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Had a great discussion with Kolyana today about ideas for this series and I would like to realy try to incorporate (SP?) a rally feel, even though we have actual tracks and not 'sections of land' like in real rallys. That being said I would like to get some opinions of:

Stage 1 -

Section I: Grand Canyon Forward
Section II: Grand Canyon Reverse

Stage 2 -

Section I: Ice Arena Forward
Section II: Ice Arena Reverse

Stage 3 -

Section I: Tsukuba Wet

Stage 4 -

Section I: Special Stage Route 5 Forward
Section II: Special stage Route 5 Reverse

Stage 5 -

Section I: Swiss Alps Forward
Section II: Swiss Alps Reverse

Stage 6 -

Section I: Costa Di Amalfi Forward
Section II: Costa Di Amalfi Reverse

Stage 7 - Ony have this if u guys think 6 weeks in not enough

Section I: Up For Whatever Forward
Section II: Up For Whatever Reverse

I would like to really include some point distribution based on stage results, much like real life. So maybe for example the top 3 guys for that fastest split get 1 bonus point, or something along those lines. That way u get rewarded for knowing a section or 2 really well eventhough u may not know the whole track *cough...Grand Canyon...cough* And our main point system would be a total of BOTH of the sections and I was thinking of have more bonus points for having the fastest section I and/or II and if u are fastest overall for both, more bonus points....get this idea? I would like to really try and reward everyone for their hard work here, something u may not see in the WRS.

As for the stages themselves I was thinking of doing both stages in 1 week (unless there is a HUGE majority of u - and I mean HUGE - that would like to have 2 weeks for each stage) giving the series a 7 week total. And I would like u guys to vote on ANY track (BESIDES THE NURB) for the last week.

So shoot me a pm or make a post u guys and tell me A) if this post made ANY sense and B) what track you would like to have for stage 7 and C) any other cool ideas u may have. Hope this is making sense to u all as its now 11:30pm... :scared: . And please be honest, respectful but honest. 👍

Jerome
 
Very selection of courses there Jerome, reverse too i see 👍
This could be challenging ;)
Very interesting idea there you got Jerome!
Rally style point system is a good idea... not sure what u mean by the fastest split of a sector and stuff :indiff:
But keeping it real to the rally point system sounds cool mate 👍


~~~~ Jase
 
Jerome, after thinking about it this morning in bed (I'm not sure what other women do on a Sunday morning ... weirdos :P), I'd ditch or modify the bonus points for fastest sectors; odds on, it'll be the race winner who also scoops up these points.

Unless it's a bonus for fastest splits during practice, but even then this could equate to one and the same thing as the actual race splits and we're back to square one.
 
Kolyana
Jerome, after thinking about it this morning in bed (I'm not sure what other women do on a Sunday morning ... weirdos :P), I'd ditch or modify the bonus points for fastest sectors; odds on, it'll be the race winner who also scoops up these points.

Unless it's a bonus for fastest splits during practice, but even then this could equate to one and the same thing as the actual race splits and we're back to square one.
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HHmm...u have a point. So maybe rewarding points for each 'section' (forward, and backwards) That clear it up for ya Jase?

Love the feedback, keep it comin!


Jerome
 
Actually, that would work ... the 'race' is decided by adding the times together for forwards and backwards runs ... this is where the bulk of the points go. Bonus points (nothing too decisive) go to the drivers who scored the fastest runs for each section (forwards / backwards). So you could win the forward section, come third in the reverse and thus not win the 'race', but you get bonus points for the fastest run at the forward section.

That could work and it's nice and simple.
 
Kolyana
Actually, that would work ... the 'race' is decided by adding the times together for forwards and backwards runs ... this is where the bulk of the points go. Bonus points (nothing too decisive) go to the drivers who scored the fastest runs for each section (forwards / backwards). So you could win the forward section, come third in the reverse and thus not win the 'race', but you get bonus points for the fastest run at the forward section.

That could work and it's nice and simple.
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My thoughts exactly :). I cant wait to start testing in a while. The more I think about it, the more I would like to make a carlist Fox. Just to be able to try and balance the field in each division. Once I get the scoring and track situations under control the last hurdle is the cars.

jump-ace
 
I would like to rewards points for the person who is the fastest for EACH section AS WELL as the fastest overall. For example, in stage 1 lets say person A win section 1, they would get 3 points, I won stage 2, I would get 3 points, but overall between both sections Person A won; they would get an additional 5 points added to their 3, making 8 total points for that stage. Did that make sense? Or if Person A and I both got the fastest section times (Person A forward and myself reverse), but overall Kolyana got the fastest time, she would get just the 5 points.

jump_ace
 
Catch there is the complexity and - odds on - the person that wins the race will dominate the splits, too.
 
jump_ace
I would like to rewards points for the person who is the fastest for EACH section AS WELL as the fastest overall. For example, in stage 1 lets say person A win section 1, they would get 3 points, I won stage 2, I would get 3 points, but overall between both sections Person A won; they would get an additional 5 points added to their 3, making 8 total points for that stage. Did that make sense? Or if Person A and I both got the fastest section times (Person A forward and myself reverse), but overall Kolyana got the fastest time, she would get just the 5 points.

jump_ace
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I'll try to revise what he said for clarification. :lol:

Okay. Say in the first week--

(Stage 1 -
Section I: Grand Canyon Forward
Section II: Grand Canyon Reverse)

--that I dominate Section one. Kolyana rounds out Section 2 with her skills. Both of us get three points apiece, but, because I have the better average between both Sections, I get an additional 5 points.

I believe that's what he expressed, anyway. :P
 
Yup!

jump_ace
 
I just got back in from a weekend in PA and I really had a tough time following the points system you would like to use. However, if you know how to do what you want to do with points, I'm not real opinionated on that end.

As far as car selection goes, I still would prefer an open registration format that allows drivers to find a car that meets class regulations, instead of handing out a list. I think this would make setting up the series much easier, especially now with the points system you'd prefer which seems a bit complex.

Open registration should allow for people to use some creativity in their car selection, something may show up that is a total sleeper and add some variety to the series. A deeper knowledge of the car selection would be required to find the right car. A car list sort of always results in common cars. And we'd have some more freedom to play with the kind of classes we would like to run.
 
I like that little point system you got. I'll try to explain it.

Stage 1:
Section 1-Grand Canyon Forward
Section 2-Grand Canyon Reverse

These 2 times will be added together for a total time. For Example:

Section 1:
Jerome has the fastest time of 2:30.150
Redline has a time of 2:30.350
I have a time of 2:30.800

Section 2:
I have the fastest time of 2:30.150
Redline has a time of 2:30.350
Jerome has a time of 2:30.800

Jerome gets 3 points for having the fastest for section 1 and I get 3 points for having the fastest for section 2. Now we add the times together.
Redline's total time is 5:00.700
Jerome's total time is 5:00.950
My total time is also 5:00.950
Since you Redline have the fastest total time, you receive 5 points.

Redline 5 points
Jerome 3 points
bleurabbit 3 points

I hope you get it now.
 
HHmm....okay okay, u have a good point fox. Alright, I"m convinced. So for our car list u may use any car that meets the division restrictions AND is approved by yours truly. I just would like to keep most of the traditional tarmac cars off the list like your Vipers and GT's and such, because really how many Viper's do u see in the rally races in real life? Thought so...lol. So I (with the help of u guys that want to volunteer-just shoot me a pm) will come up with the different divisions, requirements etc in the next coming weeks, but I am thinking I'll stick to foxs idea he posted earlier. 👍 . Sound good? Did this make more sense than me trying to explain the point system? :lol: @ me...

@GTManiac, sorry man I want to take some rally cars on tarmac, just like they do in real life.

jump_ace
 
jump_ace
@GTManiac, sorry man I want to take some rally cars on tarmac, just like they do in real life.
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No prob.I'll enyoy racing at Grand Canyon(that will be enough:)).When this competion starts I'll invite one other great rally driver if he wants to race with me.Perhaps you know him from this year's bc...he's Werner! 👍
Speaking of which,when is this going to start?
 
I would like to take part in the Swiss Alps events if I can find the time in amongst my busy schedule :sly:

I need to relearn this track anyway 👍
 
Hey guys welcome, I am hoping to start this series in mid Nov. give or take. I'll take any volunteers to help organize race divisions, and once that is done we just need to decide on a few details, from there.

jump_ace
 
I am on board with the points system. 👍 Just had a bit of a time figuring out the format for it at first. That can happen when you've had a crazy weekend of crazyness eh...anyway heh.

jump_ace: As far as class regs go, would you like some help with registration/tech inspection or setting up a class system? And I do aggree certain cars should not be allowed, but I don't think a Viper would be the best choice anyway for 2WD Open (Group5) for example, considering you could run a Supra and fair much better. And yes there has been a Supra rally car. :-D

http://www.davesport.com/rally/images/kosmides.jpg

It won the Group 5 championship a few years ago. with Ralf Kosmides behind the wheel. (I think, though I might double check that if I can.)

We don't want to be to, restricting, you'd be surprised what shows up at a rally. I've seen Audi TTs, Mustangs (which actually whoop some ass), a C3 Corvette, all kinds of odd-ball trucks and SUVs. My favorite used to be this old MG coupe, but, it hit a tree two years ago and got totalled. :-(
 
Yeah, I'll take any help I can get for this series. Heck if we can work thru this division business we can start earlier 👍. But for the most part I would like to keep things as real as GT4 will let us. Now I am TRULY missing those rally sprints from GT2....*sniffle sniffle* The up and downhill climbs were totally awesome! WTF Sony?!?! lol.

jump_ace
 
Yeah, Sony really should include the FULL Pikes Peak course.

The rally courses in GT4 are, well, horriable for the most part to be honest.

PM sent Jump_Ace about class propasal. Paste it up if you like what you see and we can get more feedback.
 
Redline Fox
Yeah, Sony really should include the FULL Pikes Peak course.

The rally courses in GT4 are, well, horriable for the most part to be honest.

PM sent Jump_Ace about class propasal. Paste it up if you like what you see and we can get more feedback.
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Good 💡. Here's what were tossing around for car divisions:

roposed Examples by class, not to suggest we use all these classess
or not combine, just some ideas.

Open/Group A/WRC

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car '97
Subaru Impreza Rally Car '03

Class Allowances: Cars are NOT allowed larger turbos.
(Rigity refresh and increase allowed?)

Cars must be outright rally cars.
No street cars or concept cars are allowed.

Group B

Peugot 205 Turbo 16 Evo2 Rally car '86
Peugot 205 Turbo 16 Rally car '85
Lancia Delta S4 Rally car '85

Class Allowances: Cars are NOT allowed larger turbos.
(Rigity refresh and increase allowed?)

Historc Rally
Any rally car pre 1980 (?)
Performance upgrades may be allowed to keep cars competative?

Unlimited 2WD

Any car that is 2WD and fixed roof. All mods allowed
Toyota Supras
Camaro
Mustang
Nissan Z cars
RX-7s

Real life tends to have a small displacement class, but I think the nature of GT4 rally will
make smaller displacement and older cars just as competative, but we could run a under 2.1 liter
2WD unlimted class that does not allow turbos or chargering

Production
Cars 2.1 and under. No 4WD, no turbos, no charger. Cars must retain stock form. Sport Suspension,
chip reflash and sport exhaust, rigity mods, ONLY.

Production GT
Cars 2.2 and above. 4Wd, turbo, superchargers allowed. Cars must retain stock form. Sport suspension,
chip reflash and sport ehxaust, rigity mods, ONLY

What do you guys think? I was thinking of keeping the classes to 4, there are 6 listed here so how about a vote. Pick the top 4 classes u would like to see in the series....Ready? GO!

jump_ace
 
If you're going to include:

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car '97
Subaru Impreza Rally Car '03


Then may I ask why not the Peugot 206? it's right up there w/both the Mitsu. & Subby??

Then again, I'm down w/the Subby! :-)
 
jump_ace
Good 💡. Here's what were tossing around for ...car divisions:

roposed Examples by class, not to suggest we use all these classess
or not combine, just some i...deas.

Open/Group A/WRC

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally C...ar '97
Subaru Impreza Rally Car '03

Class Allowances: Cars are NOT allowed larger turbos.
(Rigity refresh and increase allowed?)

Cars must be outright rally cars.
No street cars or concept cars are allowed.

Group B

Peugot 205 Turbo 16 Evo2 Rally car '86
Peugot 205 Turbo 16 Rally car '85
Lancia Delta S4 Rally car '85

Class Allowances: Cars are NOT allowed larger turbos.
(Rigity refresh and increase allowed?)

Historc Rally
Any rally car pre 1980 (?)
Performance upgrades may be allowed to keep cars competative?

Unlimited 2WD

Any car that is 2WD and fixed roof. All mods allowed
Toyota Supras
Camaro
Mustang
Nissan Z cars
RX-7s

Real life tends to have a small displacement class, but I think the nature of GT4 rally will
make smaller displacement and older cars just as competative, but we could run a under 2.1 liter
2WD unlimted class that does not allow turbos or chargering

Production
Cars 2.1 and under. No 4WD, no turbos, no charger. Cars must retain stock form. Sport Suspension,
chip reflash and sport exhaust, rigity mods, ONLY.

Production GT
Cars 2.2 and above. 4Wd, turbo, superchargers allowed. Cars must retain stock form. Sport suspension,
chip reflash and sport ehxaust, rigity mods, ONLY

What do you guys think? I was thinking of keeping the classes to 4, there are 6 listed here so how about a vote. Pick the top 4 classes u would like to see in the series....Ready? GO!

jump_ace
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Looks great! 👍 I'd say ditch the Pro. GT class though... Too many variables. I mean, there would be no contest between a Celica GT-Four (RC '91, '95) and a Skyline without evening up some odds. Research of which would certainly extend your (hopeful) Mid-November start.


Jetboy
 
Jetboy: That would be sort of the point of the way I'd like to format it. Nothing is stopping anyone from finding the best car in the class, however, you'd have to actually know which cars are the best, instead of having an even car list handed to you. A real PGT class, like you see at a NASA or Rally America event is usually dominated by Subaru Imprezas, to the point that the entire PGT field is Subaru Imprezas sometimes. Its just the way rally and racing works. You gotta know the regulations and take full advantage without breaking the rules.

Of course, that is just my opinion.

In the end, its not really up to me, I just would like to see something using SIM mode to its fullest idea. Not some arcade esq paradoy field.
 
Redline Fox
Jetboy: That would be sort of the point of the way I'd like to format it. Nothing is stopping anyone from finding the best car in the class, however, you'd have to actually know which cars are the best, instead of having an even car list handed to you. A real PGT class, like you see at a NASA or Rally America event is usually dominated by Subaru Imprezas, to the point that the entire PGT field is Subaru Imprezas sometimes. Its just the way rally and racing works. You gotta know the regulations and take full advantage without breaking the rules.

Of course, that is just my opinion.

In the end, its not really up to me, I just would like to see something using SIM mode to its fullest idea. Not some arcade esq paradoy field.
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Okay, now that I viewed from your POV, I see where you are going. 👍 I'm a racer that loves to see diversity, hence was the view behind my point. I hate--no, loathe--races that become the same old draw, you know? Flavour is fun. :)👍
 
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