The Rolex Sports Car Series- Season 2! Finished! Thanks Everyone!
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- cnd01
Great Race yesterday guys. Great job to Shin who was a full 2 seconds off of race pace. He stuck the tires out though. I didn't get a good look at Ant and Seth's incident. I was prob 4 seconds behind them at that time. I will look at the replay sometime after work today. Great job on keeping it to one caution this time. Daytona had way to many. Nurb was a blast. Looking forward to next week. 👍
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- GTP_ghskilla
Theres nothing to argue about, in quali I was a clear second or so pole than anyone. (Cowboy was almost 2 sec off me)
Then everyone that was behind me just ran off anywhere they could to hold on to me, mostly T2 and T4, which I found very, very frustrating and it wasn't like one lap then 5 laps later it was every single lap.. Cowboys did it until atleast lap 4 before I pulled away and made around a minute lead. Then after the caution meantioned above. (Btw Cowboys you do realise it your job if you are off track make sure you rejoin safely! So yes if that is the version of events you are to blame.) Gskilla also ran wide at T4 for 6 laps atleast after we went green after this caution.. (And this isn't a few few feet wide I'm talkin about this is metres wide..)
This being my first impression of the series it's not great if I'm honest, afterall if guys are prepared to run wide/cheat to keep up with a faster driver what else would they be willing to do...
I ran wide because when I was battling with Mel he was using that run off to pass me a couple of times and so I just assumed it was allowed.
Also, I'll switch to Ferrari. Tacom can take my place.
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- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
Well to me thats nonesence by OLR rules it's illegal and since you guys are running by them you may want to read them again...
freshseth83
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- freshseth83
If you're past the green part of the track, that's 4 wheels off track. I can see doing that because you ran wide. But people were using that as part of the track. That's not right. In my mirrors I saw Anthony and Cnd racing eachother, and the other DP's- no names but almost every lap someone was using the green at liberty. Another thing with the cautions, the guy who causes it basically gets no penalty. Everyone pits, and the guy who was involved/caused it gets off scot-free, fresh tires, and just has to start right behind the limited cars we have. So basically it's a free pit. Maybe I should cause a caution when I'm 50 seconds behind so I can get free tires and start right behind the DP guys. That's about the only thing I have an issue with regarding the cautions. If you're involved maybe you should go to the back of the entire field. Because it's like a free catch-up play.
ITCC_Andrew
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Yeah, at first I was going inside the green line, but when Mel was just using it to pass me I got tired of getting a disadvantage since everyone was using it. So that just sort of tipped me over. I mean, it wasn't just me using it, but when someone uses it to pass you and not get a penalty, it sort of makes it unfair.
ITCC_Andrew
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My opinion: "Still better than making contact. If I had slowed down, and used the other side, I would have botched/been hit by Damu."
So, I try to use run-off, rather than create contact. I needed my tires to last.
Honestly, though, I'm disappointed with the "let's brake really late in Turn 1 and watch Melons try to squirm about on the outside, because he looks back and sees 4 or 5 cars braking late into T1." Thanks.
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- cnd01
The problem with your idea is that the DP will come charging through the GT field. That does an injustice to the GT field because their restart is interrupted by a hard charging DP. That could lead to more cautions. Maybe we need to look at the cautions on the replay to determine their legitimacy. A steward might be needed as well.
Also everyone don't slow down for a caution until TWO people type caution. Technically I should have had the lead when the official caution came out. I passed Seth before the second caution message came out, but I knew it would be a 🤬 move and I would rather pass Seth by being faster than him than a technicality where he was doing the right thing and slowing down for the caution.
If you choose not to pit under caution and you aren't on the lead lap, don't hesitate to take off and get your lap back. You may pit on your wave around lap and try to catch up after that.
freshseth83
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Two people DID say caution. Cowboys and Anthony both said caution. About going to the very rear- DP's have to pass lap traffic anyway, so when we restart we always go on the front straight. That's the easiest place for the DP's to make a pass on GT traffic.
@Mel, nothing happened. Except Anthony turning me around then driving off like nothing happened. Maybe he figured it was his chance to catch Shin who was on super old tires. We were catching him like he was a GT. He took me out and proceeded to drive on. I would have called caution, but he was already two turns ahead. Kinda defeats the purpose as it's the last lap anyway.
@Mel, nothing happened. Except Anthony turning me around then driving off like nothing happened. Maybe he figured it was his chance to catch Shin who was on super old tires. We were catching him like he was a GT. He took me out and proceeded to drive on. I would have called caution, but he was already two turns ahead. Kinda defeats the purpose as it's the last lap anyway.
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- cnd01
I was ahead of you when the second person messaged caution. The first person already had, but it wasn't until I was past you when Cowboys typed caution.
On a track like Daytona RC you have basically no room before T1 which isn't a good turn to pass multiple cars on a restart on.
freshseth83
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Cowboys said it first cnd. You must not have seen, because he said it twice. The first time I didn't stop, then Anthony said it about a half minute later and I let off, then Cowboys said it again until finally every slowed. Weve already done Daytona, so I don't know what your example is supposed to indicate. The DP's have no trouble shooting past the GTs on the straights, especially at a standing or rolling (re)start. It's a penalty for being involved in an incident. If you can't overtake every GT by T1, oh well.
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- cnd01
You might be right, but I saw that Ant said COWBOYS! and then Ant said caution. If so then no big deal you stayed in the lead so no problem 👍
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- unrealanthony
Seth, here you are the incident!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDbPzHQJ-yQ&feature=youtu.be
Watch and think about it because you said me a lot of bad things to me, and I think you are wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDbPzHQJ-yQ&feature=youtu.be
Watch and think about it because you said me a lot of bad things to me, and I think you are wrong!
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- unrealanthony
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Fixed it so it can be seen in the thread 👍.
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- polarbear345
cnd01
First incident was racing with lag.
Second, I'm saying it was more Seth than anything. He was rejoining the track and didn't look to see where Anthony was... And they collided.
freshseth83
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I drove in the corner nice and deep so he could have the inside line. That's the prefered line for the next turn. Again, you're only seeing his side of the video. Seeing the lag he had it's easy to understand that I thought I had him clear, and he was going to use the inside of the track. Not come all the way down to where I was. There was no reason to spin me. And I'm not beat for racing against this guy who every race has the same lag issues over and over. Then puts up his little version of the story on youtube like he's mr. innocent. I didn't 'rejoin' the track. I never went off the track! I was down at the bottom of the turn, staying to the left near the curbing. Why didn't he go to the inside of T1? It makes no sense. You can see from his video where my car was in T1. He drove in and clipped the inside, but didn't stay his line. If someone is ahead of you and they're at the left side of the track, why would you go down to where that person is if you're on the right side of the track initially in your turn?
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- Johnnypenso
Seth was the ahead car in the second incident and is entitled to setup to take his racing line into the next corner without interference from a car behind. The behind car did not have enough overlap to attempt a pass into the corner either. It's the second cars' responsbility to avoid contact in that scenario. A prudent, cautious driver would not have rushed up beside that lead car, without first determining where the lead car was going in reference to his approach to the impending corner, especially considering the lead car went a bit wide in the previous corner.
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The chicane incident IMO is the old saying nice guys finish last 
Seth could have given more room, but he didn't have to.
In the hairpin, however, Seth drove in too deep, ran wide, and cut back across Ant's line. I think Seth was trying to get a better angle into the Mercedes arena, but Ant was already beside him. Basically he spun himself.
BASICALLY ANT DID THE SAME THING IN T1 THAT SETH DID IN THE CHICANE. USE THE GOLDEN RULE!!!
@JP: Seth had ran wide and was re-entering the track. That's my interpretation of the incident. If you look at Ant's rear end, he is trying to move away from Seth, but the collision is unavoidable with the angles both drivers were taking.
Seth could have given more room, but he didn't have to. In the hairpin, however, Seth drove in too deep, ran wide, and cut back across Ant's line. I think Seth was trying to get a better angle into the Mercedes arena, but Ant was already beside him. Basically he spun himself.
BASICALLY ANT DID THE SAME THING IN T1 THAT SETH DID IN THE CHICANE. USE THE GOLDEN RULE!!!
@JP: Seth had ran wide and was re-entering the track. That's my interpretation of the incident. If you look at Ant's rear end, he is trying to move away from Seth, but the collision is unavoidable with the angles both drivers were taking.
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- unrealanthony
LOL. Do you really talking seriously?, you are special Seth, you will never accept other views, it has not sense!
freshseth83
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^Thanks Johnny, I left him room by going into the turn that deep. It wasn't an overbrake. He took the turn the lap before tight to the right, which I assumed he was going to repeat. Instead he turns in sharply to the right, but tried to put his car where mine was. I didn't turn into him. In his video you only see me turn to the right after the contact is made. The first incident I told you was lag. First he is right beside me, then all of a sudden he is behind me, so I took the turn normally without jumping the curbs. On my screen if someone is behind me, I take it he isn't trying to pass, especially there.
freshseth83
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I must be special, you're always bumping into me. I saw your view. It's trying to blame me for your botched overtakes. That's not seeing my view, that's your one sided view. I don't have a problem with you, but with your connection issues. How many times did you have to rejoin the room? 5? 6? We even made a new room because of people with this problem. Every race it's the same story. You get around someone and you bump them. You push them off track. I raced CND for half the race and we never touched. Why is that when you come to race against him you're bumping him all over the track? And then you come up to me and it's the same story? Don't try to pin blame on me for running what I see. Everyone makes mistakes, but I'm not taking blame for your lag issues. Or for your overtaking gone bad. I try to be consistent around you and you don't give me the same treatment. I try to give you space by taking turns to the outside, and you still manage to find me. What more can I do?
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