The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[Eks]

The real thing bugging me about all of this is the fact that games already purchased need to be paid for if you want to let someone else borrow it. I've borrowed at least 30 games from my cousin including Skyrim and GTA IV. Won't be able to have the luxury anymore.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The real thing bugging me about all of this is the fact that games already purchased need to be paid for if you want to let someone else borrow it. I've borrowed at least 30 games from my cousin including Skyrim and GTA IV. Won't be able to have the luxury anymore.

You might be able to make use of the shared games library feature although I don't know how restrictive that is.

One thing that is interesting is Microsoft where saying it is going to be immediate but if you have to fully install a game to play on it, then surely that is going to be annoying delay everytime you use a new disc game on console.

 

[chromatic9]

The real thing bugging me about all of this is the fact that games already purchased need to be paid for if you want to let someone else borrow it. I've borrowed at least 30 games from my cousin including Skyrim and GTA IV. Won't be able to have the luxury anymore.

Kind of the problem though. 30 games for free.

They may allow games to be lent months later, all the issues depends how you all vote with your wallets really.

What MS and technology can give is older games at a small fee if the game slows down. Steam has this already. Instead of lending said game, you buy it for $5. To attract gamers they can give games away, longer demos. If people are more than willing to pay up then the small amount of cheap ass gamers are not wanted anyway and may not be as cheap as Steam on PC.

What is sad to see is games selling on ebay that are available eleswhere if people look. Thousands of games a day get bought and the game with warranty is sitting at amazon,play.com or shopto not bought. many times the same price or less.

good thing about Steam is, you buy a game on pc and the devs get something, even if its a small amount. the prices reflect the interest. Devs get nothing from the recycled copies. Also on ebay they change hands multiple times. The collectors and holding on to that game isn't a thing most and young people share. When done they put it back on ebay and some other dude pays $15 for it yet he could through a new system pay $15 to the dev/pub.

 

[maxpontiac]

If Sony does the exact opposite, MS could end up taking 3rd place in the console sales "war" (for lack of a better term) yet again.

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

I don't disagree with most of what you have said at all, however it does seem to imply that companies always get it right. They don't and in this case I don't believe that MS have come even close to getting it right (and I may well be repeating this next week with the name Sony in place of MS) and as such it is only right that potential consumers discuss that and based on the information decide if they wish to support the company.

I've put a lot of money MS's was with the last two consoles they brought out, and now that ends. If enough people make that same choice how does that benefit the shareholders?

No, I wasn't implying that at all (...companies always get it right.). In my opinion, attacking the methods or procedures makes sense to me (if based on facts). Resorting to calling MS evil implies that they as a company are somehow different than all of the other for-profit businesses of the world.
A few examples, I use to have an unlimited cell phone data plan, I use to have a "free" checking account, if I am not careful I will get charged for using an ATM, I will get fined if I remove any polution control devices on the car I paid dearly for, ... I could go on and on. Most if not all of these examples are now industry wide procedures and methods. To call any one company evil is short-sighted in my opinion. I realize this forum is primarily visited by young PS gamers hence the tendency to attack MS the company intead of the procedures or methods that "most likely" may become industry wide, unfortunately.

 

[Organ-Donor]

MS's practices don't sit well with me. And after all the negative reaction to Xbone they go and cancel their E3 press conference with the media, I have a hunch why.
Meanwhile Sony is offering free, quality games at launch, and the system is built around gaming first, it seems like they are the polar opposite of MS. Yes all company's purpose is to make money, its how you go about doing so that makes the difference.

 

[LaBounti]

If Sony does the exact opposite, MS could end up taking 3rd place in the console sales "war" (for lack of a better term) yet again.

Xbox ONE could out sell the competition. But not as a gaming machine. And The One could have the worse attachment rate in gaming history.

Not something I would get my son. He doesn't have internet at his home. This was not designed with children in mind.

 

[fatkrakr]

The real problem here I think is MS sticking their nose in the used game bussiness when its none of there business. The publishers may have some claim, but not MS. This is an issue that should be hashed out between consumer and publisher.

MS claim not to be recieving any of the profits from the used games. Then why would they be putting them selves right in the middle of a controversy that doesnt concern them. MS might not be collecting from the dierect sale, but somewhere they are getting a cut. They arent taking this heat for the sake of the poor publishers.

 

[chromatic9]

MS and Sony have every interest in blocking used games, They get a royalty fee for every game sold and miss out too when the game is sold on ebay or whatever. Historically the console is sold at a loss or break even, the 6 billion Sony made on PS2 is down to software sales and a tiny bit on the console near the end.

 

[fatkrakr]

Exactly my point. They will profit from it yet make a statement implying there is no financial gain for them by doing it. 👎

 

[Scaff]

The publishers may have some claim, but not MS. This is an issue that should be hashed out between consumer and publisher.

I disagree, secondhand sales have nothing to do with the publisher at all.

Its no different at all to any other secondhand market (and nonsense about EULA is in my mind just that, nonsense). If house builders and car manufacturers attempted something like this it would be seen as ludicrous, just as it should be in this case.

 

[fatkrakr]

I disagree, secondhand sales have nothing to do with the publisher at all.

Its no different at all to any other secondhand market (and nonsense about EULA is in my mind just that, nonsense). If house builders and car manufacturers attempted something like this it would be seen as ludicrous, just as it should be in this case.

I agree 150%, but figured that was a whole different argument.

That MS or Sony have no business being in.

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

The real problem here I think is MS sticking their nose in the used game bussiness when its none of there business. The publishers may have some claim, but not MS. This is an issue that should be hashed out between consumer and publisher.

MS claim not to be recieving any of the profits from the used games. Then why would they be putting them selves right in the middle of a controversy that doesnt concern them. MS might not be collecting from the dierect sale, but somewhere they are getting a cut. They arent taking this heat for the sake of the poor publishers.

Just being devil's advocate, is it possible that there has been arrangements made between MS and the publishers to change the industry - I am sure it happens but to what extent. The publishers benefit from better control of the used game and pirating markets (profits rise) and MS benefits from more hardware sales as their platform becomes more desirable to the publishers - more software = more hardware sales. Without software these consoles are doorstops.
I really doubt that MS is doing this on their own, publishers are looking for ways to maximize their investments. Time will tell if the publishers choose one platform over the other, could be a gradual shift and MS is willing to take the heat for the short-term. It will be very interesting to see what the landscape looks like two years from now.

 

[HAL20XX]

One thing that is interesting is Microsoft where saying it is going to be immediate but if you have to fully install a game to play on it, then surely that is going to be annoying delay everytime you use a new disc game on console.

I remember reading that the game will install while you're playing. There shouldn't be much of a delay, fortunately.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I remember reading that the game will install while you're playing. There shouldn't be much of a delay, fortunately.

I read that is the case for games downloaded. I have heard you have to install game if using disc before you can use it. Hopefully they do same thing as they are doing with downloads.

 

[fatkrakr]

My belief is if I buy something its mine to do with as I please. I bought it. I didnt borrow or rent it. They are completly different transactions with different rules. I know some say just look at some computer software that cant be resold. They are right about that and I also dont agree with that either. There just isnt many choices with the PC so your stuck and MS know this. There is however still choices with gaming (looking at you Sony). MS seem to have forgotten that and have decided they will make the decision for us on used games. The way I see it we as gamers need to make a stand on it, which ever way you believe, and not just let the industry decide as happened with the pc.

 

[HAL20XX]

I read that is the case for games downloaded. I have heard you have to install game if using disc before you can use it. Hopefully they do same thing as they are doing with downloads.

Here's what I've heard:

The [official Xbox website] states players can "start playing immediately as games install." Any updates for titles and apps will install "seamlessly" in the background and won't interrupt gameplay.

It's true that they don't specifically say digital or physical media, but I would assume that it would work for both.

It does assuage the fear of running out of space since you could delete multiple installs and should you get the urge to play it again, pop the disc back in and start playing it instantly. I'm sure saved game files are maintained separately.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

If only half of the would be Xbone owner stand together and postpone their console purchase for 6-12 months, that would send a clear message to MS. Most of the launch titles are better off to be bought when the price goes down anyway

With multiple installs and deletions, I could see high chance of HDD slowdown within a year or 2 of ownership if the owner plays many games frequently. HDD fragmentation comes to mind.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Here's what I've heard:

It's true that they don't specifically say digital or physical media, but I would assume that it would work for both.

It does assuage the fear of running out of space since you could delete multiple installs and should you get the urge to play it again, pop the disc back in and start playing it instantly. I'm sure saved game files are maintained separately.

That is good then if that is the case. They have been quite ambiguous with a lot of things though.

 

[Wolfe]

My belief is if I buy something its mine to do with as I please. I bought it. I didnt borrow or rent it. They are completly different transactions with different rules. I know some say just look at some computer software that cant be resold. They are right about that and I also dont agree with that either. There just isnt many choices with the PC so your stuck and MS know this. There is however still choices with gaming (looking at you Sony). MS seem to have forgotten that and have decided they will make the decision for us on used games. The way I see it we as gamers need to make a stand on it, which ever way you believe, and not just let the industry decide as happened with the pc.

Actually PC games aren't as bad, because they're not tied to the PC/motherboard that first installed the game, many of them can be played offline at any time, and there are fewer hoops to jump through to trade/give the game to someone else. Maybe Steam makes it a pain (I don't really use it), but for example, the only thing I had to do to give my Guild Wars account to my fiancée was give her the login info.

 

[Earth]

MS and Sony have every interest in blocking used games, They get a royalty fee for every game sold and miss out too when the game is sold on ebay or whatever. Historically the console is sold at a loss or break even, the 6 billion Sony made on PS2 is down to software sales and a tiny bit on the console near the end.

I dont feel one bit sorry for the games industry. Theres enough money to go around, they just want more. Its not our fault Microsoft made such a faulty system in the 360 it cost them billions to overcome the problem. Its not our fault Sony's bluray gamble didnt quite pan out.

Gamespot took the used game business from mom and pop stores and made it a very profitable. Sony and Microsoft are jealous of those profits. So they want to stamp used games out.

In doing so they take away our ability to rent games, or buy them used at a discount. Suddenly we're at the mercy of these companies to offer the games at fair prices.

Movies are pirated from here to the moon and back, and movies are rented and sold used. Yet Hollywood continues to function just fine. Thats because most consumers will reward businesses/artists who put out quality products by buying them.

Im sorry, but what Microsoft is doing is total garbage and it wont last long. They'll pull back many of these restrictions in time. I cant buy a console and then be bothered to read all the fine print about how many x amount of hours I can play without internet or how many x amount of days I need to have someone on a friends list to trade with them. All that is total garbage and totally ruins the "plug 'n play" nature of console gaming.

 

[RACECAR]

Gamespot took the used game business from mom and pop stores and made it a very profitable. Sony and Microsoft are jealous of those profits. So they want to stamp used games out.

You mean Gamestop.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Do you have to pay XBL membership to be able to connect online with the XBOX?

 

[Samus]

Do you have to pay XBL membership to be able to connect online with the XBOX?

No, there is Xbox Live silver which is free.

 

[sems4arsenal]

No, there is Xbox Live silver which is free.

Oke thanks for answering 👍

 

[Samus]

Just to be clear you meant connecting in general, didn't you? With XBL silver you can connect online and do most things like sending messages, downloading games etc. The only thing you can't do is play games online, for that you need the paid gold service.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Just to be clear you meant connecting in general, didn't you? With XBL silver you can connect online and do most things like sending messages, downloading games etc. The only thing you can't do is play games online, for that you need the paid gold service.

Yeah,making sure that to perform the 24 hour check you don't have to be subscribed to anything .

 

[Samus]

Yeah,making sure that to perform the 24 hour check you don't have to be subscribed to anything .

Ok, no is certainly the answer, yeah. The uproar would be even higher if XBL Gold was required for this!

 

[Wolfe]

I hope you're right, Samus, but I don't think they've said anything about that yet, have they?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Ok, no is certainly the answer, yeah. The uproar would be even higher if XBL Gold was required for this!

Microsoft seem to be outdoing themselves regarding negativity day by day. Maybe they will save such uproar for E3, wouldn't surprise me . At least we know Microsoft will cheer the console on regardless.