The Trump Impeachment Thread

[Chrunch Houston]

Prediction: Trump won't leave quietly. It's just not in his nature. Come January 20th, be it next year or...*shudder*...2025, he'll be holed up in the Oval Office, White House security staff paralyzed in a fit of laughter over him having used that bigass desk to barricade one of the doors that opens out.

What actually happens if a president refuses to step down?

Now you guys are just being silly.

Trump's tweet for today:

 

[Danoff]

As if lots of people wouldn't want Obama to have run in 2016. Obama would have carried 2016 easily, but presidents have 2 terms.

 

[Liquid]

I think Clinton could have been a 4-termer, even if he did have the impeachment affecting his credibility, had he been able to run.

 

[DesertPenguin]

As if lots of people wouldn't want Obama to have run in 2016. Obama would have carried 2016 easily, but presidents have 2 terms.

FDR made a good argument for having more terms.

 

[TexRex]

I think Clinton could have been a 4-termer, even if he did have the impeachment affecting his credibility, had he been able to run.

Ehhh. I don't know about that. That's not just me thinking he ought to have been removed subsequent to impeachment either; I got the sense that his popularity was waning and may not have sustained a third bid.

FDR made a good argument for having more terms.

Pretty sure FDR just had more terms. No arguments in favor. Arguments [against] came later.

 

[Danoff]

FDR made a good argument for having more terms.

FDR was possibly the worst president in the history of the US (yes, I wrote that in Trump's thread).

 

[Aphelion]

FDR was possibly the worst president in the history of the US (yes, I wrote that in Trump's thread).

Genuine question: what makes you say that?

 

[UKMikey]

Genuine question: what makes you say that?

His economic policies caused the Great Depression and he wanted to raise income tax to 100%. That said, there was a war on. Righties hate him almost as much as they do Obama.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/daniel-mitchell/who-worst-president-us-history

 

[Scaff]

His economic policies caused the Great Depression and he wanted to raise income tax to 100%. That said, there was a war on. Righties hate him almost as much as they do Obama.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/daniel-mitchell/who-worst-president-us-history

That's an interesting source.....


I'm also unsure how FDRs policies caused the Great Depression when Hoover was President?

 

[baldgye]

Good to see @Dotini making sure the threat title is as accurate as possible...

 

[UKMikey]

That's an interesting source.....

I make no claims regarding its veracity, it's just provided as an illustration of what right wingers seem to think of Roosevelt. I also misread the bit about the Depression (not having been taught Presidents at school) - they say he made it worse, not started it. But his biggest sin is soaking the rich for votes, according to their source.

Good to see @Dotini making sure the threat title is as accurate as possible...

The threat is real as far as the US constitution is concerned, lol.

 

[baldgye]

The threat is real as far as the US constitution is concerned, lol.

Isn't this whole episode an example of how the systems in place fundamentally don't function properly?

Edit: Wont this just empower his base and vindicate Trump to those on the fence? Seems like nothing has changed in the way Trump is, it's just that any **** the other side can throw just got vaporised...



It's now already a hoax... maybe @Dotini needs to amend the thread title again... given how he loves to make sure it's acCuRatE

 

[Dotini]

Isn't this whole episode an example of how the systems in place fundamentally don't function properly?

No, because everything happened according to law and precedent.

That said, it is distressing how much unprecedented partisanship there is nowadays. Half the people were simply unsatisfied with the outcome. A Congresswoman was even "triggered", an extreme emotional response that only recently entered common vocabulary. This nation has endured these ugly periods of partisanship before.

Change will come, in what ways we know not. One thing what will change slowly - by design - is our laws and constitution.

 

[TexRex]

precedent

 

[Tired Tyres]

No, because everything happened according to law and precedent.

That said, it is distressing how much unprecedented partisanship there is nowadays. Half the people were simply unsatisfied with the outcome. A Congresswoman was even "triggered", an extreme emotional response that only recently entered common vocabulary. This nation has endured these ugly periods of partisanship before.

Change will come, in what ways we know not. One thing what will change slowly - by design - is our laws and constitution.

It was legal for 21 republicans to leave the chamber so as not to "hear" the evidence but then be allowed to vote?

 

[baldgye]

No, because everything happened according to law

Okay... but the Senate(?) made it clear they were going to clear Trump of any wrong doing prior to the trial.... how the **** can that be a healthy and functioning system?

 

[Dotini]

This poll shows Americans dwelling in a golden age of personal satisfaction. Can this possibly be true?

 

[TexRex]

Deflection and obfuscation.

*gasp*

That's unprecedented!

 

[TenEightyOne]

This poll shows Americans dwelling in a golden age of personal satisfaction. Can this possibly be true?

It's interesting to see some of the breakdowns:

 

[Rallywagon]

This poll shows Americans dwelling in a golden age of personal satisfaction. Can this possibly be true?

Why is this in this thread exactly? You aren't trying to distract people away from your prior post are you?

 

[Dotini]

Why is this in this thread exactly? You aren't trying to distract people away from your prior post are you?

In response to my (I think rather excellent, correct, balanced and reasonable) prior post, someone asked a reasonable question, "can ours (the US) be a healthy and functioning system?", a system that accepts impeachment, trial and acquittal as reality and then moves on instead of dwelling morosely on the what-ifs and might-have-beens.

A long-term poll of the American people seems to suggest we really might have a healthy and functioning system, despite the fact some foreign nationals and domestic subgroups might be a bit less than satisfied or very satisfied.

 

[Rallywagon]

In response to my (I think rather excellent, correct, balanced and reasonable) prior post, someone asked a reasonable question, "can ours (the US) be a healthy and functioning system?", a system that accepts impeachment, trial and acquittal as reality and then moves on instead of dwelling morosely on the what-ifs and might-have-beens.

A long-term poll of the American people seems to suggest we really might have a healthy and functioning system, despite the fact some foreign nationals and domestic subgroups might be a bit less than satisfied or very satisfied.

You are using personal satisfaction to try and prove our system is healthy and functional... surely you are old and wise enough to know that those two concepts aren't exactly exclusive to each other, and the people can be satisfied with their personal lives while thinking their system of governement is ****.

 

[baldgye]

In response to my (I think rather excellent, correct, balanced and reasonable) prior post, someone asked a reasonable question, "can ours (the US) be a healthy and functioning system?", a system that accepts impeachment, trial and acquittal as reality and then moves on instead of dwelling morosely on the what-ifs and might-have-beens.

Your post was a deflection and just like many of your previous posts; nonsensical.

A long-term poll of the American people seems to suggest we really might have a healthy and functioning system, despite the fact some foreign nationals and domestic subgroups might be a bit less than satisfied or very satisfied.

An unaccredited poll of peoples 'satisfaction with their personal lives' has as much relevance in this thread as my poll below;

 

[Danoff]

No, because everything happened according to law and precedent.

Except for the part where Senators admitted that Trump who admitted he was guilty, was guilty, and that the offense was impeachable, and that they would simply ignore the law and their duties, and vote in a partisan manner.

That said, it is distressing how much unprecedented partisanship there is nowadays.

Agreed. Very distressing. Amazing to see a party forsake the American government for the sake of political gain. Corrupt partisanship is a scourge.

Half the people were simply unsatisfied with the outcome.

You mean the half that wanted congress to do their jobs? Yes.

Change will come, in what ways we know not. One thing what will change slowly - by design - is our laws and constitution.

The Senate and the President are doing what they can to trample that as fast as possible.

Genuine question: what makes you say that?

It's for another thread. I'll keep it short. FDR fundamentally changed the nature of the US. Many of the socialist policies we have today got started, or at least have roots that can be traced back to his presidency. If you look at the federal budget, and look at the programs that are unsustainable, ballooning, and absolutely ruining us with debt, you can generally trace those back to FDR.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Except for the part where Senators admitted that Trump who admitted he was guilty, was guilty, and that the offense was impeachable, and that they would simply ignore the law and their duties, and vote in a partisan manner.



Agreed. Very distressing. Amazing to see a party forsake the American government for the sake of political gain. Corrupt partisanship is a scourge.



You mean the half that wanted congress to do their jobs? Yes.



The Senate and the President are doing what they can to trample that as fast as possible.



It's for another thread. I'll keep it short. FDR fundamentally changed the nature of the US. Many of the socialist policies we have today got started, or at least have roots that can be traced back to his presidency. If you look at the federal budget, and look at the programs that are unsustainable, ballooning, and absolutely ruining us with debt, you can generally trace those back to FDR.

But... but... We beat Hitler! As a kid with no idea about policies and how that stuff works simply thought FDR stayed president because it was wartime and he was doing a good job with that. What were the people's opinion of his multiple terms at the time? Again, not the right thread for this but let's make a new one then and call it U.S. History

 

[Dotini]

Except for the part where Senators admitted that Trump who admitted he was guilty, was guilty, and that the offense was impeachable, and that they would simply ignore the law and their duties, and vote in a partisan manner.

This statement does not quite accord with what I recall. I recall the Senators said that what the President did, however lamentable, or yes, impeachable, did not rise to the level of conviction - removal from office. They also noted the House failed to make a convincing case, lacking evidence, witnesses and even a crime.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Oh no, they're still latching onto the "it wasn't a crime" mentality...

 

[Danoff]

This statement does not quite accord with what I recall. I recall the Senators said that what the President did, however lamentable, or yes, impeachable, did not rise to the level of conviction - removal from office. They also noted the House failed to make a convincing case, lacking evidence, witnesses and even a crime.

I posted it here before, apparently you didn't see it. Here's Senator Marco Rubio:

"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ...


"... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation."

 

[DesertPenguin]

"... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation."

It makes me sick that elected officials will act out of fear instead of doing what's right by the oaths they swore in on. I want to yell so much at how awful this is.

Do the right thing. Let history judge you, not your constituents. So what if you lose your seat next year. You did the right thing. That should mean more.

 

[Dotini]

Oh no, they're still latching onto the "it wasn't a crime" mentality...

The first article was definitely potentially a crime, albeit a convincing case was not established for it due to lack of witnesses and evidence. Perhaps a 2nd impeachment could fix that?
The 2nd article was always a joke, something not even poor old Mitt could vote for. "Obstruction of Congress" for trying to take a subpoena to court is par for the course in Washington, DC.