The Rolex Sports Car Series, Season 3! Finished! Thanks Everyone!

I'm against Sports Tyres in a series that is replicating a RL Racing series. Its not true to form in my eyes. Sure, If GT5 could allow cars to be created in a true-to-form way such as change engine displacement, add downforce/race mod stuff to all production/sports/super cars (not just 15% of them), then this issue of using sports tyres to realism-it-up wouldn't exist, but it's still a racing series where they use Racing Slicks. Also, the top 3 names of each class can probably adjust fine, but I can't say the same for the others or any fresh faces. Especially if you add no ABS to the mix.

I'm against Rome, there's a kink that can cripple the bejeebies out of any cars going two-wide, which is real bad considering this is a multi-class series with one hell of a speed difference between the classes. There's 4 corners at the start where the course allows a lot of room, but the rest is a dicey 2-wide at best. Nice course for a slow Single class series, but not here in my opinion. The vision of being head-longed into a wall by a DP guy in Pre-S2 at the downhill kink burns in my memory.

Monaco is comfortably 2-wide the whole way through, and technical rather than speed-oriented. The only place that needs care is Nouvelle Chicane, but that is a slow speed corner before a high speed section, so DP had the power, speed, draft and DF levels to arrive with the GT car, outbreak it on the inside and accelerate away without much of an issue. There's even a run-off area that can be used to avoid any drivers making a mistake.

My options would be Trail Mountain and Monaco for the Two remaining spots. Monza would have gotten a mention if not for the "curse", chaos and corner cutting extravaganza that ensued there before.
 
What the hell is with the sudden SS option? Don't forgot the DS3 limitations. I don't get the forceback those with nice wheels get. ABS fine. Sports Soft fine. Both however starts getting too demanding. People are going to start thinking "Well, next season (5) they'll be on comforts."

Also, how long do SS last compared to RM? Longer. Will we even need to pit? DP maybe on Fuel.

Finally, look how much the trailing guys have been struggling. Sorry sail, but -40bhp and me and Storm were matching your times at GV. Both me and Lout would have overtaken tex had it not been for the glorious PIT maneuver when tex came back from going wide at Spa. These problems will only get elevated if we go onto SS tyres & ABS.

Personally, I don't mind the idea of ABS; yet I still feel it may cause a hindrance to newcomers and the lower field again. I have also heard that it makes the tyre wear stupidly good as well.

Now then. I would like to ask which retards think Rome is a good idea? I don't care what you say, Rome is a retarded choice. Let's look at the differences between Monaco & Rome (where I'm using Rome reverse to reduce the downhill kink danger):

(1) Lap Times In a quick half-assed 5 lap stint: Rome 71 secs & Monaco 97 secs. Generically a 25-30 second difference. This means less laps, and more ground for DP to make up on GT. Thus DP will be lapping GT much less often in Monaco than in Rome. Hence, removing one of the key causes for incidents.

(2) Width of the track Granted, Rome has the Colosseum section 4 wide; yet that immediately immediately narrows into 3 going towards the straight, 1 of which goes into the pit! Most of it is barely 2 wide, keyword BARELY! The kink is 1 wide, with the straight afterwards barely opening up to 2 wide.

On the other hand practically all of Monaco is at least 2 and a half wide, the exception being the chicane and the last corner. The reason it's hard to overtake is because it's not got a lot of straights to make slingshots on.

As far as GT allowing DP through, most places in Monaco is a feasible option. For Rome, at least a quarter of the lap is lost for this. The Colosseum may seem nice into and during the turn, but after the turn is done it slowly bottlenecks away; and from a clean 3-4 wide, it becomes a tough 2 wide. This isn't the only location where the variation in track width is luring you into it's domain, only to feast on the smoldering ashes of whatever collision ensues.

(3) Enjoyment Monaco has a near on consistent width, which feels smooth; like a race course. It is highly technical and challenging. A clean lap around Monaco has meaning and passion in it. Not to mention the F1 nostalgia.

Rome is a few straights and a couple of turns, technically boring. The continuously varying track width is frustratingly annoying. You want a course that has a few straights and a couple of turns, bring back Monza. Monza at least felt smooth, and maybe now corner cutting will be greatly reduced after recent events. Heck there's even the possibility of rain.

We can't even look at the scenery that much on Rome. There's just the Colosseum pretty much, which is hard to admire whilst cornering. Monaco is lush all around the lap. Even the Rome sky seems gloomy in Rome compared to Monaco.

Where is there one advantage of using Rome over Monaco?
 
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To put my previous post more simply and eloquently.

The last Rome run was a caution fest for a reason. It won't work for 2 classes as it's too narrow for one class at points, let alone 2 classes. The American Le-Mans series has proven Monaco is possible with 2 classes.
 
anirishnirvana
What the hell is with the sudden SS option? Don't forgot the DS3 limitations. I don't get the forceback those with nice wheels get. ABS fine. Sports Soft fine. Both however starts getting too demanding. People are going to start thinking "Well, next season (5) they'll be on comforts."

Also, how long do SS last compared to RM? Longer. Will we even need to pit? DP maybe on Fuel.

Finally, look how much the trailing guys have been struggling. Sorry sail, but -40bhp and me and Storm were matching your times at GV. Both me and Lout would have overtaken tex had it not been for the glorious PIT maneuver when tex came back from going wide at Spa. These problems will only get elevated if we go onto SS tyres & ABS.

Personally, I don't mind the idea of ABS; yet I still feel it may cause a hindrance to newcomers and the lower field again. I have also heard that it makes the tyre wear stupidly good as well.

Now then. I would like to ask which retards think Rome is a good idea? I don't care what you say, Rome is a retarded choice. Let's look at the differences between Monaco & Rome (where I'm using Rome reverse to reduce the downhill kink danger):

(1) Lap Times In a quick half-assed 5 lap stint: Rome 71 secs & Monaco 97 secs. Generically a 25-30 second difference. This means less laps, and more ground for DP to make up on GT. Thus DP will be lapping GT much less often in Monaco than in Rome. Hence, removing one of the key causes for incidents.

(2) Width of the track Granted, Rome has the Colosseum section 4 wide; yet that immediately immediately narrows into 3 going towards the straight, 1 of which goes into the pit! Most of it is barely 2 wide, keyword BARELY! The kink is 1 wide, with the straight afterwards barely opening up to 2 wide.

On the other hand practically all of Monaco is at least 2 and a half wide, the exception being the chicane and the last corner. The reason it's hard to overtake is because it's not got a lot of straights to make slingshots on.

As far as GT allowing DP through, most places in Monaco is a feasible option. For Rome, at least a quarter of the lap is lost for this. The Colosseum may seem nice into and during the turn, but after the turn is done it slowly bottlenecks away; and from a clean 3-4 wide, it becomes a tough 2 wide. This isn't the only location where the variation in track width is luring you into it's domain, only to feast on the smoldering ashes of whatever collision ensues.

(3) Enjoyment Monaco has a near on consistent width, which feels smooth; like a race course. It is highly technical and challenging. A clean lap around Monaco has meaning and passion in it. Not to mention the F1 nostalgia.

Rome is a few straights and a couple of turns, technically boring. The continuously varying track width is frustratingly annoying. You want a course that has a few straights and a couple of turns, bring back Monza. Monza at least felt smooth, and maybe now corner cutting will be greatly reduced after recent events. Heck there's even the possibility of rain.

We can't even look at the scenery that much on Rome. There's just the Colosseum pretty much, which is hard to admire whilst cornering. Monaco is lush all around the lap. Even the Rome sky seems gloomy in Rome compared to Monaco.

Where is there one advantage of using Rome over Monaco?
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+ 10 about MONACO vs MADRID. I think ABS has to be allowed. About the tires (ss), maybe one pit stop would be mandatory to resolve less tire wear and make one pit stop at least, but, Good point about the joystick users!!!
 
Personally I don't like the idea of sports tyres. If there's too much grip available change to Racing hard tyres but no lower than that.
 
unrealanthony
+ 10 about MONACO vs MADRID. I think ABS has to be allowed. About the tires (ss), maybe one pit stop would be mandatory to resolve less tire wear and make one pit stop at least, but, Good point about the joystick users!!!
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Ant I know you and I would enjoy sports soft and no abs, but I'm willing to stick where we are for the sake of the controller users. It doesn't matter if we go to Rome or Monaco to me. I think both will be a challenge of patience. Make sure this race is LATE in the schedule. I don't want to run everyone off on week 2 lol.
 
My 2 cents. RH tires with abs off. Use RS for qualifying. Only real world tracks for series. Any track with the word "Cape" I avoid.

Polar, same day and time for the new sreies?

Thanks
 
Well, here's the thread busyness Shin was missing.

I may have been a BIT rash as I was trying to divulge everything (new tyres, ABS, Rome vs Monaco & an irl DB Dave event which completely infuriates me, Storm & another of our mates) in a quick period. Either way, my sincerest apologies for going overboard with some of the comments.

However, I still reckon by the "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" theory that Monaco would work better, as DP have more ground to catch up on GT. It may prove that with some cases, the technicality means that more people get a corner wrong etc etc. It does help that I did the seasonal with my glorious Mazda Kusabi on the track and it felt nice. Maybe Rome's just better for slower cars. All in all, if we were to try both in preseason would be a better measure.

As for the ABS and tyres; we're changing the fields pretty drastically, I don't want extra changes that further alienate people, or increase the difference between front and rear runners. Simply put, we change the formula too much and the series may lose it's flavour.
 
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@graz- Same time and day, just new cars and such :)

I think we only have two made up tracks (SSR5 and Tokyo) Which I believe exist in real life, they just aren't used for racing.

We're adding Monaco, I have all the pictures. We will have a 10 race schedule:

1. Daytona

2. Fuji

3. Nurb GP/D

4. Tokyo

5. Indy

6. SSR5

7. Spa

8. Suzuka

9. Monaco

10. Laguna Seca
 
DP-

1. Polar
2. Cnd
3. unrealanthony
4. guto
5.
6.
7.
8.

I'm for RM or RH. I don't like Monaco, but it's ok if it's really in.

(By the way, just passing by. It will take a week or two before I'm home.)
 
grazbro
Sweet list. New link out yet for the new season?
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Going to work on it now and after the 1:30 Star Mazda race;)
I Am Yellow
DP-

1. Polar
2. Cnd
3. unrealanthony
4. guto
5.
6.
7.
8.

I'm for RM or RH. I don't like Monaco, but it's ok if it's really in.

(By the way, just passing by. It will take a week or two before I'm home.)
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Hey guys! Guto's back!

S4 Thread up today along with spot race. S4 may be tomorrow though.
 
If you guys are doing the NAEC again, I woudn't mind joining DP for that.
 
I'll be in GT, opting for the Aston Martin.

Wow....

Season 1: Dodge Viper
Season 2: Dodge Viper ACR
Season 3: Mazda RX-8
Season 4: Aston Martin (Most likely)

Notice a pattern? :)
 
CJ tha KIDD
Well that takes skills... I'll take the 458 Italia
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Awesome! Hope to see you there! add me on psn- polarbear345
EliteDreamer
Any room for me? And at what time could this be since you're saying it could be earlier?
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You bet there's room! No earlier than 6 eastern.
Tez_SP17
I'll be in GT, opting for the Aston Martin.

Wow....

Season 1: Dodge Viper
Season 2: Dodge Viper ACR
Season 3: Mazda RX-8
Season 4: Aston Martin (Most likely)

Notice a pattern? :)
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Yeaaaa, I'll put you down :)

DP-

1. Polar
2. Cnd
3. unrealanthony
4. guto
5. R0ss
6.
7.
8.

GT-

1. Graz
2. storm
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
 
I made up my mind.

DP-

1. Polar
2. Cnd
3. unrealanthony
4. guto
5. R0ss
6.
7.
8.

GT-

1. Graz
2. storm
3. M0NSTER
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
 
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