The Race to 6:59.999. King of The Ring Challenge.

[bullet360]

6:54.xxx in the viper gts-r concept... ONLY transmission and suspension upgrades

 

[Duck]

I wonder is anyone tried the Saleen S7. I've no time for this, but I'm curious.

 

[disguisedpotato]

With these rules we more or less have to use a standard car, most of us can achieve faster times with the bumper cam. This means that with standard cars we'll have bumper cam + hud and with premiums bumper cam + no hud.

 

[paskowitz]

OP rules tweaked... so far nobody has provided a link to a replay or a link to download the replay data. Only times that provide this will be added to the OP... FYI.

 

[Hofstee]

OP rules tweaked... so far nobody has provided a link to a replay or a link to download the replay data. Only times that provide this will be added to the OP... FYI.

I might try this later with the R390. From your rules, it counts. Except mine's going to have a lot less bhp than the actual one >.> Don't want to tune it.

Actual R390:
1027kg/2264.1lb
560bhp @ 6800rpm
638Nm/4714 ft lbs @ 4400 rpm

No, that's not the race car specs.

Oh, and it is street legal.

 

[paskowitz]

I might try this later with the R390. From your rules, it counts. Except mine's going to have a lot less bhp than the actual one >.> Don't want to tune it.

Actual R390:
1027kg/2264.1lb
560bhp @ 6800rpm
638Nm/4714 ft lbs @ 4400 rpm

No, that's not the race car specs.

Oh, and it is street legal.

I believe it has 470 ft lbs of torque... not 4714 and weighed 1098 kg / 2420 lbs.

 

[Capt Air]

My money is on the Zonda S 7.3 or the ZZII...

 

[zr1chris]

I wonder is anyone tried the Saleen S7. I've no time for this, but I'm curious.

Good Idea. Surprised nobody has brought it up until now.

 

[paskowitz]

Good Idea. Surprised nobody has brought it up until now.

Its only 550-ish HP... but it might work. If the Saleen S7 Twin Turbo was in the game, this thread would have been over a long time ago.

 

[zr1chris]

Tried the Enzo but cant keep that damn thing on the road. No grip at all. I have to baby the throttle like crazy and the brakes seem to be rubbish for some reason. I may give the F1 a go tomorrow.

 

[Hofstee]

I believe it has 470 ft lbs of torque... not 4714 and weighed 1098 kg / 2420 lbs.

It's what I saw at ultimatecarpage. Not sure if I mistyped the 4714

 

[danben7]

Sounds like an awesome challenge, might give this one a go.

 

[PAWEL17]

6:54.xxx in the viper gts-r concept... ONLY transmission and suspension upgrades

Thats good, but Too bad it has no meaning in this thread.

 

[Big Ron]

I think, you should choose a package of 5 cars for all competitors to make it much more equal.

Otherwise it will end up like at the seasonal events, where you drive a Lamborghini around Indianapolis to pass the 55 seconds and could feel a bit proud to make it happen......but if you watch the rankings, 90% used Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car or NSX Lemans Prototype Road Car.

And that´s stupid. If you don´t limit the car field, I bet most competitors will find out, which Super-Duper-Hyper-car is the fastest and will just use this, for example Enzo or Veyron.

 

[dark_ruffo]

And that´s stupid. If you don´t limit the car field, I bet most competitors will find out, which Super-Duper-Hyper-car is the fastest and will just use this, for example Enzo or Veyron.

That's the goal I guess. To find the fastest car to run the Nurburgring.

 

[paskowitz]

That's the goal I guess. To find the fastest car to run the Nurburgring.

Thank you. That was the point. Once a car is found this thread is for all intensive purposes over. Although no one seems to have seen the other part that is just a leaderboard for other stock cars. For example who can get the fastest stock LFA time. There are tons of, you can tune this or that threads, but no take the stock car and see what you can do threads... hence the creation of this one.

 

[CSLACR]

I like how manufactures are bending the rules as much as possible now.
Notice the two Vettes (among others) running "DOT-approved" racing tires.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I like how manufactures are bending the rules as much as possible now.
Notice the two Vettes (among others) running "DOT-approved" racing tires.

You just gotta beat that competition!
Nothing could be more true about the car business, particularly Hi Perf cars.

 

[CSLACR]

You just gotta beat that competition!
Nothing could be more true about the car business, particularly Hi Perf cars.

But the only people that pay attention know that an all-but racing slick is an advantage, let alone all the cars made just to count as production and set a new record.
This challenge sounds awesome, and I'm going to give some a run.
Just saying as far as real life, I don't even care what times cars get on this track anymore, they all play by different rules.

 

[paskowitz]

But the only people that pay attention know that an all-but racing slick is an advantage, let alone all the cars made just to count as production and set a new record.
This challenge sounds awesome, and I'm going to give some a run.
Just saying as far as real life, I don't even care what times cars get on this track anymore, they all play by different rules.

I think it also depends on the drivers comfort level with the car. I know for a fact that a real life Pagani Zonda F can go around The Ring faster than a ZR1, but nobody wants to drive a $1.5 million dollar car that hard and risk crashing it. Same deal with the Veyron Super Sport. We will likely never see it on The Ring.

 

[Hofstee]

Pikes peak 10 minute has been broken 3 days ago by none other than the Monster.

 

[dark_ruffo]

Pikes peak 10 minute has been broken 3 days ago by none other than the Monster.

I read that they paved a big section of the uphill, making it easier to brake the record.

Not taking away the merit, just saying. He is a Monster indeed.

 

[Hofstee]

Closest I can get my R390 is 166 hp under 560 and 92kg too heavy. This puts me a bit over 5% in terms of weight, and 30% under the horsepower...

Handles pretty well on street hard tires. So far my best time without aids is 9:15.011... I need to figure out how to cope without ASM. I keep spinning out, and my wheel's pedals are crap. Worse than the DFGT's since it's a GameShark wheel... Dead zone doesn't help either.

I read that they paved a big section of the uphill, making it easier to brake the record.

Not taking away the merit, just saying. He is a Monster indeed.

They did pave more of the track this year... :|
But the fact that Monster's engine completely overheated near the end and he couldn't accelerate very well and the power steering died sure makes it seem like a decent trade off. He had to come back on the truck...

 

[jh1806]

I can run 7:19 in the Lamborghini Murchialago LP670-4 Super-Veloce, on comfort softs - I think this evening will be spent on Sports hard!

 

[TBR 427]

I read that they paved a big section of the uphill, making it easier to brake the record.

Not taking away the merit, just saying. He is a Monster indeed.

Not so.

With the tarmac covering half the track and gravel/dirt covering the other (with some chemical sprayed into the dirt apparently which is why they're just paving it).

The problem is the tyres. They can't run the full dirt tyres because the tarmac sections would burn them to a crisp, the treads would offer no grip and by the time you wore them completely down you're driving on dirt with slicks.

You can't use slicks, because you'd die, obviously.

With this half-tarmac thing, they've compromised all the cars, and there's not been dramatic improvements in times.


Of course, once they finish the tarmac all the way, then you'll see lap times tumble, and instead of Indy cars with dirt tyres and raised suspension, you'll just see plain old Indy cars taking the win.

 

[dark_ruffo]

Not so.

With the tarmac covering half the track and gravel/dirt covering the other (with some chemical sprayed into the dirt apparently which is why they're just paving it).

The problem is the tyres. They can't run the full dirt tyres because the tarmac sections would burn them to a crisp, the treads would offer no grip and by the time you wore them completely down you're driving on dirt with slicks.

You can't use slicks, because you'd die, obviously.

With this half-tarmac thing, they've compromised all the cars, and there's not been dramatic improvements in times.

I Haven't thought of that, makes sense.

Of course, once they finish the tarmac all the way, then you'll see lap times tumble, and instead of Indy cars with dirt tyres and raised suspension, you'll just see plain old Indy cars taking the win.

Why would they pave the whole uphill? Wasn't Pikes Peak supposed to be the greatest and most challenging dirt trial in the world? Know anything?

 

[TBR 427]

I Haven't thought of that, makes sense.




Why would they pave the whole uphill? Wasn't Pikes Peak supposed to be the greatest and most challenging dirt trial in the world? Know anything?

For each event they were putting "something" on the dirt road. That was supposed to make the dirt stickier, and make the plumes behind the cars smaller, and fall faster. Otherwise, the massive clouds of dirt behind the cars would have been too big and too long to run a competitive event with lots of cars.

Now, whatever they put on the roads eventually got into the nearby rivers, and was doing...something. Probably had the same effect on the local fish population as the disastrous Jack and Jim mix had on the locals.

Of course, that meant that they wanted to stop using the stuff, but that would mean the end of Pikes Peak, and considering the size of the event, a lot of money going into the town as well.

So, they compromised; Pikes Peak gets gradually sealed off so they don't need to use the stuff anymore, with the completion date coming up in a few short years.

Of course, as I alluded to in my previous post, it's slowing the cars because there's no tyres that work for those conditions.


What they're doing will make the cars slower and slower until it's done, and then they'll be significantly faster. Any gains in overall time since the beginning of the project have been shown in an almost negative light, because the latest Suzuki may have just set the record, but the track is significantly worse than it was when previous records have been set.

 

[Tyger]

This looks an interesting challenge, most people are going with the F1, I think it suits the 'ring but in a recent large-scale comparo i've been doing at Trial Mountain, but with SS tyres, the Veyron and (a little surprisingly) the Murci LP-670 went quicker, with the Zonda 7.3 a whisker slower.

Of the concept/not technically ever production/track cars i've tested so far, the Furai, Citroen GT Road Car and Concept, VW W12 Nardo, ZZII, NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car and Zonda R were all quicker than the F1

That said, I did struggle with power oversteer when I tested the F1 using my DS3, the more open 'ring should suit it better.

Tested the Enzo which was some way behind, but yet to test the 458 and Scuderia which I suspect will fill the "best of the rest" category along with the likes of the SLS-AMG, Viper ACR and Ford GT.

Incidentally, has anyone noticed that one of the trophies involves posting a lap of the Nordschleiffe in the Nissan GTR quicker than the "real life" record?

 

[kweiss]

What are SW tires? All 3 classes of tire are:
CH, CM, CS
SH, SM, SS
RH, RM, RS

With ice and dirt beyond those.

And there's another thread around here that has some good info about the comparison from in game tire to real world counterparts and how to best match them up to get the most real world experience in game. This would be a crucial component to this challenge since it would tend to put a given car on par with its real world twin.

I am interested in that discussion, but I can't find the thread. Help please.

 

[Tyger]

It's here

Interesting thread indeed but a little misleading IMHO, sure "real life" cars come with a variety of tyres and you can buy better ones, but in GT5 I think Kaz has gone for a happy medium. Also someone in that thread suggests Comforts are the only street legal tyres and that Sports tyres are "semi slicks", which I don't agree with. I think Sports tyres are premium street tyres more suited to higher performance cars, and the only true track tyres or slicks in the game are the Racing tyres. Which is why the Zonda R and Furai have racing hards if i remember correctly.

Anyway i guess that's an argument for that thread, not this!