different story. It's fun and they handle and look a lot better than skylines.

 

[kaikun]

Couldnt be bothered reading every single post so sorry for any re-posts.

main difference between 180sx and 240sx is the engine,
the 180 was produced in japan and came with a turbo-charged 1.8 litre (CA18DET).
whereas the 240 produced in america came with a NA 2.4 litre engine(KA24DE),
which was a horrible engine compared to the CA18.

the CA18 isnt such a beast of an engine itself, but later model 180sx's came with SR20's.

 

[2002thx1138]

I'm probably a long way off, but thats ok because it's 2am nearly and ive just got in from town and am pretty hammered, but, I thought that in England, the S13, S14 and S15 were all called the 200SX.

Just Mk1, 2 and 3 if you like. I don't ever recall seeing a 240SX etc.

You are correct, in the UK (PAL) version of the game I have yet to see either of the 240SX cars, however I have bought a 200SX and a 200SX (S14) from the used car lot... both models are from 1996 apparently, so do these cars actually have 3 different names?

 

[Famine]

The US version was a 240SX with a 2.4 litre naturally aspirated engine. The EU version looked exactly the same but had a 2.0 litre turbo engine (the famous SR20DET) and so was called the 200SX.

 

[SilverEclipse01]

You are correct, in the UK (PAL) version of the game I have yet to see either of the 240SX cars, however I have bought a 200SX and a 200SX (S14) from the used car lot... both models are from 1996 apparently, so do these cars actually have 3 different names?

In the game, the same two vehicles have three different names for three different regional releases of the game. They are all listed as 1996 models.

NA: 240SX and 240SX (S14)
PAL: 200SX and 200SX (S14)
JP: 180SX and Silvia K's Aero



I have no clue how they used them in the Korean or Chinese versions.

 

[niky]

I suppose the ONLY region to actually get the 240sx would have to be the US... because they named the SR20DE Sentra coupe as the 200sx instead of the "Sunny". ... and couldn't justify having two 200SXs in the dealership... would've made for very angry customers.

Out here in the Philippines we got the left-hand drive 200SX SR20DETs. I think the real problem with bringing the 200SX stateside was the emissions issue. The KA24DE was seen as a way to get more power without going turbo.

Emissions are probably the same reason that there are no left-hand drive SR20DET Pulsar GTi-Rs...

 

[Jay]

It's not riced bro!!! That's a stock 180sx with a 1.8 liter turbo making 202hp and 202lb-ft of torque. I'm assuming it's stock under the hood even though it likely isn't since it's a Japanese car in Japan. It's just like the car in the game.

Those actual photos you posted are Japanese Type X 180sx's which only came in black top SR20DET's.

THE ONLY ECCEPTION TO THIS IS THE 240sx because it was available in different trim with different motors available and the name stayed the same. Some 240sx came with the RB24DE, a 2.4 liter. Most came with the RB20DE, a 2.0 liter. And very few came with a SR20DET, a 2.0 turbo. They kept the name the same to cut down on confusion amoung the average american buyer.

hhaa there was never an rb24de. the 2.4 engine you are talking about is the truck engine ka24.

Although as you now know RB24 was never factory made, many people do make there own RB24DET engines themself. If I remember correctly they use a RB20 block with RB26 crank and rods.

The first two letters on Nissan's engine codes don't really 'stand for' anything - they just designate the engine family.

Exactly, someone earlier said RB stands for 'race bred' this is just specluation and not fact.

It's fun and they handle and look a lot better than skylines.

Tell that to the guys I drive with (they mostly have 180sx's, S13,S14 and S15 Silvias most with some suspension work) When they are suprised that a stock suspensioned R33 is giving them grief.

I wont comment on 'look' as thats a matter of opinion.

The only Silvia that has given me competion is a S14 (SR20DET) with coil over suspension, front rear strut braces, low profile tyres, exhaust, intake, large intercooler, up boost and thats about it. I have/had (check sig for more) Exhaust, intake, up boost and low profile tyres.
In the straights I am alittle faster when cornering it is about even.

Im not putting down Silvia's handling (I did own a 180sx before the Skyline) as Silvia handling is great but I wouldnt say its alot better than Skylines.



Here is the Nissan Silvia thread for anyone who want to chat more about silvias
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=31309

 

[ferrari_chris]

The first two letters on Nissan's engine codes don't really 'stand for' anything - they just designate the engine family. The numbers indicate the displacement, and the final letters indicate engine options: T for turbo, TT for twin turbo, E for electronic fuel injection, D for dual cam, and so on.

I think you'll find that T stands for Turbo, and TT stands for TurboTurbo, not TwinTurbo.

There's plenty of debate about this, and it's hard to find a decisive answer as both opinions work well.

It doesn't really make any difference, as TurboTurbo means twinturbo, but the T means Turbo, and doesn't change meaning once you add another T after it, or another turbo to the engine.

 

[Jay]

I think you'll find that T stands for Turbo, and TT stands for TurboTurbo, not TwinTurbo.

There's plenty of debate about this, and it's hard to find a decisive answer as both opinions work well.

It doesn't really make any difference, as TurboTurbo means twinturbo, but the T means Turbo, and doesn't change meaning once you add another T after it, or another turbo to the engine.

Or maybe it stands for Two Turbo .

 

[ferrari_chris]

Or maybe it stands for Two Turbo .

... T means Turbo, and doesn't change meaning once you add another T after it ...

 

[Jay]

Just foolin.

 

[niky]

It's Turbo Turbo. And if it were triple turbo, it'd be TTT.

 

[BeeCee]

To add to confusing names for Nissans, well, Nissan 'may have' started some of the confusion; The '82 & '83 200SX had Z22E engines, which are their truck engines......which are really the emmisions version of the L-series engines, which look alot to me like KA engines, which look to me like overbored Z-car engines with 2 of the cylinders cut off. So anyways.......Nissan started it!

 

[pSI civic]

are you sure there was never a 4 door model? if not was there a car like it? i remember seeing an orange 4 door model on a different site.

 

[Woolie Wool]

I bet there are hundreds of SR20DET conversion kits available for 240SX's.

 

[niky]

Nah... RB25 is where it's at. ...but the SR20DET makes a lot of power, and is a lot easier to work with (in general... no flaming, please)

I've seen a site where they do a Chevy small-block, though... but rednecks would put a V8 in anything...

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

To add to confusing names for Nissans, well, Nissan 'may have' started some of the confusion; The '82 & '83 200SX had Z22E engines, which are their truck engines......which are really the emmisions version of the L-series engines, which look alot to me like KA engines, which look to me like overbored Z-car engines with 2 of the cylinders cut off. So anyways.......Nissan started it!

I was under the impression that the older Silvia's/SX's had FJ20 engines which was the precursor to the SR20. Are you talking about American models?

 

[pSI civic]

the fj20 is a subaru engine.

 

[niky]

I'm pretty sure there was an FJ Nissan engine... it's a very old code, which, of course, has gone the way of the CA, Z and the GA...

and the RB... *sniff*

 

[pSI civic]

well i'm a honda guy not a nissan guy so there very well may be a nissan fj but i do know the fj20 is the 2.0l boxer 4 in the impreza wrx.

 

[niky]

FJ20 is also a Nissan engine code, there was even an FJ20ET. But it is really old, thus, not many people know it.

BTW, Honda isn't the only manufacturer with a B16... Volvo has one...

 

[pSI civic]

well honda b series engines suck. D series power!

 

[Jay]

I was under the impression that the older Silvia's/SX's had FJ20 engines which was the precursor to the SR20. Are you talking about American models?

Japanese (not sure about American) S12 Silvias (not in GT4) had FJ20DET's, Australian S12's got CA20 engines.

FJ20 is also a Nissan engine code, there was even an FJ20ET. But it is really old, thus, not many people know it.

I made a post awhile ago discussing the FJ20 Engine here,

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=983477&postcount=11

 

[niky]

Our S12s (left-hand drive Asian market) got CA18DETs...

Nice to know there are a lot of old farts on here who like old Nissans, too. (That includes me...)

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

I know S12's also got FJ20's, I'm sure I've seen them for sale before. Maybe it was an NZ model but I don't think so.

 

[johan.p]

Although as you now know RB24 was never factory made, many people do make there own RB24DET engines themself. If I remember correctly they use a RB20 block with RB26 crank and rods.

this is incorrect (both statements)
first off an rb24s was built from factory and fitted in some of the cefiros exported to america it was built from a rb25 block and pistons with rb20 conrods and crank with the 3 litre single cam head
it gives a 2.45 litre
the 2 litre block with 26 crank gives a 2.16 lite roughly
a 2.4 can also be made from re boaring and re stoking the 2 litre but it needs all custom internal but has the potential of about 600hp

 

[Luca]

Lesson for today: don't bring back old threads!

 

[rsmithdrift]

Haha, wow...... I was such an idiot when I first posted in this thread. Now I actually HAVE a 93 240sx f/b lol. I know everything ever about this car. And it's KA (NOT TRUCK MOTOR!!! Trucks came with KA24E, not DE) Anyways, yeah this car rocks hard. Now that it's running right I love this KA, can't wait till I can afford to turbo it....

The Kouki type X is teh seks though.