The Watch Discussion Thread

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I'm zipping through the mall when I notice one of the two large jewellery stores in there had a large billboard up declaring:


Bulova Mechanicals.

(insert pic of mouthwatering mechanical)

Time Flies. Bulova Soars.


Now I'm standing there gaping for a moment, remembering our conversation in here about mechanicals a short while ago. I stroll in to look and there's a whole swath of beauties all laid out and winking at me like nobody's business. The clerk comes over and I ask him about the price range and he tells me they start at $450.00.
Start? What?
I leave him in a hurry and scurry down to the other Jeweller who is my buddy (I spoke before about him in here.)
The store is empty except for some lady and her daughter (probably) looking at some rings or such with my man hustling them with trays of glitter.
This gives me a chance to check out his Bulova cabinet. Just one mechanical. And not even (IMO) as nice as the ones the other guy had.

Finally, the females fled with their trinkets, and my bud comes over and we do the usual hearty hoohahs and then I say: 'What's with the Bulova mechanicals?'
"It's the latest thing," he says. "Everybody is going mechanical."
"Uh, what? What?"
"I can't stock them fast enough - that's the last one I got," he says, taking the mechanical out of the cabinet and letting me have a look at it. Boy, did it feel good - the heft and balance of it was exquisite in my hand.

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"Not cheap, though," he says nodding, "but you know, I always give you a deal. Hold on, I'll work something out, hold on . . ." and he's now doing some furious (and probably fake) calculating on his calculator, and finally gives me the old conspiratorial smile. I had already seen the $450.00 price tag on it so when he said, "For you, Harry, two-seventy-five," I'm staring at the watch transfixed.
I need another Bulova like I need a hole in the head.

$275.00? The guy downstream was hawking them upwards of $450.00! It was a deal.
It was the Roman numerals that ticked me off. I just couldn't get my taste-buds around them. It was too 'clockish'. Yet, the rest of the watch was beautiful, even - from a certain POV - the Roman numerals were 'just right', too.

I made an excuse that the Roman numerals didn't figure too largely in my choice - and he knows that too, since we have had many a conversation about watches - both Bulovas that I've already purchased from him so far have index hour markers.
So he puts the pressure on me: "I'm ordering new stock," he says, "I can get you anything you want.'

Right.

Suffice to say, I left the store after a bit more chit chat and promised to return when the new watches came in. I guess looking's no harm?

*sigh. I want a Bulova mechanical, too. Like a hole in the head. :(

:lol: Maybe . . . maybe . . ..
 
But, of course. The grass is always greener on the other side.
It's the fact he gives me deal that is tempting. I don't think that's a bad bargain for $275.00, though.

Then again, I could get a really fancy quartz for $200.00.

He says the mechanicals are far more expensive to make. Obviously. Let's not snap High-test's main spring. :mischievous:
 
@photonrider I spit out my coffee. :lol: It's the sad truth. If you want a good Bulova mechanical, get an old 23 jewel. Otherwise.. don't bother. They're not bomb-proof, but they'll withstand being worn and firing ~350 .45ACP rounds. 450 will make them quit. Plus, you'll get anywhere between 2 and 8 for that money. 275 I mean. Get one good case and eight movements. Swap em out like the guts of a Ford nine inch.

Otherwise.. That watch was perty. But the guy sounds...unknowledgeable. For that money, you could get yourself a decent Omega bumper.
 
I am considering buying a Seiko "Fifty Fathoms" SNZH watch. Everything I have read has been nothing but positive, but I cannot bring myself to buy it, even though the price is good.

EDIT: Purchased. Now I just have to wait for it to arrive and decide on which additional straps I will be buying.

The additional straps I ordered arrived yesterday. However, it will probably be a few weeks before the watch arrives. I will post some pictures whenever the watch gets here.

Following up to my last two posts. The watch arrived yesterday. :D

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@photonrider I spit out my coffee. :lol: It's the sad truth. If you want a good Bulova mechanical, get an old 23 jewel. Otherwise.. don't bother. They're not bomb-proof, but they'll withstand being worn and firing ~350 .45ACP rounds. 450 will make them quit. Plus, you'll get anywhere between 2 and 8 for that money. 275 I mean. Get one good case and eight movements. Swap em out like the guts of a Ford nine inch.

Otherwise.. That watch was perty. But the guy sounds...unknowledgeable. For that money, you could get yourself a decent Omega bumper.

He could be reading this. I'm actually hoping he does; I'd love to see his face when I go back.
I have spoken about two different watchmakers in here - one who has a small antiques/collectibles/jewellery store in one mall, and the Bulova guy in another mall. I have shown them both this thread on my phone, and they have actually browsed through a couple of pages with me and also noted the web address.
Did the same with the scale model stores in the area. GTPlanet is famous. :lol:

A bumper would be great to own; I can actually feel the swing of the rotor on a 360, and I might even feel the bump on my wrist which might make for some company.
I could never resist holding an automatic to my ear, too, sometimes for long minutes - so soothing.

But now you've got me thinking. Hmmmmmm. Thanks. :) 👍
 
Nice watch!!!........ But I didn't realize that it was the same watch I have also(second one down). I should get NATO straps for mine. ;)

That was the watch that set me off looking for the 'classic black-faced Seiko 5' which i still haven't found. I've seen some nice models, but still looking for one that hits the mark dead-on.
 
That was the watch that set me off looking for the 'classic black-faced Seiko 5' which i still haven't found. I've seen some nice models, but still looking for one that hits the mark dead-on.
It is a really slick looking watch. I would recommend it, except the outer edge of the bezel's really-super-ultimate-bright-mirror looking finish? I don't care for that little detail, personally. And it's automatic. j/k *runs from High Test*
 
It is a really slick looking watch. I would recommend it, except the outer edge of the bezel's really-super-ultimate-bright-mirror looking finish? I don't care for that little detail, personally. And it's automatic. j/k *runs from High Test*

It is an automatic, right? 23 jewels, too. Mike could probably say right off the bat what's inside that case. But I agree about the face. And the overlarge bezel, the huge numbers, even the index markers too significant - there seems to be a clash of styles - though, from a certain utilitarian POV the watch then functions perfectly the way it gives one information at a glance.
This elusive 'classic black-faced Seiko' I have in mind is one that is subtle, yet distinctively Seiko. As plain a face as possible. Gloss black face. Slim steel and gold hands and markers with the second hand providing a flash of muted red. Day/date marking the third hour, the Seiko 5 badge prominent under a subtly beveled brand at the 12.00 hour. We're talking a 40/42 mm watch, maybe 10 mm thick, with a chain bracelet or a black snakeskin strap. I used to see somewhat similar on many a wrist, especially during the seventies and eighties when Seiko really took off and proved themselves as reliable, rugged and stylish. I had many automatics at the time, my favourites being the Orients and Seikos I had - but all long gone now, misplaced, displaced, or gifted away.
Maybe it's a bit of nostalgia I want to add to my collection.
Same with acquiring an Orient. I miss the one I had with a very bright orange face - evocative of submersibles, seaspray, and deep-sea skullduggery.
 
That was the watch that set me off looking for the 'classic black-faced Seiko 5' which i still haven't found. I've seen some nice models, but still looking for one that hits the mark dead-on.

@Brett , that watch is lovely. 👍 Photon, I know what you mean. I saw a Rado silver horse with a yellow dial that was so outrageously 1970s I turned the internet upside down, but could not find one anywhere near my price point. I lost many bidding wars, and got that (now nonfunctional) Bulova. Before I got the Mido, I let a Seiko diver with an orange dial get away. :banghead:

The right Seiko is a different thing to different people. I think Brett has it nailed with the NATO straps - it really can be an entirely different animal if the strap looks right. A good Seiko automatic, of any year, is that watch that will not merely look good. It will not just be one of those human creations that can stand the test of time while counting it in a servile but lovingly designed manner. A guy with a Rolex will likely tell you "hey, nice watch."

My ideal Seiko is a late 60s/early 70s 17 jewel automatic with a round yellow dial. day/date not necessary.

It is a really slick looking watch. I would recommend it, except the outer edge of the bezel's really-super-ultimate-bright-mirror looking finish? I don't care for that little detail, personally. And it's automatic. j/k *runs from High Test*

:lol: The hands make it for me. With hands like that, everything is forgiveable.
 
@High-Test Thanks! I was not certain I would be happy with the purchase. However, after wearing the thing for a week, I could not be happier. It is so much nicer than the Timex I was wearing. Nothing wrong with the Timex, the Seiko is just better quality.

My only complaint is I have to remove the spring bars to use the leather strap. The leather is slightly too thick to fit between the watch and spring bar and in comparison to the NATO straps, not quite rigid enough either. So far, I have only worn the watch on the leather band because of that, even though it looks fantastic on the black and gray strap.
 
It is not completely awful, just a bit inconvenient if I want to use the leather strap after using any of the four NATO straps I bought. It is also something I would not attempt to rush either because those spring bars can be slightly tricky and I do not need to be shooting them across the room by not paying attention.
 
It is not completely awful, just a bit inconvenient if I want to use the leather strap after using any of the four NATO straps I bought. It is also something I would not attempt to rush either because those spring bars can be slightly tricky and I do not need to be shooting them across the room by not paying attention.

I know exactly what you mean, Brett. What do you use to pry the bars loose? I've found that nothing on earth works as well as a cheap steak knife. Get the round edge of the bar caught in the serration dimple of the knife and push. It sounds hare-brained given sharp pointy things and nice watches, but works every time. Supposing you had non-NATO straps in the number you've got the NATO straps, you could just leave the bars in the bands and quickchange them like a nascar crew with tires. It'll take you and the steak knife only a tiny bit longer.

They do make spring bars that are double-ribbed at the ends for the watchmaker's pleasure. Those are way easier to deal with. :lol:
 
I must be insane, then. :lol:
If it makes you feel any better, I got this tool set looong time ago, but this particular tool sat in my small-tool toolbox for sometime before I saw one online. When I saw it online, I went: 💡 Before realizing that it was in my possession the entire time. I'm just glad that I didn't buy it twice. :crazy:

Edit: Before that, I used to use these, along with few words like 🤬, 🤬, and sometimes 🤬 🤬
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Swiss Army knife (Driver's version) works for me. Figuring out which pointy sharp extrusion to use torturing my fingers is half the fun.

All my more expensive watches, though, are never tinkered with; I even get one of the watchmakers to change batteries.
But then there the watches that get really old and worn - they start calling to be gutted and checked out.

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No no, I wasn't really dumpster-diving wearing that watch. Just the kind of abuse a contractor's watch would get.
 
I know exactly what you mean, Brett. What do you use to pry the bars loose? I've found that nothing on earth works as well as a cheap steak knife. Get the round edge of the bar caught in the serration dimple of the knife and push. It sounds hare-brained given sharp pointy things and nice watches, but works every time. Supposing you had non-NATO straps in the number you've got the NATO straps, you could just leave the bars in the bands and quickchange them like a nascar crew with tires. It'll take you and the steak knife only a tiny bit longer.

They do make spring bars that are double-ribbed at the ends for the watchmaker's pleasure. Those are way easier to deal with. :lol:

I just use a small spring bar tool. One side has a fork and the other is a point. It works okay at best. A double ribbed spring bar would be much better.
 
I'm a nitwit. I went roaring into the guts of that Bulova 23 without all the right tools (movement holder arrived.. yay) and got bit. Yay. Between the shaking of my hands :eek: getting terrible and realizing a wrong move too late, it's beyond my limited abilities. Oh well.

some pics.

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Rotor assembly. I was thinking "Bulova builds parts of these in housings". It was not true for the one I started on.

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WHOOPS!

The good thing is that I can get another 10BPAC for cheap and use the guts of the old one for other purposes. And I can save the screws. A stockpile always helps. :dopey:
 
Had to send my Rotary back for a warranty repair (6 oclock marker fell off face). The fact something so simple on it broke was one annoyance, but what was worse is that in the process of repairing the watch they damaged/mislaid the display box, and returned my watch in just a cardboard sleeve in the post.

Having to actually call them back to get a new box sent out was well below the standard I expected of a business doing watch repairs.

Anyone else have a similar experience with repair agents?

/watch rant
 
That's not right at all. Wait. The manufacturer didn't have a display box on hand? It's the responsibility of the repairer to return everything that was sent in, and replace what was broken.

I'm sorry that didn't go well.
 
Anyone else have a similar experience with repair agents?

/watch rant
I took my Omega Speedmaster auto in for a service and got it back 9 months later with an "unsolveable" seconds hand stutter.

Another watchmaker identified the issue by looking at the watch for approximately 1 min.

I should really wear it again, its been like a year.
 
Looking to buy myself a new watch with some money I recieced for my 21st birthday and have been looking at this Swatch Gran Turismo London. Any reason I shouldn't go for it? I know very little about watches so if anyone has any good suggestions in the £100-£250 range I'm open to ideas, preferably not a metal strap though.
 
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My newest addition. Elgin cal 761 27 jewel automatic. The last/only American designed and American made automatic. Not sure exactly when it's from, they were made between 1958 and 1963. My case wrench is three lug, the plate is four and the holes are smaller than my smallest pins. :ouch:

It has some interesting design features. The balance is freesprung, so there are no pins on the exterior - just two weights that move with inertia. It's not that I have two of the deathly hallows - I've got a pretty rad balance wheel. The geartrain for the mechanical wind and automatic wind is the same. Six jewels are used for clutches - three in each rotor pinion.

http://elginwatches.org/history/fm.html

It's wonderfully American. It's stylish. It's stupid thin. The rotor is making a grinding noise and the watch gains six minutes in a day. Unfortunately, it's nothing like the Bulovas in terms of parts availability. It's like a Ford Cammer. They're unicorns. The parts are unicorns. If it breaks, I'm hosed.
 
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