The Trump Impeachment Thread

[Liquid]

But the White House says that there isn't a shred of evidence so I don't know whom to believe.

 

[PocketZeven]

But the White House says that there isn't a shred of evidence so I don't know whom to believe.

Depends who in the whitehouse are you listening to.

Mulvany on quid pro quo: “We do – we do that all the time with foreign policy.” followed by "get over it"
Trump: "No quid pro quo, no quid pro quo"

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Pence on Impeachment.
He thinks it might not happen, and I kind of agree with him.

 

[Rallywagon]

Pence on Impeachment.
He thinks it might not happen, and I kind of agree with him.

Which is kinda sad isnt it? Here we have a president who admitted to doing impeachable offenses amd yet a not small portion of Congress and the American people are going to protect him.
I already believe that if he does kill someone on the middle of the street that same lot will both sing his praises and victim shame the murdered. It wouldn't surprise me one bit that Teump would drop the whole pretense of democracy and a republic and supplant himself as the supreme ruler of America and this same lot would bow, scrape and grovel at his feet, continuing to lick his boots.
It's quite shameful and an embarrassment to this country that this guy can abuse the powers of the highest seat in this country and be praised and loved for it.

 

[Groundfish]

Well, what’s scary for a crook? Being under investigation is scary for a crook, because they know they broke laws and those facts may get uncovered.
I think this is why since 2016 all the left has done is investigate. Being crooks themselves, they figure if they just keep digging deeply enough they will find something of note. They have yet to find anything much, but, since they all live in fear of being found out themselves, they went with the best defense is a good offense strategy.
Do you know how to catch a herd of wild pigs?
First you put out corn in the forest. The pigs will come to eat the corn. After a while you put up one side of a fence and place the corn near it. At first the pigs will be a bit nervous, but soon they will come to eat the corn you provided as normal. Soon. You put a second and third wall of the fence up. The pigs become accustomed to that. The last wall, you put a gate that they can push open to enter and get the corn. This will put them off a bit but they will figure it out and soon they will freely choose to enter the fenced in area to get the corn. So one day you add a way to bar the gate shut, then you add lots of corn and wait for the herd to go inside and BOOM you lock the gate.
You just caught a herd of pigs. That’s the direction the country is going.
Too much corruption and the propaganda is out of control. Anymore it seems if you make it to Congress your job is to be an investigator?
I mean if you look at what currently passes for news it’s embarassingly openly partisan propaganda on all sides.
So overall regarding impeachment, my take is a person would be quite naive to take any of this seriously.
There’s just so much corruption and propaganda it’s very sad to me. It’s sad to me to watch how the propaganda has swayed and skewed peoples belief systems in the USA over the last fifteen to twenty years.
It’s surprising to me that after the failed Mueller effort to oust Trump that these people have the gall to continue the same behavior.
It’s shocking and offensive to me how far they will push this stuff, because they honestly believe that’s how dumb the citizens are?
Trump is not the worst thing that could have happened.
It’s almost like the Democrat focus was so strong to oust Trump that now they look around and realize holy crap we don’t have even one competent candidate for the next election. We better go for this Impeachment thing.
I am not partisan one way or the other really, and I really don’t watch much news or have a good idea about where all of this is.
I don’t have tv. I do kinda feel though in some weird way that Trump at least has some shred of honesty about him. I can’t say the same about other politicians I have seen.
The fact that this whole situation is what it is with all the bs is to me indication that it’s very difficult to have an efficient govt when the layers of bureaucracy get so deep as they are now.
I recently worked closely for six months with an immigrant from Afghanistan. His work there was as a translator for US military to communicate with leadership there. Man, discussing stuff with him was fascinating! He literally had to carry an AK, was close to firefights, was translating for a guy that got capped. I asked him about what he saw over there with the local govt, or pretty much rich I guess you could say. So funny to hear him talk of his brother who was lucky enough to have a friend in power who gave him a cushy job and he was well off, but then the guy who gave him the job was ousted politically, and now his brother is struggling.
He was telling me about the corruption there and these locals would get US aid money and take much of it and go build extravagant homes for them and their close friend. He said basically when one person got into a position with some authority then they hookup all their friends as much as they could. It wasn’t bs you should have seen the pictures on his phone.
Great guy, down to earth lotta common sense.
It strikes me that that’s just what bureaucracy and govt is mostly. It’s not much different anywhere throughout history I don’t think.
Like in Scarface. “You get the power you get the money etc”.
That’s why I tend to disconnect from all the daily drama and talking heads and social media. Social media would have been a dream for the Nazis.
Imo, if you’re caught up in the daily drama, you are subject to all that influence, and is it bettering your own life?
Sorry for the long post, just wanted to offer some fourth cup o coffee thoughts on the opinion part of the site.

 

[Rallywagon]

Well, what’s scary for a crook? Being under investigation is scary for a crook, because they know they broke laws and those facts may get uncovered.
I think this is why since 2016 all the left has done is investigate. Being crooks themselves, they figure if they just keep digging deeply enough they will find something of note. They have yet to find anything much, but, since they all live in fear of being found out themselves, they went with the best defense is a good offense strategy.
Do you know how to catch a herd of wild pigs?
First you put out corn in the forest. The pigs will come to eat the corn. After a while you put up one side of a fence and place the corn near it. At first the pigs will be a bit nervous, but soon they will come to eat the corn you provided as normal. Soon. You put a second and third wall of the fence up. The pigs become accustomed to that. The last wall, you put a gate that they can push open to enter and get the corn. This will put them off a bit but they will figure it out and soon they will freely choose to enter the fenced in area to get the corn. So one day you add a way to bar the gate shut, then you add lots of corn and wait for the herd to go inside and BOOM you lock the gate.
You just caught a herd of pigs. That’s the direction the country is going.
Too much corruption and the propaganda is out of control. Anymore it seems if you make it to Congress your job is to be an investigator?
I mean if you look at what currently passes for news it’s embarassingly openly partisan propaganda on all sides.
So overall regarding impeachment, my take is a person would be quite naive to take any of this seriously.
There’s just so much corruption and propaganda it’s very sad to me. It’s sad to me to watch how the propaganda has swayed and skewed peoples belief systems in the USA over the last fifteen to twenty years.
It’s surprising to me that after the failed Mueller effort to oust Trump that these people have the gall to continue the same behavior.
It’s shocking and offensive to me how far they will push this stuff, because they honestly believe that’s how dumb the citizens are?
Trump is not the worst thing that could have happened.
It’s almost like the Democrat focus was so strong to oust Trump that now they look around and realize holy crap we don’t have even one competent candidate for the next election. We better go for this Impeachment thing.
I am not partisan one way or the other really, and I really don’t watch much news or have a good idea about where all of this is.
I don’t have tv. I do kinda feel though in some weird way that Trump at least has some shred of honesty about him. I can’t say the same about other politicians I have seen.
The fact that this whole situation is what it is with all the bs is to me indication that it’s very difficult to have an efficient govt when the layers of bureaucracy get so deep as they are now.
I recently worked closely for six months with an immigrant from Afghanistan. His work there was as a translator for US military to communicate with leadership there. Man, discussing stuff with him was fascinating! He literally had to carry an AK, was close to firefights, was translating for a guy that got capped. I asked him about what he saw over there with the local govt, or pretty much rich I guess you could say. So funny to hear him talk of his brother who was lucky enough to have a friend in power who gave him a cushy job and he was well off, but then the guy who gave him the job was ousted politically, and now his brother is struggling.
He was telling me about the corruption there and these locals would get US aid money and take much of it and go build extravagant homes for them and their close friend. He said basically when one person got into a position with some authority then they hookup all their friends as much as they could. It wasn’t bs you should have seen the pictures on his phone.
Great guy, down to earth lotta common sense.
It strikes me that that’s just what bureaucracy and govt is mostly. It’s not much different anywhere throughout history I don’t think.
Like in Scarface. “You get the power you get the money etc”.
That’s why I tend to disconnect from all the daily drama and talking heads and social media. Social media would have been a dream for the Nazis.
Imo, if you’re caught up in the daily drama, you are subject to all that influence, and is it bettering your own life?
Sorry for the long post, just wanted to offer some fourth cup o coffee thoughts on the opinion part of the site.

Well, one thing is for sure. Putting you head in the sand sure isnt going to make life better. Ignoring corruption anywhere it takes place because that's the way it is isnt going to make life better. Allowing the governement to continue on it's current trajectory unchecked is most assuredly going to lead to a worse life. As the saying goes, or something there abouts; "all evil needs is for good people to not pay attention." Ignore a crumbling foundation and eventually the house falls down.

 

[Groundfish]

Well, one thing is for sure. Putting you head in the sand sure isnt going to make life better. Ignoring corruption anywhere it takes place because that's the way it is isnt going to make life better. Allowing the governement to continue on it's current trajectory unchecked is most assuredly going to lead to a worse life. As the saying goes, or something there abouts; "all evil needs is for good people to not pay attention." Ignore a crumbling foundation and eventually the house falls down.

Yep, at some point one recognizes ones place in society and recognizes what they can do, and they do that. And that’s that pretty much

 

[Biggles]

Well, what’s scary for a crook? Being under investigation is scary for a crook, because they know they broke laws and those facts may get uncovered.
I think this is why since 2016 all the left has done is investigate. Being crooks themselves, they figure if they just keep digging deeply enough they will find something of note. They have yet to find anything much, but, since they all live in fear of being found out themselves, they went with the best defense is a good offense strategy.
Do you know how to catch a herd of wild pigs?
First you put out corn in the forest. The pigs will come to eat the corn. After a while you put up one side of a fence and place the corn near it. At first the pigs will be a bit nervous, but soon they will come to eat the corn you provided as normal. Soon. You put a second and third wall of the fence up. The pigs become accustomed to that. The last wall, you put a gate that they can push open to enter and get the corn. This will put them off a bit but they will figure it out and soon they will freely choose to enter the fenced in area to get the corn. So one day you add a way to bar the gate shut, then you add lots of corn and wait for the herd to go inside and BOOM you lock the gate.
You just caught a herd of pigs. That’s the direction the country is going.
Too much corruption and the propaganda is out of control. Anymore it seems if you make it to Congress your job is to be an investigator?
I mean if you look at what currently passes for news it’s embarassingly openly partisan propaganda on all sides.
So overall regarding impeachment, my take is a person would be quite naive to take any of this seriously.
There’s just so much corruption and propaganda it’s very sad to me. It’s sad to me to watch how the propaganda has swayed and skewed peoples belief systems in the USA over the last fifteen to twenty years.
It’s surprising to me that after the failed Mueller effort to oust Trump that these people have the gall to continue the same behavior.
It’s shocking and offensive to me how far they will push this stuff, because they honestly believe that’s how dumb the citizens are?
Trump is not the worst thing that could have happened.
It’s almost like the Democrat focus was so strong to oust Trump that now they look around and realize holy crap we don’t have even one competent candidate for the next election. We better go for this Impeachment thing.
I am not partisan one way or the other really, and I really don’t watch much news or have a good idea about where all of this is.
I don’t have tv. I do kinda feel though in some weird way that Trump at least has some shred of honesty about him. I can’t say the same about other politicians I have seen.
The fact that this whole situation is what it is with all the bs is to me indication that it’s very difficult to have an efficient govt when the layers of bureaucracy get so deep as they are now.
I recently worked closely for six months with an immigrant from Afghanistan. His work there was as a translator for US military to communicate with leadership there. Man, discussing stuff with him was fascinating! He literally had to carry an AK, was close to firefights, was translating for a guy that got capped. I asked him about what he saw over there with the local govt, or pretty much rich I guess you could say. So funny to hear him talk of his brother who was lucky enough to have a friend in power who gave him a cushy job and he was well off, but then the guy who gave him the job was ousted politically, and now his brother is struggling.
He was telling me about the corruption there and these locals would get US aid money and take much of it and go build extravagant homes for them and their close friend. He said basically when one person got into a position with some authority then they hookup all their friends as much as they could. It wasn’t bs you should have seen the pictures on his phone.
Great guy, down to earth lotta common sense.
It strikes me that that’s just what bureaucracy and govt is mostly. It’s not much different anywhere throughout history I don’t think.
Like in Scarface. “You get the power you get the money etc”.
That’s why I tend to disconnect from all the daily drama and talking heads and social media. Social media would have been a dream for the Nazis.
Imo, if you’re caught up in the daily drama, you are subject to all that influence, and is it bettering your own life?
Sorry for the long post, just wanted to offer some fourth cup o coffee thoughts on the opinion part of the site.

You couldn't be more wrong. There is a big difference between what happens in Afghanistan & what happens in the US. Politicians are not perfect - obviously. But to dismiss everything that happens as basically morally & ethically equivalent? That's the end of the line - once you accept that then you may as well give up on a democratic society.

 

[PocketZeven]

Which is kinda sad isnt it? Here we have a president who admitted to doing impeachable offenses amd yet a not small portion of Congress and the American people are going to protect him.
I already believe that if he does kill someone on the middle of the street that same lot will both sing his praises and victim shame the murdered. It wouldn't surprise me one bit that Teump would drop the whole pretense of democracy and a republic and supplant himself as the supreme ruler of America and this same lot would bow, scrape and grovel at his feet, continuing to lick his boots.
It's quite shameful and an embarrassment to this country that this guy can abuse the powers of the highest seat in this country and be praised and loved for it.

The messge to the rest of the world is that the President of the USA is above the law. Which is a one-way road to a authotarian regime. Which many Trumpsupporters should realise.

 

[Groundfish]

You couldn't be more wrong. There is a big difference between what happens in Afghanistan & what happens in the US. Politicians are not perfect - obviously. But to dismiss everything that happens as basically morally & ethically equivalent? That's the end of the line - once you accept that then you may as well give up on a democratic s

Hardly, I value freedom, I just realize that there is going to be a power structure inherent in any govt or society. It’s reality.
The way things are now corruption and propaganda is the order of the day, I mean it’s great to be college age and idealistic, but at some point you grow older and maybe wiser than all that theoretical stuff. Jmo

messge to the rest of the world is that the President of the USA is above the law. Which is a one-way road to a authotarian regime. Which many Trumpsupporters should realise.

Propoganda

 

[Rallywagon]

Hardly, I value freedom, I just realize that there is going to be a power structure inherent in any govt or society. It’s reality.
The way things are now corruption and propaganda is the order of the day, I mean it’s great to be college age and idealistic, but at some point you grow older and maybe wiser than all that theoretical stuff. Jmo



Propoganda

In this case I suppose I must have been less "idealistic" as you put it. When I was college aged I didn't give a rat's ass. But add I've grown "older and wiser" I've decided I'd rather not complacently leave a worse world for my children and the future beyond them because I was to scared, lazy or apathetic.

 

[Imari]

I do kinda feel though in some weird way that Trump at least has some shred of honesty about him. I can’t say the same about other politicians I have seen.

The guy who is a pathological liar? Are we even talking about the same Trump?

The only difference with Trump is that he doesn't bother trying to hide when he lies.

Hardly, I value freedom, I just realize that there is going to be a power structure inherent in any govt or society. It’s reality.
The way things are now corruption and propaganda is the order of the day, I mean it’s great to be college age and idealistic, but at some point you grow older and maybe wiser than all that theoretical stuff. Jmo

No, you just get fed up with trying to fight a system that is broken and seems to be getting worse rather than better. And that's understandable, but don't try and paint your completely reasonable apathy to the current state of politics as "growing older and wiser". It's not, it's just that you can only give a 🤬 for so long before you either throw up your hands and walk away or do a Timothy McVeigh. And most people have no desire to blow up an office block, no matter how incompetent or corrupt their government might be.

 

[Biggles]

Hardly, I value freedom, I just realize that there is going to be a power structure inherent in any govt or society. It’s reality.
The way things are now corruption and propaganda is the order of the day, I mean it’s great to be college age and idealistic, but at some point you grow older and maybe wiser than all that theoretical stuff. Jmo
Propoganda

Hardly, I value freedom, I just realize that there is going to be a power structure inherent in any govt or society. It’s reality.

Not sure what this is supposed to mean?

The way things are now corruption and propaganda is the order of the day,

I really don't believe things are more corrupt than in the past - you want to read about how endemic corruption was in the past in the US ... not to mention the appalling corruption in the present in many other countries (like Afghanistan). Propaganda: yeah, perhaps propaganda IS worse, thanks to the internet & social media.

I mean it’s great to be college age and idealistic, but at some point you grow older and maybe wiser than all that theoretical stuff.

Well, it's been 40 years since I was in college. I am possibly older & wiser & I'm still wanting things to improve rather than get worse.

 

[Groundfish]

Yep, at some point one recognizes ones place in society and recognizes what they can do, and they do that. And that’s that pretty much

It’s interesting to read the various interpretations of these words. I won’t go strong and accuse others of creating straw men to attempt to burn down, but I will say that those interpretations are incorrect re my opinion.

Everyone always wants to improve things and people do what they can to better the situation. Other behavior choices are nonsensical really.

 

[UKMikey]

It’s interesting to read the various interpretations of these words. I won’t go strong and accuse others of creating straw men to attempt to burn down, but I will say that those interpretations are incorrect re my opinion.

Except that those aren't the words to which people are replying. They're responding to the college age quote, rather than creating anything.

 

[Imari]

It’s interesting to read the various interpretations of these words. I won’t go strong and accuse others of creating straw men to attempt to burn down, but I will say that those interpretations are incorrect re my opinion.

Except that literally no one has quoted that post except you.

 

[Groundfish]

. Putting you head in the sand

You couldn't be more wrong.

I'd rather not complacently leave a worse world for my children and the future beyond them because I was to scared, lazy or apathetic.

No, you just get fed up with trying to fight a system that is broken

Honestly fellas, not exactly a warm welcome here. Sorry double post.
It’s ok, I am not here to begin raining on the parade with apathy and negative viewpoints or nihilism.
As I said in my first post just wanted to offer some thoughts, and I didn’t expect to get much response, espescially seeing as none of you liked my post.

 

[Imari]

Honestly fellas, not exactly a warm welcome here. Sorry double post.
It’s ok, I am not here to begin raining on the parade with apathy and negative viewpoints or nihilism.
As I said in my first post just wanted to offer some thoughts, and I didn’t expect to get much response, espescially seeing as none of you liked my post.

Sorry, i didn't realise I had to like your post in order to respond to it.

Does this mean you'll be liking my posts that you responded to?

 

[Groundfish]

orry, i didn't realise I had to like your post in order to respond to it.

Does this mean you'll be liking my posts that you responded to?

Are you playing the man so to speak? I am reading these words as nothing but argument without substance, personally. To the topic, the reason we have people wanting to impeach is because of what happened and began a long time ago...

I simply presented some thoughts, I am not required to respond to this illogical negativity, but I will throw out a bone to chew and here it is.

 

[Danoff]

The way things are now corruption and propaganda is the order of the day, I mean it’s great to be college age and idealistic, but at some point you grow older and maybe wiser than all that theoretical stuff. Jmo

You defeat your own argument.

There’s just so much corruption and propaganda it’s very sad to me.

Since you seem to not mind corruption, and think that it's wise to not take anything seriously, just sit back and don't take the impeachment seriously.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Honestly fellas, not exactly a warm welcome here.

Welcome to gtplanet politics.

I liked your first post.

 

[Groundfish]

Welcome to gtplanet politics.

I liked your first post.

Thank you for that. Honestly, for some reason my thoughts touched a nerve or something. It’s just too many coffees. I don’t usually venture into these waters, nor do I intend to continue.
Imo posting one thoughts is one thing, but arguing about those thoughts is pretty pointless given that all the arguments of this type are based on certain premises. Psychologically imo it’s belief vs belief nothing more.
Honestly, that’s what I think.
Once in a while I may share some thoughts, but it’s not my intent to argue them or try to prove them because that is in itself illogical given that they are all based on beliefs.
People do seem to love to argue these things, but I know better.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Honestly fellas, not exactly a warm welcome here. Sorry double post.
It’s ok, I am not here to begin raining on the parade with apathy and negative viewpoints or nihilism.
As I said in my first post just wanted to offer some thoughts, and I didn’t expect to get much response, espescially seeing as none of you liked my post.

Welcome to gtplanet politics.

I liked your first post.

Thank you for that. Honestly, for some reason my thoughts touched a nerve or something. It’s just too many coffees. I don’t usually venture into these waters, nor do I intend to continue.
Imo posting one thoughts is one thing, but arguing about those thoughts is pretty pointless given that all the arguments of this type are based on certain premises. Psychologically imo it’s belief vs belief nothing more.
Honestly, that’s what I think.
Once in a while I may share some thoughts, but it’s not my intent to argue them or try to prove them because that is in itself illogical given that they are all based on beliefs.
People do seem to love to argue these things, but I know better.

This is why I don't post in this sub-forum anymore!

 

[Biggles]

Thank you for that. Honestly, for some reason my thoughts touched a nerve or something. It’s just too many coffees. I don’t usually venture into these waters, nor do I intend to continue.
Imo posting one thoughts is one thing, but arguing about those thoughts is pretty pointless given that all the arguments of this type are based on certain premises. Psychologically imo it’s belief vs belief nothing more.
Honestly, that’s what I think.
Once in a while I may share some thoughts, but it’s not my intent to argue them or try to prove them because that is in itself illogical given that they are all based on beliefs.
People do seem to love to argue these things, but I know better.

Your first post was a long rambling digression that included a parable about pigs & corn of dubious relevance to the topic at hand & a follow up anecdote about someone from Afghanistan which also had questionable relevance to the topic at hand.

You then offer the opinion that:

since 2016 all the left has done is investigate. Being crooks themselves, they figure if they just keep digging deeply enough they will find something of note

without offering any explanation, let alone any evidence, of the way in which "the left" are crooks. You then go on to offer the further insight that:

Trump at least has some shred of honesty about him

a statement many people would find laughable.

You finish off by generously "sharing your thoughts":

Psychologically imo it’s belief vs belief nothing more.
Honestly, that’s what I think.
Once in a while I may share some thoughts, but it’s not my intent to argue them or try to prove them because that is in itself illogical given that they are all based on beliefs.
People do seem to love to argue these things, but I know better.

So, after previously suggesting you're wiser than those of "college age", you now come out & state that you can't be bothered to argue or prove your ideas, because they are all just "based on beliefs" ... but feel confident enough in your own wisdom to flatly state that you "know better".

 

[Chrunch Houston]

This is why I don't post in this sub-forum anymore!

Yeah, I don't know how many normal people read this thread, but the leftists are very vocal here as in most of the political threads on gtplanet.

 

[MaxAttack]

I, for one, love to post in these threads.

The half-baked reckonings and judgements of people who think they know me, but actually only know one or two of my opinions, can be a fun exercise to go through.

As for this topic, well, easy to see it would gather the backing of quite a lot of people if you were to level any sort of official action at Trump, likely to stick or not doesn't seem to be the concern imo.

 

[UKMikey]

Yeah, I don't know how many normal people read this thread, but the leftists are very vocal here as in most of the political threads on gtplanet.

If only the "leftists" (like @Danoff and @Imari?) would only shut up then the "normal people" could have the thread all to themselves and not worry about backing up or defending their positions with facts and quotations. This doesn't sound arrogant at all.

 

[Liquid]

If open corruption, not just corruption but open corruption, by the highest office in the land is tolerated by the United States Congress and met with a shrug of the shoulders, the United States forfeits any right to champion itself as the Land of Liberty, Land of the Free or so-called "Leaders of the Free World".

It's no better than some African or Asian countries that any of us would be quick to criticise. This Presidency is a sharp decline in the United States' standing in the world and disastrous for your reputation abroad.

 

[Imari]

Are you playing the man so to speak? I am reading these words as nothing but argument without substance, personally.

I suppose you could look at it like that. I was pointing out that "the man" was playing the victim by expecting behaviour from others that he was not engaging in himself. That particular post was not in response to your political statements, but in response to how unwelcome and unliked you felt.

This isn't kindergarten. Everyone doesn't get a medal for participating. Nobody said anything rude to you, they simply disagreed. If you can't take a simple civil discussion, then perhaps you might want to stay away from "discussion" forums.

If only the "leftists" (like @Danoff and @Imari?) would only shut up then the "normal people" could have the thread all to themselves and not worry about backing up or defending their positions with facts and quotations. This doesn't sound arrogant at all.

Heh. Oh language, how you tease us so with your lefts and your normals. It was just the other day that my Pappy was telling me that two wrongs don't make a normal.

 

[Scaff]

Yeah, I don't know how many normal people read this thread, but the leftists are very vocal here as in most of the political threads on gtplanet.

Now aside from being utterly inaccurate (as has been pointed out, it's not just those on the left who have an issue with criminality from Trump), but anyone who is either on the left or doesn't fawn over a self confess criminal is not 'normal'.

How about you try playing that ball, rather than the man!