The Toyota Prius Apreciation Thread

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My hatred for the Prius, aside from owners being mostly snobby "save-the-planet" types, is based on the non-tuneable transmission. The same as other hybrids in this game; I don't hate the Tesla but I severely dislike that the single gear restricts its overall performance. I see no reason why even a basic 4 speed couldn't be swapped in either cars.
 
I can't help but to be with two sides of the Prius conflict :sly:


Although what i hate the most are several owners of a Prius who brags everything about a fuel-efficient hybrid car and comparing it to a supercar.
 
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My track-day Prius
 
Master__Shake_
My hatred for the Prius, aside from owners being mostly snobby "save-the-planet" types, is based on the non-tuneable transmission. The same as other hybrids in this game; I don't hate the Tesla but I severely dislike that the single gear restricts its overall performance. I see no reason why even a basic 4 speed couldn't be swapped in either cars.
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I don't think you understand. The magic hybrid parts, are part of the gearbox. The way the hybrid system works in the prius would not be compatible with any other type of transmission. It has to have a (rubbish) cvt gearbox.
 
fghwe3
I don't think you understand. The magic hybrid parts, are part of the gearbox. The way the hybrid system works in the prius would not be compatible with any other type of transmission. It has to have a (rubbish) cvt gearbox.
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I can see why that being true for the street model, but even the touring car? The racing "masters" at Toyota couldn't rig a better powertrain and gearbox into it? It's highly disappointing.
 
Master__Shake_
I can see why that being true for the street model, but even the touring car? The racing "masters" at Toyota couldn't rig a better powertrain and gearbox into it? It's highly disappointing.
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You have to remember this is a "tuned by gran turismo" car (i.e. fictional). They cant really run away with there ideas too much. If in the touring car version they were to ditch the (rubbish) cvt box and replace with another kind on transmission (4/5/6/7 speed), then all the hybrid witch craft would be lost, and would result in a modified prius shell with a rubbish 1.5 or 1.8 engine (cant remember if the touring car is based on the 2nd or 3rd generation) and without the hybrid system. It would lose the thing that makes it special. It would be like an Avensis touring car.
 
I have a 2011 Toyota Aqua (Toyota Prius C in America) and a 2009 Toyota Prius on GT6, and I admit it's quite a fun little hybrids to drive. Here are both of them. Yes the CVT is a bit buzzy and cannot be tuned, however the Prii's CVTs are pretty impressive once you get find out the fact they can be pushed further while in a slipstream (CVTs have almost endless gears).
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I plan to get the Prius Touring Car to complete the 3rd-gen Prius Family in GT. Maybe they should add the Japan-Spec Toyota Prius α (Greek letter Alpha, also known as Prius V in America) to complete the official Gen-3 Prius line (might toss that in the suggestions section).
 
Oh god no! Please no more Prius cars in GT...... I beg you!

I hate them with a passion. My partner loves them. The Aqua is alright looking and does 275km/h at SSRX going down the hill with no slipstreaming, when fully modified. Also its not called a Prius (in game at least) so that's another good thing going for it.

Also the gearboxes are just terrible. I have a CVT transmission with tiptronc (lazy mans manual) in my road car. Using it in auto it behaves VERY differently compared to the CVT transmissions in GT. Could also be because it is a Nissan too. Haha.
 
fghwe3
You have to remember this is a "tuned by gran turismo" car (i.e. fictional). They cant really run away with there ideas too much. If in the touring car version they were to ditch the (rubbish) cvt box and replace with another kind on transmission (4/5/6/7 speed), then all the hybrid witch craft would be lost, and would result in a modified prius shell with a rubbish 1.5 or 1.8 engine (cant remember if the touring car is based on the 2nd or 3rd generation) and without the hybrid system. It would lose the thing that makes it special. It would be like an Avensis touring car.
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Surely they could at least give us the option to use simulated CVT gears like some cars do.
 
lGNAl
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/13/b...rids-this-time-over-software-glitch.html?_r=0 - Toyota Recalls Newest Priuses Over Software -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...lion-priuses-to-update-software-correct-.html
- Toyota to Recall 1.9 Million Priuses to Update Software -

So NYTimes and bloomberg t.v don't know how to spell ?
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Well, to my knowledge, Toyota actually created a poll on their website where users could vote on the actual correct plural form of "Prius" and "Prii" was declared the winner.
 
Did some test tranny swapping some Prii

I looked at the Vits F '12 it has a CVT stock but also an adjustable 5 SPD option.

I took the ADJ 5spd from the Vits and installed it on the Aqua S '11

The battery meter in the fuel gauge is gone. Its no longer a Hybrid. I've swapped gearboxes on the 2020 Nissan VGT, it kept its full hybrid system unaffected. The Prius system is directly inplace to assist engine speed for the CVT.

After testing the system, the Prius hybrid system rarely kicks in but seems like its an engine assist as the CVT is varying the gear. If you let off the throttle the rpms fall at a faster rate than the speed because the tranny is reducing its gearing. If you then hit the throttle, the electric motor kicks in to help the engine get back up to speed. Very slightly, and not often is power taken from the electric motor. Its a marvel for fuel economy, cruising speed the engine rpm can fall while the CVT keeps speed, when power is called on the electric motor helps the engine get up to speed. If cruising very very very slow with 25% throttle, you can get the engine to shut off and keep on the electric motor. However none of this is helpful racing, just great on gas.

With a 5spd the engine assist as the Prius system works is completely irrelevant. Useless, it would have to be changed to supply power in a different way.
 
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TorqueWrench
Did some test tranny swapping some Prii

I looked at the Vits F '12 it has a CVT stock but also an adjustable 5 SPD option.

I took the ADJ 5spd from the Vits and installed it on the Aqua S '11

The battery meter in the fuel gauge is gone. Its no longer a Hybrid. I've swapped gearboxes on the 2020 Nissan VGT, it kept its full hybrid system unaffected. The Prius system is directly inplace to assist engine speed for the CVT.

After testing the system, the Prius hybrid system rarely kicks in but seems like its an engine assist as the CVT is varying the gear. If you let off the throttle the rpms fall at a faster rate than the speed because the tranny is reducing its gearing. If you then hit the throttle, the electric motor kicks in to help the engine get back up to speed. Very slightly, and not often is power taken from the electric motor. Its a marvel for fuel economy, cruising speed the engine rpm can fall while the CVT keeps speed, when power is called on the electric motor helps the engine get up to speed. If cruising very very very slow with 25% throttle, you can get the engine to shut off and keep on the electric motor. However none of this is helpful racing, just great on gas.

With a 5spd the engine assist as the Prius system works is completely irrelevant. Useless, it would have to be changed to supply power in a different way.
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The hybrid system of the toyota's are integral to the gearbox. You can not have one without the other. So on the Aqua S '11 swapping the gearbox for a manual, will mean a loss of the hybrid system.

Each Manufacturer has different ways in which there hybrid system works. (read below for toyota and honda systems.)

fghwe3
WOW... my time to shine. IRL there are many ways to make a hybrid, which is why each manufacturer has its own name for it. The Toyota has Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) and Honda has Integrated Motor Assist (IMA). There are more, but dont want to go too OT.
The HSD works by having a large motor and generator built into a CVT gearbox. The engine is unaffected by hybrid system. As the motor is built into the transmission it has the ability to power the wheels without engine power which is why you can drive a prius up to 30 mph (IIRC) in electric mode IRL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Synergy_Drive#mediaviewer/File:Toyota_1NZ-FXE_Engine_01.JPG

The IMA system works using a magnetic flywheel which boosts the power from the engine. In normal driving it would mean that less demand is put on the engine as the flywheel picks up the slack. As it is there only to boost the engine power IRL you can not drive it in electric mode only. The engine and gearbox are unaffected in this setup, so any engine and gearbox could be fitted. Which is why i am guessing is which you can put a custom tranny on a Honda but not the Prius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Motor_Assist#mediaviewer/File:Honda_Insight_IMA.jpg

tl;dr Toyota has hybrid built into gearbox, Honda has it in flywheel, which is why you can change trannys on Honda but not Prius
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The Nissan has by the sound of it, has motors built into the wheel hubs on the front "The torque vectoring of the individual front motors on the left and right..." (http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gt6/vgt/) and the engine drives the rear wheels in a conventional manor. It does also say on that website that "[Nissan VGT has a]high performance hybrid FR-4WD system with a V6 twin turbo engine, combined with 3 motors." I assume from this that there is a third motor probably built in the flywheel like the Honda IMA system, which would also explain the KERS esque boost that is available.

One thing that has just occured to me, In theory unless your driving slowly in GT6, the hybrid system should not kick in and would probably be a hinderence racing due to the additional weight.

Also just found this http://blog.toyota.co.uk/how-does-toyota-hybrid-synergy-drive-work#.VAzWIGP1q-0 for anyone intrested in further reading.
 
fghwe3
The hybrid system of the toyota's are integral to the gearbox. You can not have one without the other. So on the Aqua S '11 swapping the gearbox for a manual, will mean a loss of the hybrid system.

Each Manufacturer has different ways in which there hybrid system works. (read below for toyota and honda systems.)



The Nissan has by the sound of it, has motors built into the wheel hubs on the front "The torque vectoring of the individual front motors on the left and right..." (http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gt6/vgt/) and the engine drives the rear wheels in a conventional manor. It does also say on that website that "[Nissan VGT has a]high performance hybrid FR-4WD system with a V6 twin turbo engine, combined with 3 motors." I assume from this that there is a third motor probably built in the flywheel like the Honda IMA system, which would also explain the KERS esque boost that is available.

One thing that has just occured to me, In theory unless your driving slowly in GT6, the hybrid system should not kick in and would probably be a hinderence racing due to the additional weight.

Also just found this http://blog.toyota.co.uk/how-does-toyota-hybrid-synergy-drive-work#.VAzWIGP1q-0 for anyone intrested in further reading.
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The system is definitely working as it should, very well recreated. Its useless IMO as far as racing, but a marvel of technology as far as reduced gas consumption.


I have never had interest in these electric cars until 2014 F1 TERS. F1 ERS has pegged my curiosity in playing with & testing the various systems in the game starting with the 2020 VGT for obvious reasons. Most other hybrid systems I can't say much about, I've tested some and have a good idea how they work, but I've done extensive testing on the 2020 VGT and can confirm it is a ERS system combining KERS & TERS. It a cross breed between something like the New NSX system and F1 ERS. As with the NSX the system used 3 motors. 2 front are torque vectoring, the 3rd is built into the drive line. Then on top of this the 2020 VGT has TERS turbos. The 2020 VGT also has a dual boost system where power is returned on acceleration and additional boost on demand through the boost button, the boost button will also spool up the turbos to reduce lag.
 
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CallmeDan
Well, to my knowledge, Toyota actually created a poll on their website where users could vote on the actual correct plural form of "Prius" and "Prii" was declared the winner.
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Well Dan, Your right.
To those still wondering why more than 1 Prius is called Prii, here's the full story (in short) on how the Plural name "Prii" was made.

On January 10th 2011, Toyota Motor Sales USA (Toyota's North American branch) gave the people a chance to vote online for what the official Plural word of their Prius would be, as their way to promote the newly extended Prius line. The options given included: Prius, Priuses, Prium, Prien, or Prii.
Then on Feburary 18th, 2011, the nearly 2 million votes were tallied and Toyota announced on their Youtube Channel "Toyota USA" (and also at the 2011 Chicago Auto Show) that the official plural name for Prius will be now known as "Prii". Toyota Global (Toyota's international website) confirmed this to the world 2 days later via emails to Toyota E-newsletter subscribers, making it the official Plural name for the Toyota Prius line.

Even the owner of "Dictionary.com" made it's official plural name known on the online dictionary website.
Here's the definition of Prius and it's plural word, Prii, as pulled straight out of Dictionary.com (Note: the site doesn't put Toyota in the definition, except in their related quote):

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NT_03
^ True.. And in GT, you could actually do whatever you want to your car.
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Except customise the car's livery, put on a very specific non-standard rear wing on a Peugeot 206, give racing numbers to most standards, blow it up with explosives if you hate it, swap the engine between a street car and a Le Mans racer, ETC.
 
CSMDuty11
Except customise the car's livery, put on a very specific non-standard rear wing on a Peugeot 206, give racing numbers to most standards, blow it up with explosives if you hate it, swap the engine between a street car and a Le Mans racer, ETC.
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A TS020 powered Prius...
 

CSMDuty11
Except customise the car's livery, put on a very specific non-standard rear wing on a Peugeot 206, give racing numbers to most standards, blow it up with explosives if you hate it, swap the engine between a street car and a Le Mans racer, ETC.
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Aside from all of that..
 

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