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First of all, that's not this, which is what you quoted me to support:What I'm trying to prove:
Some believe: 1) VGTs are not actual concept cars because they are attached to a videogame.
So I think it is safe to assume that you can't prove that, which is a terrible shame because I don't think you're particularly far off the mark by saying it; and early on when the project was in it's infancy I actually felt there was pretentiousness on PD's part when it wasn't clear how it was actually going to play out.a big part of the animosity against VGTs in this forum is because it's attached to a videogame, and not any videogame: Gran Turismo. An incredible absurd
Regardless, the implied judgement value you're trying to assign to my quote doesn't exist. I was delineating between existing cars that PD adapted to their games with cars that were made for their games. I did it in response to someone saying that VGT is no different from what they were doing in GT1, which is a particularly odd thing to say with the reverence that the concept of the VGT program tends to get as often as the backlash against the execution. I brought up three examples of such from previous games to show what I meant by the word "actual". I then made a completely unrelated post immediately afterwards that should have made it clear that I think most of the type of cars that the VGT program has turned out to be wastes of time that will soon be forgotten by everyone involved regardless of whether they debut in a game or at an auto show and regardless of whether they are designed by car manufacturers or video game developers; and furthermore that the former being the case in either instance I don't think will change that.
You can assign whatever fantasy judgement you believe I was making about the project or PD or GT, and you can blow off people talking about them as "choice quotes [] that indicate all the tripe" while attempting some weird vendetta against a specific member; but no matter what logical equations you attempt to construct, I still wasn't saying what you were using my quote to prove. I don't think the VGT program is dumb because PD is involved with it. I don't have animosity towards the VGT cars because they debuted as part of a Gran Turismo game. I don't even think the project itself is a waste of time that could be put to other things, because the investment on both parties isn't as large compared to their usual undertakings and seems mutually beneficial. I only think the VGT program is wasted because it so far has a lot of the same types of pointless dick waving cars that would be completely forgotten within a year if a manufacturer just trotted them out at an auto show; and any animosity I have towards them comes from the manufacturers and PD trying to give them more meaning than I think they actually have.
Yes, divorced from context. Deliberately so, it seems. Someone asked why people take issue with something that the series has had since 1997. I pointed out that the VGT cars aren't the same as what the series has had since 1997. I brought up the three examples of cars previously in the series that are much more similar to the VGT cars that I felt explained how they were different, and what I meant at the time by "actual". I didn't elaborate to say that the VGT program is a negative. I didn't even point out that the marketing for those involved with the exercise is at odds with the point I was responding to.And divorced of context?
You then latched on that to mean me saying that they were made for a game means that they don't count as concept cars, or that because they debuted in a Gran Turismo game they are without merit, or that PD shouldn't be getting involved in making these cars, or whatever the hell you're trying to argue now.
That's also about the only way I can think you would take this post by Slip that you posted:
Respond with this in the thread it was posted in:People point at it as some sort of milestone for the automotive industry, or PD, but really, it only is for the latter. Because they'll still talk about it at any opportunity 10 years from now, but we won't hear the automakers doing the same. The new Hyundai won't showcase anything we'll see on a future car (even in 2025) that won't already be shown on one of their actual concept cars, except the melty-Honda badge.
Only to be met with this:This treadmill so people can fit their complaints is pretty funny. I'd bet good money that it's mostly a reaction to the attachment of a "video game" company to the name of these concepts. Same kind of **** slinging "arguments" you see with "REAL SIMULATION!" between consoles/computers that is so baseless it makes Santa cry.
If you'd like to bet money on an assumption, that's fine. You'd be wrong; I've got no problem with a video game company co-opting into car production on any level: I think the GTbyCitroen was an awesome move. I was disappointed when it came out that they wouldn't be able to put it into production.
The Tomahawk is not the same thing. Neither is the Chaparral.
And then go off to another thread and repeat the same insinuation as above, this time as if it is stone hard truth; and quote mine anything that tangibly supports your point as proof of it.
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