The Race to 6:59.999. King of The Ring Challenge.

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I know the F1 is possible. ZZII probably. Cebera and S2000 are questionable due to the ambiguity surrounding their production and street legality. Lets be honest, they really are not road cars. I guess I can allow them with an asterisk...
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I marked the Cerbera as a concept/prototype: no way to consider it a production car, even if it is road legal (Info: wikipedia, supercars.net).

In 2000, TVR was determined to keep the project going and launched a road-going version called the Cerbera Speed 12. A single example was shown for the British Motor Show that year, built from the racing cars but with with an unrestricted engine and huge Goodyear Fioranos. Orders were taken for a 160,000 GBP, ''McLaren-beating supercar'' that was going to be TVRs most expensive to date. Peter Wheeler who owned TVR at the time, took the prototype for a drive hime and he ''concluded that the car was unusable on the road''- all orders were cancelled.

In 2003, TVR made the unusual step to sell their road-going Speed 12 in the local Autotrader. Registered W112 BHG, this car was fitted with mild cams and ECU mapping which reduced the power to 880 bhp. It has since seen a healthy schedule of publicity, appearing in many UK magazines, prominent motor shows and even Gran Turismo 4.
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TVR site is down, and there is no way to confirm in other ways the source of Wikipedia, that marked the Speed12 as a 'built only for competition' 'never went into production'

Amuse is not a constructor: the S2000 is a tuned car. Only RUF has a constructor license among the 'redesigned' cars. Also Abarth has, but we haven't in GT5 :guilty:

Is all correct? :dunce:
 
Went into a tunnel vision type trance with the McLaren, further dropped my time to :04. I think it might be possible, Totally loving this car!
 
Well done, Peluski!

Just did a quick test to satisfy my own curiosity about something....

The GT by Citroën Road car is surprisingly capable at the nominal specs listed in Wikipedia; they list 646 as the stock bhp of the road car. I know this has little bearing on the challenge at hand, but it was my itch to scratch ;-)


I quickly ran it up with Engine Stage 2 and a couple of different arrangements of turbos or air filter/exhaust. It seemed most manageable actually somewhat under said spec without either turbo; at this level, in my fairly average hands, it can reach the end of the second sector in under 1:20 (Ds3 and AT). I badly blew the first full lap in a few places, but came in at around 7:10ish.

The brakes and handling are decent considering the S1s and it being a bit of a porker; the gearbox and engine work well.
(And it can have yet more ponies!)

It's a bit sad they pulled production. That much aero on a production car ... Yikes.

But let the ZZII and F1 duke it out. I think they're the only two other real production cars with a whelk's chance in a supernova on Sports Hards.
 
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I'm sorry, I have no Portuguese, other than what Google provides.

Um, Pneus: Corrida Macio are Racing Soft tires, yes? Nice lap, but I think you'll need a brand new, unmodified 458 with only Sports hard (um, Pneus: Esportes rígido?) for this particular challenge.

It is a lovely car, and the stock 458 can probably manage somewhere in the 7:15 to 7:25 range; I would be delighted to learn it could do better.

It is also within the bounds of possibility a Zonda C12S 7.3 could get it done, but I think it more likely it will wind up with tires that look like something Di Resta has had a tilt at ;-)
 
Sorry Razakproject, I hoped it was obvious. You have to read all 1st post to be under the statement ;)
 
I hadn't read this

- HP and torque must be within +/- 5hp/ft-lbs/lbs of the real life stock car (You may use the engine and chassis rebuild. You may also power limiter, oil changes, car wash and ballast to achieve this. This accounts for PD's weird stats system).
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It's the way I usually play, but didn't checked actually supercars here mentioned.
It is easier with oil change and power limiter.
 
Duck
All rules are in the first post. Car setup? You aren't allowed to change anything.
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Unless of course the tuneable parts come stock with the car ;)

I would recommend trying the car first without changing anything.

@ugabugaz...A 7'04:xxx is pretty darn fast for that car in my opinion. Nice one! How much time do you think you can knock off from that do you reckon? Definitely have to push the car to the limit and be ready to correct any oversteer at a moments notice. If any car has a chance...this one might be the next one to break it.

@Paskowitz Have you been able to beat your 7'05 time for the F1?

@Both What are your splits with the F1?

I will try the McF1 next and then come back to the ZZII I need to get used to the F1.

I'll try and provide the saves to both the Bugatti and Amuse times I set so you guys can use the ghost to try and match or beat the splits.

Estimated Splits (Bugatti and Amuse):
0:45-46
1:18-19
2:45-46
3:16-17
3:40-41
4:28-29
5:05-07
6:14-17
6:35-36
6:59-7:00

I'll get more accurate splits tonight.
 
with italia i think its impossible, what car do you recommend? i can make 7:30:xxx clean lap, with more pratice maybe can do better, but less than 7, i dont thing so.
 
The only cars I believe can do it at this point or have a shot are:

Bugatti Veyron
S2000 GT1 Turbo (not really a production car)
Cerbera Speed 12 '00 - (not really a production car)
McLaren F1 '94
ZZII '00

Enzo might be able to do it too based on specs but driving it to a sub-7 is another question.

I would start with those.
 
F1 at 7:04.447. Its possible but you have to maximize your corner exit by not spinning the tires... which is pretty darn hard, especially on the section between the two karussells (karussell to schwalbenschanz). Flugplatz and Mutcurve are also pretty hard to nail since they are so high speed.
 
Finally got the ghost saves to my computer so I'll be attaching two zip files. One for the amuse and one for the bugatti. You may have to login to download them.


Like I said I would do...here are the splits for both cars:

Format: [Split #]. [Split Time] | [Overall Elapsed Time]

Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo
01. 45.214 | 0:45.214
02. 33.503 | 1:18.717
03. 28.826 | 1:47.543
04. 50.811 | 2:38.354
05. 37.501 | 3:15.855
06. 24.975 | 3:40.830
07. 48.706 | 4:29.536
08. 35.067 | 5:04.603
09. 28.798 | 5:33.401
10. 41.864 | 6:15.265
11. 21.673 | 6:36.938
12. 22.795 | 6:59.733

Bugatti Veyron
01. 45.000 | 0:45.000
02. 33.785 | 1:18.785
03. 27.726 | 1:46.511
04. 51.776 | 2:38.287
05. 36.785 | 3:15.072
06. 25.798 | 3:40.870
07. 49.514 | 4:30.384
08. 35.724 | 5:06.109
09. 29.223 | 5:35.332
10. 42.087 | 6:17.419
11. 19.136 | 6:36.553
12. 22.738 | 6:59.291

Hope this helps during your lap comparisons if you decide not to use the ghosts. I use the ghost time of the Bugatti and just hide the ghost.
 

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Thanks for the splits, Peluski - would be very helpful. I think you can pretty much tell from the second split whether it can be done in a car or not - would you agree?

Note that for those who may not have run into this before, PAL (EU, Australia et al) region users can't view NTSC replays (Canada/US/Japan et al).

Also,I'm unlikely to post any full results in the short to mid term, but I might over time try to evaluate notional recreations for the Citroen GT, the LFA Nurburgring Edition (looks like LFA+ECU+Aero parts+drivetrain+height or full adj suspension), and the Zonda F (Zonda C12S 7.3 + ECU, intake, exhaust.)

Would these be of interest, or not at all due to the non-stock nature?
 
Ealirendur
Thanks for the splits, Peluski - would be very helpful. I think you can pretty much tell from the second split whether it can be done in a car or not - would you agree?

Note that for those who may not have run into this before, PAL (EU, Australia et al) region users can't view NTSC replays (Canada/US/Japan et al).

Also,I'm unlikely to post any full results in the short to mid term, but I might over time try to evaluate notional recreations for the Citroen GT, the LFA Nurburgring Edition (looks like LFA+ECU+Aero parts+drivetrain+height or full adj suspension), and the Zonda F (Zonda C12S 7.3 + ECU, intake, exhaust.)

Would these be of interest, or not at all due to the non-stock nature?
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Your welcome! Yes, for the most part you can tell, but it could also be that you haven't driven the car to its full potential so I would recommend doing several laps to see where your times are consistently falling before throwing the flag up.

There is another thread that does the same challenge with tuned production cars. It might be better to post those results in there. I check into both frequently to see what's happening. You can find the link to the thread from within this thread. Page 1 or 2 I know has it.

@Paskowitz and ugabugaz - How much HP does your F1's have? I'm sitting at 623HP...I've seen various sites that say stock HP is around 627HP or so. Thoughts?
 
Peluski17
There is another thread that does the same challenge with tuned production cars. It might be better to post those results in there. I check into both frequently to see what's happening. You can find the link to the thread from within this thread. Page 1 or 2 I know has it.
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Probably a fair call, but I was mildly interested in the recreation aspect at advertised specs - as you say, there was the completely stock thread, I guess, and there's the other modded threads. There's no stock way to do this for Zonda F or the LFA Nurburgring edition, which have documented real runs. I know I can't recreate them exactly, but I like to tinker a bit over time.

Good luck!
 
I think a few more cars could make it and the F1 would definitely make it (much easier at least) if the transmission was tuneable... some of these cars stock have horrible ratios. The McLaren F1 for instance is set to have a top speed of 305ish yet you can't even get out of 5th gear (even on the long straight)...'tis a shame.
 
I don't think the ZZII was ever a production car. They wanted it to be, but they never made anymore than a single road-going prototype. I believe ASL (of Garaiya fame) bought the rights to make it, but never made anything more than another prototype.

Here is a datasheet of all the cars they've made up until like 2007, and the ZZII isn't there, but its older brother the ZZ-S is.

all_machine.jpg


ASL prototype of the car, note the hummingbird emblem on the nose.

zzii.jpg
 
Interesting find poet. If that's the case, then i can stop worrying about it and focusing solely on the McF1...Looks like only two production cars will have the ability to break the 7min...that is if one of us can get the F1 under the time.
 
poet
I don't think the ZZII was ever a production car. They wanted it to be, but they never made anymore than a single road-going prototype. I believe ASL (of Garaiya fame) bought the rights to make it, but never made anything more than another prototype.

Here is a datasheet of all the cars they've made up until like 2007, and the ZZII isn't there, but its older brother the ZZ-S is.
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I did the same research some months ago: aside of the the concept status, it was a bit hard to find specs:

http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/vehicles/road/cars/tommy_kaira_zz2.html

I couldn't resist to try some laps yesterday, in arcade mode. I gave a try with the F40 just to acclimate with supercar speed, but I found it to nervous, oversteering and turbo lagged. The MP412c can go very near, but I don't think can even break the 7:10 limit. The S7 in my garage was a bit underpowered with 1180km in the engine, but still to far.
All these cars was quite oversteering and I didn't find it a good thing at Nurburg.
If you are allowing the Amuse, you have to consider all tuned cars. I did two laps with the HPA TT and found it very grippy... in the 7:10-7:20 range
 

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