The Trump Impeachment Thread
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He's re-hashing the same arguments that have been discussed in this thread. He says abuse of power and obstruction of congress are nowhere in the constitution or criminal law, and they are not crimes. Contempt of congress is a federal misdemeanor. And then the 'other high crimes and misdemeanors' part is subject to interpretation, so not the greatest argument.
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It's nice that Trump's "personal lawyer" is standing up for him. Really heart-warming. 'Course, that could change pretty quickly (based on previous experience).
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The latest news is that Pelosi is sending the articles to the Senate sometime in the coming days, possibly within the week. It is three weeks to the Iowa caucuses. Within a day or two of receiving the articles, the Senate will convene with all members present, to work 6 days a week on the trial until it is completed. The trial of Clinton took three weeks. So this upcoming trial will take Bernie off his campaign trail, and he is leading in the Iowa polls.
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I'm about ready to go on record: there will be additional impeachments of Trump. Pompeo, Pence and many others I think need to be impeached as well. The rot of warmongering and profiteering has set in wide and deep in our culture. I think the assassination of a high ranking national political figure has set a terrible precedent which is going to have disastrous effects.
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I think Pelosi’s words earlier demonstrate why there was/is some confusion over whether Trump was/is impeached already...
Clearly, Trump was impeached in terms of the technical/Constitutional meaning of the word, but Pelosi’s words today also point to a different use of the phrase, perhaps more meaningful and matter-of-fact - as, to me at least, her words seem to imply that Trump is not/was not ‘impeached’.
I guess it is a moot point - the real debate should be about whether these proceedings actually produce any meaningful censure of the President and his underlings. Whether that includes removal from office remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, Pelosi explained that part of the reason for the delay in bringing the case to the Senate was in order to allow for new evidence to be included, and to provide a more compelling case to hold a full trail (complete with the necessary witnesses etc.) that McConnell and the GOP have opposed.
And yet, by sheer coincidence, Trump signs Stage 1 of a new trade deal with China today - being seen to be ‘doing something’ right in the faces of the “do nothing Democrats”... even if it is only to partly repair a problem largely of his own creation. Next up - a nuclear deal with Iran in return for lifting US sanctions!
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Clearly, Trump was impeached in terms of the technical/Constitutional meaning of the word, but Pelosi’s words today also point to a different use of the phrase, perhaps more meaningful and matter-of-fact - as, to me at least, her words seem to imply that Trump is not/was not ‘impeached’.
I guess it is a moot point - the real debate should be about whether these proceedings actually produce any meaningful censure of the President and his underlings. Whether that includes removal from office remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, Pelosi explained that part of the reason for the delay in bringing the case to the Senate was in order to allow for new evidence to be included, and to provide a more compelling case to hold a full trail (complete with the necessary witnesses etc.) that McConnell and the GOP have opposed.
And yet, by sheer coincidence, Trump signs Stage 1 of a new trade deal with China today - being seen to be ‘doing something’ right in the faces of the “do nothing Democrats”... even if it is only to partly repair a problem largely of his own creation. Next up - a nuclear deal with Iran in return for lifting US sanctions!
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Then no president ever has been. You're right to notice that the colloquial definition of impeachment means impeachment and subsequent conviction. But I think it's not entirely fair to say that impeachment (in the technical sense) is not meaningful in and of itself. It has stuck to Clinton and Andrew Johnson. Even voting on articles of impeachment stuck to Nixon.
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Regarding "stickage", it says something that the latter has retained that label despite the highly improper proceedings against him.
9 of the 11 articles against Johnson pertained to his violation of the [since ruled] unconstitutional Tenure of Office Act, passed to prevent him from replacing a member of his cabinet that he was expected to replace; a trap.
The other two articles were for inflammatory language used against Congress and for disgracing his office and the country he represented (arguably just cause for impeachment in and of themselves), but in the absence of the Tenure of Office Act, it's not unlikely that impeachment would not have stuck.
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By no vote, I meant they didn't vote at all. 9 Congressmen didn't vote. 4 Dem 5 Rep.
Only 1 actually voted no and they were Dem.
Sorry for the confusion.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-impeachment-pens-trump-solemn-somber
I don't care what y'all gotta say about the link, don't like it, go find your own.
I've only seen Presidents use pens like that. Like when Obama signed the ACA. He used a pen for every letter. I believe Trump has also, I don't remember what for though.
I don't care what y'all gotta say about the link, don't like it, go find your own.
She was handing them out like party gifts...laughing all the way.
I've only seen Presidents use pens like that. Like when Obama signed the ACA. He used a pen for every letter. I believe Trump has also, I don't remember what for though.
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