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I should also add my entry in GT is based purely on how I get on with DP in the spot race.
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- damuemogirl
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In DP, we normally pass, but we give spots back once we have caught up to the leader. That's the easiest way.
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- damuemogirl
I know what we normally have, yet Storm was trying to change it to no overtaking.
I reckon that for leading GT cars getting passed by DP in a caution is simply a case of waiting for a straight.
With Storm, I think he's trying to imagine scenarios where DP has lapped say 5th, but 4th is 10 seconds down the road and not been lapped; but the "no overtake" makes it worse for them.
Storm has a habit of making simple things over-complicated.
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I think whatever works best for GT guys should be used. DP should be allowed to pass GT in the event of a caution anyway. Otherwise, that would be a test of patience (or lack there of) for DP.
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Simple resolution, limit DP leader to 40 mph, other DP and GT leader to 70 mph, GT to 100mph? It's then up to those following to make sure to slow down when they catch up. This would require maybe a 200m gap between DP tail end of the chain & GT leader. But then this removes the no overtake. Also, what about lapped cars?
Need db Dave to clarify what he meant as well.
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Simple resolution, limit DP leader to 40 mph, other DP and GT leader to 70 mph, GT to 100mph? It's then up to those following to make sure to slow down when they catch up. This would require maybe a 200m gap between DP tail end of the chain & GT leader. But then this removes the no overtake. Also, what about lapped cars?
Need db Dave to clarify what he meant as well.
I would think the non class leading cars should run race pace until they catch up. GT can get closer to the DP field or fall further behind after the pit stops. I would make sure classes are all caught up before I worry about the restart.
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Or perhaps you've missed my point completely...
I'm trying to imagine scenarios where we aren't having to park up in a random-ass spot to wait for people when everyone is halfway through a lap, then spending another two laps getting organised.
And the no overtaking part only applied to catching up to the Leading DP car. Allowing DP to overtake GT on a straight is a good idea, and not something I hadn't overlooked.
Instead of assuming I'm trying to overcomplicate things, ask if you're not sure on something.
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I was distracted a little yesterday, I have been working on a video after all, so could I be forgiven for being a little vague? Thanks...
My idea was that we have a clear-cut place for the overall leader of the race (DP leader) to wait without outright stopping (cue start/finish line then slowing to 40 mph)... then, the rest of the field focus on catching up to that person knowing that once they cross the start/finish line, the DP leader isn't going to be too far away, thus preparing them to slow down without doing it suddenly... normally wave-by's and filtering traffic occur here anyway, so it's not like anyone's really going to be losing ground on anyone else.
It's the same procedure as always, the only difference is that I'm trying to neaten the process up a lot more. Honestly, you can't say that we've ever had a caution with NO issues whatsoever. I mean, we ask every week whether pits stops under caution are mandatory or not. That's 30 races since the beginning of rolex, excluding pre-season and spot races; you'd think we'd be muttering that in our sleep the amount of times we've gone over it.
My idea was that we have a clear-cut place for the overall leader of the race (DP leader) to wait without outright stopping (cue start/finish line then slowing to 40 mph)... then, the rest of the field focus on catching up to that person knowing that once they cross the start/finish line, the DP leader isn't going to be too far away, thus preparing them to slow down without doing it suddenly... normally wave-by's and filtering traffic occur here anyway, so it's not like anyone's really going to be losing ground on anyone else.
It's the same procedure as always, the only difference is that I'm trying to neaten the process up a lot more. Honestly, you can't say that we've ever had a caution with NO issues whatsoever. I mean, we ask every week whether pits stops under caution are mandatory or not. That's 30 races since the beginning of rolex, excluding pre-season and spot races; you'd think we'd be muttering that in our sleep the amount of times we've gone over it.
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Thus you over-complicated it by saying "no overtaking" as not overtaking the lead car is a case of "No 🤬 Sherlock!" or only overtaking at the lead car chain will make a mess unless there's a significant gap between the DP tail end & the GT lead car.
Besides, if everyone's at the same pace semi-race pace you suggested, who's going to be overtaking?
In other news, it's a sad sad day for GT5. One of me and Storm's Asian friends has purchased the game. He crashes more often than Grosjean. A truly sad day.
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I didn't think cautions were that bad 
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I thought the caution procedure was fine too.
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Of course that's a case of "no 🤬 sherlock", and there are three cases I know where overtaking at the lead car chain occurs. One is a wave-by for lapped cars, another is for the wave-by of GT to get a lap back on DP, and the third is when DP and GT are filtering out from between each other.
As long as nobody is going over that limit, then clearly nobody should overtake anyone. However, DP can take corners a faster and accelerate faster than GT cars, so the urge is there to overtake if a DP catches up to a GT car, and can do the overtake within the limit of the pace set. Hence the "no overtaking" part, and hence why I added that DP being allowed to overtake GTs on a straightaway only was a sensible idea.
I've always thought no pitting on catch up lap was the norm.
To be honest, if everyone thinks cautions are fine how they are then keep it. The majority of us are used to it anyway, so doing some things a little differently will probably just cause problems and confusion.
I just thought I'd put an idea out there, see what feedback I got. Apparently it's too complicated, so....
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Remove the "No overtake" and we're getting somewhere.
Apply rules such as:
1) No weaving, we're still on catch-up lap.
2) Everyone who's in the chain follows the same line.
3) Apply a 120mph catch-up speed limit.
4) Reduce the speed limit when overtaking if you need a wave-by, or are a DP car working through the GT chain.
Then all those who need to be "waved-by" or working through the GT class shouldn't have any problems.
Also, GT doesn't need to get the wave-by's because that adds another layer which isn't necessary. The only reason we did at Suzuka was because no GT pitted & all of DP pitted.
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Forgive the lack of quality. I used a camcorder and Window Movie Maker...
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Tez_SP17
Still looks really good 👍
ITCC_Andrew
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I'm getting portions of this race on capture card.
The Season 4 thread is where, though?
Edit: Seth's divebomb spin will be on YouTube.
The Season 4 thread is where, though?
Edit: Seth's divebomb spin will be on YouTube.
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Well, DP really isnt for me. So i'll definitely be in the ferrari for season 4
freshseth83
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No one cares.
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It was pretty funny
All of a sudden BAM Seth's spinning flying through the first turn! XD
ITCC_Andrew
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It was pretty funny
All of a sudden BAM Seth's spinning flying through the first turn! XD
Especially funny, considering I've got about 30 minutes worth of footage to send to you, that you can sort through.
What's your preferred file storage site?
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None. I have no clue what to do with it. All my videos are shot with my phone...
ITCC_Andrew
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So, should I just upload all 30+ minutes?
If that's the case, I'm only using the GT5series channel.
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So, should I just upload all 30+ minutes?
If that's the case, I'm only using the GT5series channel.
Sounds good.
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I'm looking forward to seeing your footage. I only saw you once I think during the race.
ITCC_Andrew
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My shoulder cramps after long races (longer than 20 minutes.)
I had a nice gaming rig, but, my parents threw it out upon getting the G27. I'll never understand why, but it was the worst idea ever.
So, I simply couldn't continue on.
Anyways, whoever that gaz guy is, I apologize, you didn't know that I was on your inside, on the first lap, and you turned in on me, and then you spun. So, I'm sorry for being in your way...
freshseth83
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I gave the explanation in the spot race thread. My son grabbed my attention and I missed the brake zone, so i e-braked to spin it around.
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