The Race to 6:59.999. King of The Ring Challenge.

[ugabugaz]

I've fiddled around with different balance settings but I too have had the best response with a 5-4 brake balance. I'll give it a go again tonight after work. I can taste victory coming soon.

@ugabugaz Is that with a stock Enzo? I might have to go back to the car if thats the case.

McLaren.

 

[Peluski17]

Engine: mine is now at 667CV without oil change, but IRL is 660CV and can't go under 662CV following the rules. What do you think?
Gear ratios are wrong, but are these of the F1 too (sources: http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ferrari/enzo/enzo/2004.html http://www.f1cartvideos.com/toptencar3.html )

So, under the rules (SH etc), I tweaked braking to 10/10, because imho the car didn't stop in a decent space. Times came down to 7:27, very near to the Evo Magazine test (7:25 with a broken damper!!) which is the same time obtained by Peluski17 (Kudos to him!!!!) after only 3 laps

Comparing split times with the Bugatti, I lost time almost everywhere. Splits were the same only in these sections:
Adenau (Aremberg to Adenauer Forst)
Kesselchen (until Angstkurve)
Also lost 2" between Galgenkopf and finish line, due to the lack (?) of power.
IMHO, under actual rules my limit should be in the 7:10-7:20 range. A better skilled driver have to make a try 👍

Great amount of information! 👍

Why can't you go under the 662CV limit? I may be reading this wrong lol. You can use power limiter.

I think I'll have to try the F1 at some point with the correct gear ratios and see how she fares...I would really like to use 6th gear haha.

Keep working hard with the Enzo! In theory, my theory hah, the car has the potential to break it, but the way PD has it setup stock might be the key decider.

Yeah, in some sectors I'm quicker with the F1 and some I'm slower. I always seem to lose more time than gain so it's a constant struggle. With the F1 I lose 1-2 secs down the long straight-away as well so the goal is to be up by that amount going onto the straight. Easier said than done.

@ugabugaz Ah, ok. You had quoted Duck with him talking about the Enzo so I wasn't sure. Brake balance definitely is a key factor using this car. Gotta find the most comfortable one for your driving style. That's an awesome time with a DS3!

The biggest problem with the wheel is over-correcting. Very rarily will you save it and if you do your time will be shot anyways or you will miss the braking point. Sometimes I feel the throttle is hit or miss regardless of how careful you are.

Interesting track breakdown as well! 👍

 

[Duck]

Why can't you go under the 662CV limit? I may be reading this wrong lol. You can use power limiter.

Due to the +-5hp rule. I've 667 horses now.....

 

[Jamie-C]

Yeah, the GT-R will definitely not break the 7min barrier and is very easy to handle on sports hard compared to cars like the F1. I would recommend giving this competition a shot. It's tough, but fun!

Oops, my apologies, I thought this thread was about the trophy for beating the official GT-R record.

Now I look like a ****

I must give this a try now since I've posted in the thread!

 

[Peluski17]

Due to the +-5hp rule. I've 667 horses now.....

The rule states that you should be within +/- 5HP of the actual car in real life. Not from what you can obtain at 100% power. Therefore you can be as high as 665 and as low as 655CV.

 

[Peluski17]

Just did a 7:04.7xx tonight. Pretty much what I thought was a perfect run although there was a few wheel spinning corners where I lost a little time correcting. Probably could have been a 02 or 03 but not enough for the ultimate goal. It almost feels like the car will be the car that gets the closest to 7min without going under.

 

[paskowitz]

Just did a 7:04.7xx tonight. Pretty much what I thought was a perfect run although there was a few wheel spinning corners where I lost a little time correcting. Probably could have been a 02 or 03 but not enough for the ultimate goal. It almost feels like the car will be the car that gets the closest to 7min without going under.

I think it is possible. I messed up bad, twice and still got a 7:06.xxx. You just need to carry enough speed through each corner, be perfectly smooth and insanely brave. Could you upload your replay file of your latest F1 lap so I can see how you are approaching each corner? Maybe we can help each other if you faster in a certain section or I am.

 

[Jamie-C]

Going to give this a shot tomorrow in the F1, I will post my results when I do

 

[Peluski17]

Here's my McLaren F1 replay save. I know I lost some time in the last sector heading towards the long straight. Not one of my smoother drives through it, but not my worst -- Probably could of had a low 7:03 had I stayed smooth.

This car is a handful, but its very fun to drive because you have to be at the limit throughout the entire lap and constantly correcting for oversteer. Most cars in the game do not feel this way. It's a thrill...now I just need surround sound and a bass. Maybe a playseat too and a nice HDTV haha.

 

[Peluski17]

Going to give this a shot tomorrow in the F1, I will post my results when I do

Excellent! It will take many laps to acclimate to the cars characteristics, but eventually you will see your consistency improve and times fall. It's definitely a love/hate relationship.

 

[Duck]

The rule states that you should be within +/- 5HP of the actual car in real life. Not from what you can obtain at 100% power. Therefore you can be as high as 665 and as low as 655CV.

Thanks for the explanation, I misunderstanded the rule.

Limiting power to 660CV now.

 

[Peluski17]

Thanks for the explanation, I misunderstanded the rule.

Limiting power to 660CV now.

No problem! You can have it as high as 665 - why not take all the power you can get!

 

[Jamie-C]

On the ferry to Germany now with my F1, the maximum BHP I'm aloud to run is 632bhp isn't it?

Edit: The car is appalling to drive! Did a 7:18.6 on my first attempt with loads of wheel spin and an off, plenty of room for improvement but I'm backing out of this challenge as the car is terrible

 

[Peluski17]

On the ferry to Germany now with my F1, the maximum BHP I'm aloud to run is 632bhp isn't it?

Edit: The car is appalling to drive! Did a 7:18.6 on my first attempt with loads of wheel spin and an off, plenty of room for improvement but I'm backing out of this challenge as the car is terrible

What input device are you using? It is difficult to control at first, but it grows on you and actually becomes challenging-ly fun. And yes, 632 is correct although knowing it's gear ratio is poor I really wouldn't mind boosting that number

 

[Peluski17]

@Paskowitz What is your verdict? haha Also, can you send me your replay?

 

[Jamie-C]

What input device are you using? It is difficult to control at first, but it grows on you and actually becomes challenging-ly fun. And yes, 632 is correct although knowing it's gear ratio is poor I really wouldn't mide boosting that number

I'm using a G25, I'm just used to hammering cars to there maximum and pushing them to the limit not pussy footing around feathering the throttle. I might give it another shot tomorrow

 

[Peluski17]

Just got a 7:03.818 tonight with a pretty sexy lap if I say so. An improvement of about 9 tenths of a second over my previous PB. I'm uploading the video of it in TV camera mode. Lost some time in a few areas though. Could have been faster.

Need to find or not lose about two seconds in the sector before the long straight. Went into the sector +2-3sec and came out +5...every time, but the Amuse has much more downforce as well. At the end of the long straight I gain about 2 sec on the Amuse so if I can mitigate that loss then we might be able to achieve the sub-7.

 

[Peluski17]

Enjoy, I hope

 

[ugabugaz]

Enjoy, I hope
removed vid to save space

Very smooth lap. One spot where I think you could squeeze some time would be the corner at 1:37. Going closer to the inside kerb (One on the left) and sort of jumping a bit over it(Or I guess riding it), you could probably take that corner a few MPH faster.

Taking the karoussel a little bit more aggressively could perhaps yield a few hundreds too.

Corner at 5:52, Dunno if you pushed it to the limit, but I think you could gain a bit of time there too.

Coincidentally my McLaren is the same color as yours.

Unfortunately I'm going on vacation so I won't be able to do any more laps after tonight. Break that barrier for me.

View this vid for a way to take the karoussel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7nALkkQ7SY&feature=player_detailpage#t=16s
Important bit at 18 seconds in +

 

[Peluski17]

Very smooth lap. One spot where I think you could squeeze some time would be the corner at 1:37. Going closer to the inside kerb (One on the left) and sort of jumping a bit over it(Or I guess riding it), you could probably take that corner a few MPH faster.

Taking the karoussel a little bit more aggressively could perhaps yield a few hundreds too.

Corner at 5:52, Dunno if you pushed it to the limit, but I think you could gain a bit of time there too.

Coincidentally my McLaren is the same color as yours.

Unfortunately I'm going on vacation so I won't be able to do any more laps after tonight. Break that barrier for me.

View this vid for a way to take the karoussel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7nALkkQ7SY&feature=player_detailpage#t=16s
Important bit at 18 seconds in +

Excellent notes ugabugaz -

@1:37 - On runs where I have used that kerb I have noticed faster times, but the trick is being consistent through there. When using that kerb there is a much higher chance the car will lurch left after jumping it and usually that means spinning out after over-correcting or missing the brake point for the next turn and going wide. If you nail it then I agree it does shave some time.

@karoussel - I'll give that tip a try, but with this car I'll probably spin it 9/10 tries.

@5:52 - You are correct, I can get more time there. On this particular lap I tried to brake a little later than my usual mark and it ended up costing me some time as I didn't keep enough speed/momentum into the corner and then because of that I didn't have a great turn-in for the next corner. I probably lost a few tenths there on this lap.

Thanks for the comments and suggestions! Have fun on your vacation. We'll keep working on it.

 

[Duck]

I pushed hard the Enzo yesterday. Was going to a sub 7:20 lap, with a fair constant 2" gap per sector, except of Kesselchen and Adenau.
I went off as a stupid at Galgenkopf, just before the long straight. I don't think a better driver can go 20" seconds faster than me.
My last split was 5:51 at Pflantzgarten III (5:35 with the Peluski's Veyron). I usually lose 2" around the corners I went off, 1" on the straight and another 1" on last bends.
Good luck with the F1

 

[LP670-4 SV]

Cars that i think can break the barrier...

Enzo Brutally fast but must be driven very different becuase it carries its speed a LOT....break EARLY, coast it through the turn and the power out.. (break balance is key for a sub 7 min time)

F1 Even faster than the Enzo but WAY harder to drive.... its the fastest road car on a straight winding road but on the twistiest the ridiculous wheel spin in lower gear is a killer on a DS3 (which I only have).......This can break the 7 minutes barrier but you have to be absolutely insane/brave when going around the turns....the car can handle them its just half the time your to scared to go full balls in

Mp4-12c a blend between the Enzo and F1...it just like to oversteer a LOT

458 Italia Next to the LFA its the best handling super car in my opinion, i can routinely lap Suzuka/Fuji/Laguna Sec 1-2 seconds faster than the Enzo...this has a shot of beating the 7 minute barrier

LFA To me its the best handling road car in the game...its perfectly balanced and by far the easiest to drive at 110% percent, just the acceleration in 1st gear is

LP670-4 SV This and the Enzo are equal around a track, the only problem with this car is the 4WD system is retarded....you cannot drive this car over the limit or you will crash.....it grips..grips....grips.....squeal............bang and crash its very unnerving

 

[Peluski17]

Based on my lap times, it looks like I can set a time a little over 1.5sec quicker than my 7:03.818. That would put me around 7:02.3xx. I'm not entirely positive I can find another 2.3s...if we post each others splits we can put together the fastest splits into one and this can give us a better picture of the time this car may be able to produce.

 

[nervous24]

I grabbed the GT1. I set it to 605hp and added downforce just as peluski did. I just finished my first lap and posted a 6:59.954. After smoothing it out I'd expect it to hit 6:58 easy, maybe faster. After I smooth things out I'll get a video up and post the link here

 

[Peluski17]

I grabbed the GT1. I set it to 605hp and added downforce just as peluski did. I just finished my first lap and posted a 6:59.954. After smoothing it out I'd expect it to hit 6:58 easy, maybe faster. After I smooth things out I'll get a video up and post the link here

Nice! That car handles marvelously with full downforce. I know for certain a faster time can be set. My lap wasn't as clean as it could have been and I was probably a little conservative on a few corners. Love the car.

 

[DOUQA]

Managed a 6'59.784 in the Mclaren F1. Stock weight and limited to 632bhp.

 

[Peluski17]

Superb lap Douqa! Gah this makes me want to get right back into the cockpit and try to match it haha! And the funny thing is you can probably find a little bit more time in a few places - crazy. What was your brake balance set at and were you using a G25?

Cheers!

 

[DOUQA]

Brake bias was 5/5. I tried running with rear bias but kept binning it under braking. Once I got used to the understeer on corner entry it was ok at 5/5. You just have to be really steady and try to keep mistakes to a minimum. As you said, there is more time there but after really trying to nail it every time, and repeatedly going off track I decided to take it steady and just get a clean lap done.

When I did the 7'01.1 I knew it would be easy to break the 7 minute mark so after a fairly good first sector I just concentrated on getting round in one piece and there it was.

Oh and yes, G25.👍

 

[Peluski17]

I noticed one of my weaknesses after watching your video. It also occurred to me during the GT Academy. I brake more than is necessary for some turns causing me to be slower. I'm going to try again tonight and see what happens. Steady and in control is the key to taming this beast. You also have to gas it at every single opportunity (ie wheel at 0 degrees and not turning).

Can you post your splits for comparisons? Based on the video you were already quicker than me from the get-go lol.

 

[DOUQA]

The splits dont show up on the best lap replay but IIRC you can get them from the timing screen. I'll check tomorrow and post. Might have crack with the Enzo while Im at it.