The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[Samus]

I really, really don't think they would be that stupid. Essentially requiring everyone to have XBL Gold really would be a nail in the coffin.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I really, really don't think they would be that stupid. Essentially requiring everyone to have XBL Gold really would be a nail in the coffin.

The new family use, it being a connected system to get benefit from it and profiles in the cloud will be the spin, oh and you can watch TV* (As long as you supply TV feed) and Blu-rays if you don't have Xbox Live Gold . Would be crazy if they do it though, if they do it then they really have outdone themselves on trying to fail.

 

[thelvynau]

The new family use, it being a connected system to get benefit from it and profiles in the cloud will be the spin, oh and you can watch TV* (As long as you supply TV feed) and Blu-rays if you don't have Xbox Live Gold . Would be crazy if they do it though, if they do it then they really have outdone themselves on trying to fail.

Watch tv on your xbox from your tv that can already give you tv channels?

 

[Earth]

I just got a feeling that when you sell a used game to another player on Xbox Live the publisher will get a portion of the sell price. Sort of like how ebay charges a fee for using their website

You mean Gamestop.

Just a matter of time before I made that mistake

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Watch tv on your xbox from your tv that can already give you tv channels?

This is the feature they were trying to promote in reveal event and looks like it will be quite hard to implement on a global scale. Expensive voice controlled TV remote when working.

 

[Lain]

Microsoft has sold me on an Xbox None. 👍

I don't even mind the restrictions placed on used games, it's solely the internet requirement that kills it for me.

 

[LostRacer]

You do realize with the new disc installation they are just massaging you into no media world. With the disc no longer needed after install, thats a convenience for you. But in the not so distant future when they decide to stop pressing media, you'll already be used to the idea of downloadable games. They're prepping us for it now.

 

[chromatic9]

Microsoft has sold me on an Xbox None. 👍

I don't even mind the restrictions placed on used games, it's solely the internet requirement that kills it for me.

What about 3 days then?

Think Steam is a few weeks before reconnecting. I heard 30 days mentioned a lot but I've not been without the net for longer than a day.

 

[TheCadabers]

You do realize with the new disc installation they are just massaging you into no media world. With the disc no longer needed after install, thats a convenience for you. But in the not so distant future when they decide to stop pressing media, you'll already be used to the idea of downloadable games. They're prepping us for it now.

I think it's a bit early to "prep" for downloadable games. I'd rather have a physical game regardless. Furthermore, if they really want to prepare us for a future solely consisting of downloadable games then in my eyes they should start by lowering prices of games on their online stores.

 

[kennylmao]

What about 3 days then?

Think Steam is a few weeks before reconnecting. I heard 30 days mentioned a lot but I've not been without the net for longer than a day.

What about none?

I don't really see the logic in going online to play a single player offline campaign other than Microsoft trying to enforce control over me.

 

[Ddrizle]

Twisted Pixel announces LocoCycle as Xbox One launch title

 

[LostRacer]

I think it's a bit early to "prep" for downloadable games. I'd rather have a physical game regardless. Furthermore, if they really want to prepare us for a future solely consisting of downloadable games then in my eyes they should start by lowering prices of games on their online stores.

Actually, its perfect. Majority of internet users are on broadband now(not all but enough). 2 of the biggest issues with eliminating media is that people want something tangible for possession and broadband internet. The internet problem is slowly being taken care of. However there are still a lot of people that want something to touch. Don't be surprised if by the end of this generation system they start attempting to implement it. FYI, we already downloading full games via psn and xbl.

Its coming...You may not be ready now, but in time as technology changes, your beliefs about it may as well.

 

[Lain]

What about 3 days then?

Think Steam is a few weeks before reconnecting. I heard 30 days mentioned a lot but I've not been without the net for longer than a day.

3 days would also be no good.

Even Steam's "generous" requirement is barely tolerable for me. But Steam's requirement at least makes sense, since it's a lot easier to pirate stuff for the PC than it is on a console. An annoying online check-in requirement to eliminate the small percentage of people who pirate console games and/or to eliminate the large percentage of people who buy used games is unacceptable.

 

[kennylmao]

I can't help but laugh at 0:35 of that LocoCycle trailer.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

LocoCycle trailer : The opening music was great and promising then Pablo shows up in pixelated mess and the gameplay, wow, Pablo, you ruin my mood ... looks like only a 10 year old or younger might enjoy in the long term - that might be a stretch, and to play this you need to log in every 24 hours ... not so good launch title :/

 

[Musolini187]

I dont feel one bit sorry for the games industry. Theres enough money to go around, they just want more. Its not our fault Microsoft made such a faulty system in the 360 it cost them billions to overcome the problem. Its not our fault Sony's bluray gamble didnt quite pan out.

Gamespot took the used game business from mom and pop stores and made it a very profitable. Sony and Microsoft are jealous of those profits. So they want to stamp used games out.

In doing so they take away our ability to rent games, or buy them used at a discount. Suddenly we're at the mercy of these companies to offer the games at fair prices.

Movies are pirated from here to the moon and back, and movies are rented and sold used. Yet Hollywood continues to function just fine. Thats because most consumers will reward businesses/artists who put out quality products by buying them.

Im sorry, but what Microsoft is doing is total garbage and it wont last long. They'll pull back many of these restrictions in time. I cant buy a console and then be bothered to read all the fine print about how many x amount of hours I can play without internet or how many x amount of days I need to have someone on a friends list to trade with them. All that is total garbage and totally ruins the "plug 'n play" nature of console gaming.

No, how, why? Why do you make sense?

 

[mika haka]

Why I think microsoft is making a huge mistake on its DRM stance.

Retailers like game rely on used games to make a profit and keep their stores open. If microsoft takes away there profit margin then there will be less game stores and so either less games will be sold or the price of a game will have to sky rocket.

They are biting the hand that feeds them.

 

[Nattefrost]

I don't get that LocoCycle trailer. Is that serious? If it is I'm assuming it's some sort of Xbox Live Arcade game. There's nothing against this type of game of course, but surely you'd want your launch game announcements to look better than the launch game announcements of te previous generation? And if that's supposed to represent a full Xbox One launch game, I'm completely lost.

 

[chromatic9]

3 days would also be no good.

Even Steam's "generous" requirement is barely tolerable for me. But Steam's requirement at least makes sense, since it's a lot easier to pirate stuff for the PC than it is on a console. An annoying online check-in requirement to eliminate the small percentage of people who pirate console games and/or to eliminate the large percentage of people who buy used games is unacceptable.

In what sense is Steam's check in barely tolerable?

 

[BooyakaDragon]

amazing

 

[iMikeTheKing]

amazing

It was posted already on page 83.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

MS is paying 3rd Party publishers to not show their PS4 games at E3.

I'm sorry but that's a low dirty tactic & makes them scum. 👎

 

[LaBounti]

MS is paying 3rd Party publishers to not show their PS4 games at E3.

I'm sorry but that's a low dirty tactic & makes them scum. 👎

This doesn't help either, we can only hope this isn't true.

http://www.businessinsider.com/controversial-post-on-reddit-removed-2013-6

 

[F1 fan]

Scum's a bit strong... It is a dirty tactic, but it's not as if Sony can't one-up them and display a list of all those games that will be coming to ps4 during or after e3.

 

[Wardez]

Ok, this is just from what I've been seeing, and it's totally baseless beyond a few anecdotal accounts and articles broadly talking around the idea, but Reddit seems to be inundated by shill accounts that are fanatically pro-Xbox/Microsoft/DRM.

It's just like... no one is THAT hardcore positive about all of these anti-consumer ideas.

The other thing, is these accounts are brand new, or known reserve accounts that have only now begun to start posting and guess what? All of their posts are about MS and the Xbox One. They're not even being subtle with them.

If you guys want links to some of the questionable accounts, PM me, a couple of them are totally inappropriate with language and certain sub-reddits they post in.

 

[Samus]

MS is paying 3rd Party publishers to not show their PS4 games at E3.

I'm sorry but that's a low dirty tactic & makes them scum. 👎

Allegedly.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

It was posted already on page 83.

There are only 50 pages.

MS is paying 3rd Party publishers to not show their PS4 games at E3.

I'm sorry but that's a low dirty tactic & makes them scum. 👎

WAKE UP GAMERS!!!

 

[Samus]

There are only 50 pages.

That depends entirely on what posts per page setting you have. I have it on 100 per page and there are only 20 pages.

 

[Wardez]

btw, here's the thread that's now been purged of all content. I was reading through it just yesterday, waiting for a friend to pull up a cached copy (lol, can't shred paper on the internet) to review with some of the linked, and alleged, shill accounts.

Reddit's been strong armed into deleting posts by corporations before, it's nothing new In this case, it wasn't corporate intimidation. What happened was, certain sub-reddits have a feature where threads and all comments within will be automatically deleted as long as enough "people" flag it down. (which really is a dumb, lazy, feature for mods to use).:
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1fv5yj/i_saw_microsoft_employees_monitoring_this/

EDIT

Found the post!!!!

Hi everyone, Just thought I'd share something interesting that happened to me this week. I work for a marketing firm in Redmond that has a contract with Microsoft. I can't say specifically which division, but suffice to say we are not involved with the Xbox.

We had a pretty large meeting this week at one of the offices off 31st and, because this was the first time we had visited the Microsoft complex, we got a tour of some of the buildings. It's a quite amazing place. We won't the only visitors either; there were contractors from quite a number of other firms visiting, and presumably meeting to discuss projects related to our own. We had a semi-formal meeting in one of the larger meeting rooms, followed by lunch and some more touring. In some of the buildings they have offices for a whole range of different divisions all mixed together (e.g. I saw Skype offices, Windows Phone offices and more all in just one building). At one point we visited one of the Xbox offices, and our guide went off to find a particular manager for us to meet. He was gone for a while, so we were left hanging in the middle of a fairly hectic office for several minutes. While we were waiting, various marketing employees said hello to us/shook our hands - it was a pretty friendly place.

Just nearby were two guys chatting at one of their PCs, and they caught my attention because they were on Reddit! I thought that was pretty cool, and presumed they were having a late lunch break and were just goofing around online. I kind-of started to eavesdrop (I honestly couldn't help it, they were talking about Reddit!) and realized they were actually talking business. One of the exchanges went like this: "I got a few more on pics and some of the smaller subs" "Honestly just don't bother I think, stay focused on gaming. We really should be spending 90% of our time there." [Note: I presume they were referring to /r/pics and /r/gaming] His coworker went back to his own computer, and he continued Redditing while we waited. He must've really been hyped up on caffeine or something, because his typing was like a machine gun and he was switching tabs like crazy (or maybe that's just because Microsoft hires the 'hacker' type of guys?)

Anyway I noticed he was mass-downvoting a ton of posts and comments, and he kept switching to other tabs to make posts and comments of his own. I couldn't make out exactly what he was posting, but I presumed he was doing RM (reputation management) and asked my boss about it later. According to my boss, MS have just brought in a huge sweep of SMM managers to handle reputation management for the Xbox One. If you're unfamiliar with reputation management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reputation_management), it is basically what it sounds like. Social media managers doing RM focus on providing positive posts, likes and shares to promote the brand on social media sites and forums - usually posing as the 'happy customer' archetype through a multitude of accounts.

In the last year or so, Reddit has become more and more important to an overall RM strategy. It also often involves 'debunking' people who make negative or critical comments about the brand online. I've done this myself for numerous clients before (even on Reddit once, sorry!). It is fairly standard procedure, although usually not so much for huge companies like Microsoft. I don't know why such a huge company needs to devote energy to this, because their brand is already extraordinarly well-known. But in any case, they seem to be putting a BIG focus on it for the Xbox One. Not only in-house; they're also dishing out the big bucks for some pretty high-profile marketing firms to do the work for them. Reddit will absolutely be a part of that strategy, and the couple of guys I saw were probably just the tip of the iceberg.

I'm a fairly die-hard gamer and Redditor who frequents this sub a lot. After seeing all the massive debates about the Xbox lately, I thought you guys would probably find that little morsel to be interesting. There's a good chance that many of the positive posts/comments we're seeing about the Xbox One have been posted by employees from one of those marketing firms. It's fairly standard to diss your competitors too, so I'm guessing some of the negative posts about it might even be from Sony. That's just a hypothesis, though it wouldn't be the first time a seeming-crapstorm among "Redditors" was actually just a proxy war between marketing employees.

And just to show this wasn't just made up by me, here's where I grabbed it from:

I have an extension fro Chrome that allows redditors to crowd-cache reddit constantly so that any post that's deleted will immediately be available on the cloud and plugs it back into the deleted comments so we can see what's up.

And, just for fun and to be fair, let's add in a response from a supposed MS employee to all of this:

Sup, I'm a Microsoft employee. I dont work on Xbox, or even in the entertainment division, and of course I do not speak for the company and nothing I'm saying is official in any regard. This are my own opinions alone.
That said, a lot about this seems pretty fishy.

Why would marketing meetings be in the Studios? Marketing is split between a different campus in Redmond, the downtown Bellevue offices, and the MS UK campus.

Do you have a single picture of any of your time there? I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't take one, even just of the exterior architectures or a Microsoft sign.

The meat of it: If Microsoft hired a marketing firm to do reputation management for the X1, then why was it being done by a couple engineers in the studios building? Don't these marketeers have their own offices for their own company?

If Microsoft were actually trying to do clandestine reputation management, do you really think you'd have found out so easily? This company is actually pretty good at "clandestine".
Look, here's what I think is up. The X1 is pretty well received internally, and frankly, everyone I've talked to is completely confused by the negative reception. This should come as no surprise though! We're all tech geeks here. We all have good internet at home, we all watch a lot of Netflix, we are all the type of early adopters anxious to throw out discs and embrace digital distribution. Maybe the Xbox team picked the wrong focus groups, who knows.

Here's the point though. A lot of Microsoft employees are passionate about the X1 and confused about the negative reception, especially when it's often baseless slandering. And when you see that happening, there's a pretty huge temptation to jump to its defense. **** knows I'm guilty of it, check my comment history. It's not because I work here, and it's definitely not because anyone's making me. It's because it's technology I'm excited for, and I think people are wrong to have such a negative fiew.

Now, if some people like me over in a different division have this temptation to defend the X1 online, I cant imagine how intense that same impulse is over in the Xbox division. Maybe strong enough that a couple people would go beyond just giving their perspective, and take matters in their own hands trying to change minds about it.

That's what I think is going on here, if indeed your story happened at all. It's probably just a couple people that poured their life into this for years, and upon seeing the reaction, have gone a little nuts over it. It's not okay and it's not good and I bet their manager would love to have a sit down with them, but it's also certainly not any official effort.
TL;DR [Too long; didn't read]: Just because a couple employees were being jerks online does not mean there is any official clandestine reputation-management conspiracy. Also, pics or it didn't happen.

 

[F1 fan]

Allegedly.

Well it's not exactly the kind of thing that Microsoft (or any company) would publicly admit. We'll see what happens at E3.