I'm almost certain everyone is talking about a "4 wheel drift", the is no "3 wheel drift" unless a tyre is up in the air, toe settings aside if the front outside tyre it sliding then the front inside tyre is sliding and vice versa as they are on the same trajectory covering the same distance (I know not technically the same distance but the difference is not enough to cause one to drift and not the other) This is what happens after the front tyres are pushed beyond the traction limits. It is effectively an oversteer that becomes an oversteer AND understeer at the same time (A 4-wheel-drift). A Tyre's drifting dynamics as in weather it is drifting or not, should not be determined by either smoke or the colour of the tyre indicator as these are both load indicators and as such are not completely indicative of a tyres slide.
Three and Four Wheel Drift
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I get 4-wheel drift all the time in my car. Funny thing though, Ghost says he's doing it in a balanced car while controlling with a steering wheel. I do it with a wildly unstable car that has 65% of it's weight in the front of it, and I control with the standard PS3 controller.
I have no idea if the way I'm 4-wheel drifting is technically "good" or "bad", only that it happens more than it doesn't. Personally, I've never noticed if it was better to have all four wheels slipping. Whenever I look over at the indicators and see all four of them red I usually think I'm doing well, so I've never stopped.
It's not as if my car is super overpowered either. My personal limit is 500 horsepower, and I was doing this with a 466HP car easily.
Try a maxed out Soarer with NO turbo and these settings. Works every time.
Ballast: none
Balance: 65/35
Gears
1st: 3.168 2nd: 2.383
3rd: 1.859 4th: 1.514
5th: 1.274 6th: 1.070
Final: 3.825
LSD
Initial: 60
Accel: 60
Braking: 35
Suspension (F/R)
Height: -25/-20 Camber: 2.2/1.0
Springs: 5.0/5.0 Toe: 0/0
Damp E: 2/2
Damp C: 10/10
Anti Roll: 1/1
Brakes: 5/0
Edit: Just read Sleepa20v's note about the tire indicators. I always thought it was a "heat" indicator.
I have no idea if the way I'm 4-wheel drifting is technically "good" or "bad", only that it happens more than it doesn't. Personally, I've never noticed if it was better to have all four wheels slipping. Whenever I look over at the indicators and see all four of them red I usually think I'm doing well, so I've never stopped.
It's not as if my car is super overpowered either. My personal limit is 500 horsepower, and I was doing this with a 466HP car easily.
Try a maxed out Soarer with NO turbo and these settings. Works every time.
Ballast: none
Balance: 65/35
Gears
1st: 3.168 2nd: 2.383
3rd: 1.859 4th: 1.514
5th: 1.274 6th: 1.070
Final: 3.825
LSD
Initial: 60
Accel: 60
Braking: 35
Suspension (F/R)
Height: -25/-20 Camber: 2.2/1.0
Springs: 5.0/5.0 Toe: 0/0
Damp E: 2/2
Damp C: 10/10
Anti Roll: 1/1
Brakes: 5/0
Edit: Just read Sleepa20v's note about the tire indicators. I always thought it was a "heat" indicator.
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I think it good enough for everyone else to read like i said please don't tell me how to write Lock has read it with no problem so its good enough for me or anyone else, if you don't like it don't read it or complain about it. Thank you. and i do appreciate the help and sorry for sounding mean it just annoys me sometimes not hard feelings i know you yourself understand this
Also AC i agree it doesn't have to be a 50 50 weight car to do a four wheel drift its all in your counter steer and throttle feathering i do it in a 52/48 supra and pass Spirit R's and ISF's its pretty fun when you get the hang of it you can fly
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Also AC i agree it doesn't have to be a 50 50 weight car to do a four wheel drift its all in your counter steer and throttle feathering i do it in a 52/48 supra and pass Spirit R's and ISF's its pretty fun when you get the hang of it you can fly
See now this is where I'm confused. . . How is everyone else using this to go faster? I swear I must be the slowest drifter in existence. Everywhere I go I'm the slowest drifter. It's so bad that I either have to lead every time and set the pace for the pack, or I have to wait until everyone else has gone and go last. I don't want to be a fast drifter, but I don't get how I'm able to go so slow and get the same results as others. . .
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This pretty much sums up GhostZ
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Well like i said i have a G25 there for i can force the car to do this, with a controller? im not sure how to explain it. You have to feel the cars weight transfer from side to side front to rear, i can force my car to under-steer by feeling the weight transfer at a certain point then give it gas, weight transfers to the rear and counter-steer as less as you possible can. Also be steady at one spot on the throttle ( You can slightly change how much throttle you give but is hard, you have to be very very smooth with this), to much and you will have to much wheel spin and loss of grip, to little you'll have to much grip not enough wheel speed to keep the car going or drifting, so doing this takes practice as well and is hard to find the perfect spot to keep the throttle at for the perfect amount of both wheel spin and grip.
sometimes you have to move your front wheels back and forth slowly so you dont spin or lose the drift
In my experience its almost instinct to do it perfect if not instinct than knowing how your car reacts to cretin changes and using this to your advantage, Also knowing what you do to you tune and manipulating your tune on the car to go faster as well so learn some on what this or that does to your car as well. Hope that was good enough
Sorry for double post but i had to say this no offense, The resin your slow is your car the 2.5 and sc300 sc430 as well are very slow cars the sc430 is tolerable but still very slow i tried and tried to make it fast but no good the only way i can make that car fast ALLL stock max HP you should do is around 390 no more or its slow, When i get a PS3 i would be happy to give you some tuning lessons as well your tunes are not that bad just some touch ups on what does what and those tunes will be nice
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Thanks Gonales Feel free to add me if you like. I'm usually on late at night though.
Edit: btw I stink at tandems, just a heads up. I drive bumper cam so I can't ever see who I'm driving with.
@DriftEmotion FC - I normally don't use my 500hp cars. The ones I favor are the old RWD Skylines like the '73 2000GT-R, '91 190E Mercedes, etc... Hell, I learned to drift using the 1969 Isuzu Bellet 1600 GT-R! Damn thing only has 220hp. The Soarer is my favorite car with high horsepower, but I still drift it using the same style as the others. Maybe it's because I taught myself to drift slow by learning on such slow cars. As far as knowing how the car is moving and 'feeling' the weight shift, I use the bumper cam so I just look at how the camera is shifting as I drive and I listen very carefully to the sound of the tires.
Either way, I hope Ghost keeps going with his posts.
Feel free to add me if you like. I'm usually on late at night though.Edit: btw I stink at tandems, just a heads up. I drive bumper cam so I can't ever see who I'm driving with.
@DriftEmotion FC - I normally don't use my 500hp cars. The ones I favor are the old RWD Skylines like the '73 2000GT-R, '91 190E Mercedes, etc... Hell, I learned to drift using the 1969 Isuzu Bellet 1600 GT-R! Damn thing only has 220hp. The Soarer is my favorite car with high horsepower, but I still drift it using the same style as the others. Maybe it's because I taught myself to drift slow by learning on such slow cars. As far as knowing how the car is moving and 'feeling' the weight shift, I use the bumper cam so I just look at how the camera is shifting as I drive and I listen very carefully to the sound of the tires.
Either way, I hope Ghost keeps going with his posts.
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Every time I read an OP from Ghost I feel like I'm in a science classroom where the experiment is done first and then the hypothesis is written afterwards in the drift forum.
To be honest do all these philosophies about drifting really matter haha, I just go out there and drift for the fun of it, not to figure out why a+b=c through all these drifting logs.
To be honest do all these philosophies about drifting really matter haha, I just go out there and drift for the fun of it, not to figure out why a+b=c through all these drifting logs.
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It's like a french lesson where we are taught the word 'bonjour', (which we all knew) and then are described in minute detail the origins of the word, how many people say it a day, and what the word looks like in different fonts.
It's the detail of what we already know that we don't need or want XD
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Stavingo
Hahahahahahahahaha same here
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he hasn't replied to his own topic 
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Forgive me for not posting to the forum over Christmas.
It needs to be said that what I am describing is something that I almost never see online, not because it isn't a good thing to do, I explained why it is very good, but because I believe it is difficult to pull off. If everyone in this thread who has claimed to know what I am talking about is doing it, even once in a while, then I wouldn't post it. I'm confident enough in my writing that if everyone in this thread who claimed to know what I am talking about was doing it, then there would be a lot more mutual understanding.
I'm fairly sure, and I will I will throw out names, Stavingo, GODfrey, Gonales, SpeedA20v, Lerk84, and Drift_Monkey have no idea what they are talking about in regards to this thread. You can defend your drifting abilities, but so far the only posters who have accurately described what I am talking about is myself, Lock2Lock, and Drift_Emotion FC. However, Lock2Lock's description was very poor, and given how he agreed with other wrong descriptions I doubt he knows what this is at all.
I'm not saying that this group of posters are bad drifters, its hard enough to decide what a "good" drifter is, but I am saying that I spent plenty of time explaining this on the first post, so either they do not understand it or they do not believe it is happening. If they do not understand it, read it again. If you do not believe it, ask for clarification. Insults and denials just show that you are ignorant, and stupid. I suggest you try this technique for yourself, if you can. I am tired of trying to explain things better, you can either benefit from what I learned, or not.
What I described is not wrong, it is just difficult, with high rewards. It makes sense on paper, and is demonstrable in the game. If you disagree, then respond reasonably and stop the ********, or just leave the thread. I'm not holding anyone here.
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@Gonales, if "style" was the most important thing for drifting, you would still adopt this technique. Drifting fast is part of a style, and, it can be used to increase the speed of most other drifts without changing the "style". I would understand your comment if this technique improved speed while sacrificing everything else. Personally, I think this type of drift is very stylish. Basically, Style + Speed > Style. Don't discount a new idea just because it helps with speed, while speed isn't the whole goal of drifting, speed is also not bad to try and have.
I will try to find a way to record a video of my driving, though I am not going to go buy a capture card for just this - outside of that, all I would have is a phone camera and have to drift one-handed (not necessarily impossible!) to show a video. Given the responses, I don't think its worth it. Even if I did make a video, it would be better to take the video and show it to a few drifters who are willing to actually try it out and learn, instead of the entire drifting community. It seems like 90% of you are not worth explaining something to, because you don't want to learn how to drift better.
It needs to be said that what I am describing is something that I almost never see online, not because it isn't a good thing to do, I explained why it is very good, but because I believe it is difficult to pull off. If everyone in this thread who has claimed to know what I am talking about is doing it, even once in a while, then I wouldn't post it. I'm confident enough in my writing that if everyone in this thread who claimed to know what I am talking about was doing it, then there would be a lot more mutual understanding.
I'm fairly sure, and I will I will throw out names, Stavingo, GODfrey, Gonales, SpeedA20v, Lerk84, and Drift_Monkey have no idea what they are talking about in regards to this thread. You can defend your drifting abilities, but so far the only posters who have accurately described what I am talking about is myself, Lock2Lock, and Drift_Emotion FC. However, Lock2Lock's description was very poor, and given how he agreed with other wrong descriptions I doubt he knows what this is at all.
I'm not saying that this group of posters are bad drifters, its hard enough to decide what a "good" drifter is, but I am saying that I spent plenty of time explaining this on the first post, so either they do not understand it or they do not believe it is happening. If they do not understand it, read it again. If you do not believe it, ask for clarification. Insults and denials just show that you are ignorant, and stupid. I suggest you try this technique for yourself, if you can. I am tired of trying to explain things better, you can either benefit from what I learned, or not.
What I described is not wrong, it is just difficult, with high rewards. It makes sense on paper, and is demonstrable in the game. If you disagree, then respond reasonably and stop the ********, or just leave the thread. I'm not holding anyone here.
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@Gonales, if "style" was the most important thing for drifting, you would still adopt this technique. Drifting fast is part of a style, and, it can be used to increase the speed of most other drifts without changing the "style". I would understand your comment if this technique improved speed while sacrificing everything else. Personally, I think this type of drift is very stylish. Basically, Style + Speed > Style. Don't discount a new idea just because it helps with speed, while speed isn't the whole goal of drifting, speed is also not bad to try and have.
I will try to find a way to record a video of my driving, though I am not going to go buy a capture card for just this - outside of that, all I would have is a phone camera and have to drift one-handed (not necessarily impossible!) to show a video. Given the responses, I don't think its worth it. Even if I did make a video, it would be better to take the video and show it to a few drifters who are willing to actually try it out and learn, instead of the entire drifting community. It seems like 90% of you are not worth explaining something to, because you don't want to learn how to drift better.
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Wow...in a very round about way, I think you just explained to yourself how this here interwebz works!!
An open forum (and the Internet in general) is like a giant pub. It's full of all kinds of people, who are all there for all kinds of different reasons. If you were to walk into an average bar/pub/night club, jump up on a table, call everyone's attention, and then, in a very elitist manner, start preaching about the "scientifically best way to consume alcohol," you would more than likely get laughed at and tossed out of the establishment. Why? Because in all likelihood, 90% of the patrons wouldn't give a damn about what you think.
It's not that 90% of people don't want to learn to drift better (or consume alcohol better), it's that 90% of people don't care for your approach to drifting!
My advice to you, take your essays to PMs between people who are actually interested, or grow some thicker skin buddy. Also, toning down elitism in your posts would do you wonders in gaining a more positive response from the community.
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I do absolutely, completely agree with you that speed is a very important aspect of style. If "Drifter A" drifts through a section, hitting all clipping points while achieving maximum possible angle, at 35mph, and "Drifter B" executes the same drift at 43mph, "Drifter B" has got more style in my opinion.
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As far as making a video goes...
My apologies in advance, but for someone who attempts to come across as being as intelligent as you do, you kind of seem to lack some common sense. Drifting with one hand?? Why, so you can hold your camera-phone with the other??
1. Go to practice mode, or start a race in your lounge.
2. Drift
3. Watch, or save/watch the reply.
4. Use whatever you have at your disposal (table, chair, book, fish tank, lawn mower, etc etc) to build whatever kind of bush-league, redneck tripod/stand is necessary to hold your phone steady while it is pointed at your TV.
5. Start the replay, and start recording on your phone....
6. Bob's your uncle!!
Random fact, I have an Uncle Bob...he's in the kitchen eating left over turkey right now
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In all honesty, I personally have great admiration for your approach to tuning and drifting. I wish I had the time and motivation you seem to have to analize the art of drifting. But after having observed your threads for quite some time now, would I ever be a "student" of yours, or turn to you for advice...hell no! Why? Because you come across as extremely arrogant, and I have no time and/or respect for that.
Determining what is the "best", or "most ideal" way to drift is a rather abstract concept. Everyone has different reasons for drifting, different goals in drifting, and different ideas as to exactly what the "perfect drift" is. Just because others have a different approach to drifting than you, that does not make your approach better, or their approach worse.
I truly believe that more people need to learn that just because something is different, that does not make it better or worse. This applies to both drifting, and life in general!
If you are under the impression that one of your front wheels can drift while the other front wheel grips considering they are on the same trajectory then I believe it is you who has no concept of what your doing, either that or i've made an error trying to translate your monotonous dribble.
This thread resembles all of your other rants: there is a gap in your analysis that you don't understand and you just fill the gap with what YOU think fits and then preach it to everyone else and in turn get all frumpy when everyone doesn't agree with you.
From what I can decipher of your exaggerated post, you think that it's possible to reach a point in a drift when (for lack of a better term) the planets align and the inside front wheel becomes the dominant force on your front end because it happens to be travelling on the path of your corners trajectory with little to no lateral resistance, this is simply not true.
This is a by-product of the art (or in your case pseudo-science) that we all enjoy, the outside wheel is is the major influent of the front end as it has the lion's share of the load. If your judging the inside front wheel actions from the tyre load indicator, tyre heat indicator or the amount of smoke then you are reading it wrong.
On a side note, this is an online community based on sharing, you seem to love sharing your epic analysis. The only honest reason that I can see in sharing is so that people will read it and spur on an interesting discussion, in order to lubricate that you need to show a little diplomacy or everyone will just turn on you as they have been, the "holier than now" approach does not sit well particularly with drifters as they are typically humble by nature.
This thread resembles all of your other rants: there is a gap in your analysis that you don't understand and you just fill the gap with what YOU think fits and then preach it to everyone else and in turn get all frumpy when everyone doesn't agree with you.
From what I can decipher of your exaggerated post, you think that it's possible to reach a point in a drift when (for lack of a better term) the planets align and the inside front wheel becomes the dominant force on your front end because it happens to be travelling on the path of your corners trajectory with little to no lateral resistance, this is simply not true.
This is a by-product of the art (or in your case pseudo-science) that we all enjoy, the outside wheel is is the major influent of the front end as it has the lion's share of the load. If your judging the inside front wheel actions from the tyre load indicator, tyre heat indicator or the amount of smoke then you are reading it wrong.
On a side note, this is an online community based on sharing, you seem to love sharing your epic analysis. The only honest reason that I can see in sharing is so that people will read it and spur on an interesting discussion, in order to lubricate that you need to show a little diplomacy or everyone will just turn on you as they have been, the "holier than now" approach does not sit well particularly with drifters as they are typically humble by nature.
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Wow...in a very round about way, I think you just explained to yourself how this here interwebz works!!
An open forum (and the Internet in general) is like a giant pub. It's full of all kinds of people, who are all there for all kinds of different reasons. If you were to walk into an average bar/pub/night club, jump up on a table, call everyone's attention, and then, in a very elitist manner, start preaching about the "scientifically best way to consume alcohol," you would more than likely get laughed at and tossed out of the establishment. Why? Because in all likelihood, 90% of the patrons wouldn't give a damn about what you think.
It's not that 90% of people don't want to learn to drift better (or consume alcohol better), it's that 90% of people don't care for your approach to drifting!
My advice to you, take your essays to PMs between people who are actually interested, or grow some thicker skin buddy. Also, toning down elitism in your posts would do you wonders in gaining a more positive response from the community.
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I do absolutely, completely agree with you that speed is a very important aspect of style. If "Drifter A" drifts through a section, hitting all clipping points while achieving maximum possible angle, at 35mph, and "Drifter B" executes the same drift at 43mph, "Drifter B" has got more style in my opinion.
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As far as making a video goes...
My apologies in advance, but for someone who attempts to come across as being as intelligent as you do, you kind of seem to lack some common sense. Drifting with one hand?? Why, so you can hold your camera-phone with the other??
1. Go to practice mode, or start a race in your lounge.
2. Drift
3. Watch, or save/watch the reply.
4. Use whatever you have at your disposal (table, chair, book, fish tank, lawn mower, etc etc) to build whatever kind of bush-league, redneck tripod/stand is necessary to hold your phone steady while it is pointed at your TV.
5. Start the replay, and start recording on your phone....
6. Bob's your uncle!!
Random fact, I have an Uncle Bob...he's in the kitchen eating left over turkey right now
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In all honesty, I personally have great admiration for your approach to tuning and drifting. I wish I had the time and motivation you seem to have to analize the art of drifting. But after having observed your threads for quite some time now, would I ever be a "student" of yours, or turn to you for advice...hell no! Why? Because you come across as extremely arrogant, and I have no time and/or respect for that.
Determining what is the "best", or "most ideal" way to drift is a rather abstract concept. Everyone has different reasons for drifting, different goals in drifting, and different ideas as to exactly what the "perfect drift" is. Just because others have a different approach to drifting than you, that does not make your approach better, or their approach worse.
I truly believe that more people need to learn that just because something is different, that does not make it better or worse. This applies to both drifting, and life in general!
This is a fantastic post.
The only things I have to say is that those who are "in the pub" but don't care for my approach do not really have a reason to post. But that's fine if they do, so long as they don't derail the topic. This happens a lot, however.
I would hope that by posting this, people would read it and try to understand it as best as possible and apply it. Even if they don't think it's a good idea, if they try it it certainly can't make them a worse drifter (even particularly in the case of this type of technique which is for the most part very helpful in most situations).
And the last thing is that I do not mean, or see how people could read, my posts as arrogant initially. As the topic goes on, and others weigh in with posts that are either completely useless to the topic or stubbornly, factually wrong, I prefer to call this out so it could stop.
Edit: @Sleepa20v: You misinterpreted my posts. Yes, the inside front wheel is not losing traction (initially) and the outside wheel is. But the load is still on the outside front wheel, the difference is that the pushing rear-wheel acceleration motion of the car overwhelms the grip on that wheel but not on the other, even though the grip on the inside wheel is not. The car "rotates" smoothly around the inside front wheel, while the outside front wheel drifts along.
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Well yeah of course I don't know what I'm talking about and does it really matter? All I did was compare your discoveries and posts to a science classroom so take it as a really really light joke
I don't really care about the philosophies of drifting, shock horror!
If you don't get it already, I drift for the fun of it and not why the mass of gravity or whatever puts hectic load and heat into my tyres while I drift or something
I just wanna know one thing and hopefully you can answer me this: Do you believe that all your theories and tests can be fully applied into real life drifting? Or do some of these errors arise because the game is outdated within particular aspects and won't be updated until GT6 arrives?
I'm interested in learning, your posts interest me actually and are enjoyable to read, I'm only going to suggest you notch it down a little in your elitism since it comes off to me sometimes that you think you're "better" than everyone else.
Other then that have a fun time with your endeavours within the wonderful world of drifting and GT5.
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For a lot of things, yes, but for some specific "phenomena" (this is one of those) I doubt it. If only because to arrange the very specific suspension and vehicle circumstances that would allow it, most humans do not have the capability. I normally would still assert it as real, except that I do believe this is something that is "possible" in real life, but silly to try and attempt. Much like how racing a 900 HP Enzo on Cape Ring is "possible" if you spent such money to build the track to spec, and even then, most of us would destroy the car on our first attempt.
If you have something about drifting you want to know and learn, by all means, ask me. If it doesn't relate to the topic, send a PM. I'm constantly helping other people in online rooms that ask me questions or want help with a particular technique. If I didn't want to help the community improve in skill, I wouldn't do this in the first place.
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Agreed with this bigtime.
@GhostZ Just because something is yours doesn't make it better mate
I disapprove of people drifting for the speed of it. My motto: If you want speed go play Nascar, idc. People are different, people drift differently. This will always be true. And the fact that I don't approve of your style doesn't mean it's bad. I just don't like it.
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I tried to listen, I attempted to understand, I tried to help you explain to others.
In response I am brushed off as ignorant and after 2 years of wheel drifting in GT (1 year on a DFEX, the other on a DFGT) I am told I have no idea about weight transfer and tyre grip in GT5 XD
Was it not you who dismissed my advice and could be seen as ignorant?
Is there not a few points about respect in the AUP? You seem to view those who are not 100% accurate as complete faliures of human beings! I don't half blame them, you make your essay OP's so long, un specific, and unclear!
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Through the internet many words you speak will be misinterpreted. GhostZ is looking for an intricate answer in comparison to his own for a better understanding on his part. This is usually something that a person in question does not pick up on. Or I could be completely wrong, things are misread all the time. That's what's happening one too many times in these threads.
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If i may jump in here again Lock2Lock does know what hes talking about, He's been around me and a couple others on our old team who pratice's this all time he just does not no how to word things kinda like me. With that said the resion have so much passion to learn these things is 1(not going to go into that one on GTplanet) 2.This is whats fun for me is to learn the best, fastest, most best way to go around a corner
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Ummm great attitude. I was willing to listen to what you want to explain. But automatically assuming that I have no idea what I am talking about is really a great way to come across to people when you want their input. No I am not good at wording things. I garentee that i could have talked to you actually in a room online in the mic and you wouldn't jump to conclusions. Maybe for future reference ask me to re-word things if i don't explain myself in a way you can understand before you make ignorant assumptions.
Hummmm i don't understand but I agree with the other? Hummmm i must just waste my time by posting huh? Come on dude.
I mean people are trying to elaborate on what you are talking about and no offence but your attitude sucks toward them in the process. A few people asked you to put up a video. There's nothing wrong with that. They are not trying to disprove what you are saying they are simply wanting to see what you are describing so they can further understand it. I don't see the problem. I mean they could say the famous "pics or video or it didn't happen" as a reply but we wanted you to elaborate more on your findings.
I mean if you don't want feedback on your findings whether it is good or bad feedback why even post it. Then when people don't word things correctly or don't agree with every statement you play the "I'm right and you're wrong" card. Sorry no just no. Not the best way to go about discussing something.
I am pretty sure that on this fact a lot of the people if not all of the people you said didn't know what they are talking about.... Know exactly what they are talking about..
And just for the record you will see it a lot watching me drifting
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