Ooooohhhkaaaayyyy. I guess we have to discuss the last 40 years of the US in order to justify impeaching and removing a president that has clearly committed (and admitted to committing) an impeachable offense. At the outset, I want to mention that your argument appears to be "bad stuff happened, so it's hypocritical to stop bad stuff now". That's a terrible argument. But let's investigate it!
Yes true while he was impeached he also wasn't removed from office.
Should have been, in my opinion. And the same will likely be true of Trump. Impeached for a clearly impeachable offense, and not removed from office.
And yes while a military action was within the president's power (interesting through a bill signed by Clinton himself) it still is worth discussing that as a president he commited a military action in the midst of impeachment charges, something which so far Trump has not done.
...but could have done right? Given that he's commander in chief and is actually responsible for military strikes. So, I'm not sure why you're bringing this up.
However it also stands that Clinton being impeached for his offenses would also mean that Trump should likely be guilty as well.
It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that impeachment will happen. If the democrats pull up the reigns and go for censure, put a fork in them because they've given up.
I recall someone mentioning how Trump's lying actually strengthened his support base. I don't believe it's so much that as the fact that with Trump his lies are transparent and obvious, which wasn't the case with previous administrations.
You mean they weren't as clearly lying. Yes, I agree, they weren't as clearly lying. That is
kindof an important point don't you think?
With Obama, both Bush's, Clinton, and Reagan the lies didn't come out until well after the fact, and often it pertained to actions that were far more detrimental, such as Reagan and overseeing the CIA shipping cocaine into the U.S. from Central and South American Terrorists while simultaneously starting the war on drugs and incarcerating minorities on minor drug possession,
As best I can tell, your Reagan allegations are a conspiracy theory that has been debunked twice. Want to share your sources?
Bush in furthering the war on drugs,
How is this a lie? I mean, it's bad. I don't like it, but a lie?
Clinton on likewise doing similar and also sanctioning and launching military actions against Iraq on top of his sexual harrasment cases,
Where's the lie? Obviously Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, but we discussed that already.
W Bush with using false pretense to start the second Iraq war while also overseeing the institution of a torture program,
Waterboarding? That wasn't exactly covered-up, that was known-about, and argued about at the time. As far as false pretenses go, you're going to have to cite evidence to suggest that Bush understood whatever your false pretenses are while he was putting them forward. Go find it, I'll wait.
Gulf War II was directly legitimized by violation of the cease fire terms of Gulf War I. Any other pretenses you think were false are going to have to be demonstrated to be
known to be false at the time if you want to claim this was a lie.
and Obama with the CIA 'kill list' and drone strikes, as well as the regime change war in Libya.
Can you elaborate on the lying element here?
Basically the point I'm trying to make is that I find it a bit redundant to be focusing on impeaching Trump when there's been far worse things done in the past without an eye being batted at them
Where's the
impeachable offense. I don't think any of those things had any lack of eye-batting, but I'd like to understand how you think those presidents could have been impeached for the things you're laying out. You might think that drone strikes are worse. I'm not going to argue that point. But it's not
impeachable. There was no reason or ability to remove Obama from office for carrying out his duties according to the actual authority of his office.
frankly trying to take a binary position on politics in the U.S. is a fallacy when the mainstream aspect of both parties very clearly have their own agendas that run contrary to what's in the best interests of the American people.
I'm not the one trying to take a "binary" position on the last 40 years of US politics. I'm taking a binary position specifically on whether Trump has committed and impeachable offense. I don't have to weigh in on the Reagan administration to do so.
