Thrustmaster T150/TMX Force Feedback Racing Wheels

[Mike_grpA]

The DFGT is dead! Hail the DFGT!

Seriously though, this is exactly what the market needs, a new DFGT. I thought Logitech would be the first ones to the table at this price point, so good on Thrustmaster for beating them to it.

A couple of things concern me though.

1) The T300 doesn't have a great rep for reliability. I know you'll only hear the bad stories and not the good with these type of things, so it's all subjective, but still, hopefully they're built to a decent standard (sim racers tend to be hard on their gear).

2) The wheel rim looks painfully cheap. Hopefully it has the same adapter as the T300/T500, for upgrading the rim to some of the nicer TM rims.

3) Where it says "Optical position reading". So it has an optical encoder and not hall sensor. One of the only upgrades the G29 has is a hall sensor instead of the unreliable optical encoders the G25/27 had.

4) Gear and belt drive? This tells me they're using a belt drive from the motor to a gear set to the wheel shaft. I'm guessing from this the motor is probably pretty weak if it needs a gear set, a-la DFGT. Not necessarily a bad thing if they've geared it to be half decent, but it could result in slow wheel movement like the DFGT had. Also having a belt there too doesn't make sense to me. Why not a belt, or a gear set? Why both? Probably just marketing so people think it's better than just gears, but I doubt it'll be quieter than a G29, and the belt may dampen some finer ffb effects if it's paired to a weak motor.

All in all, for that price you can't expect it to be on the same level as a T300 or even a G29, but it will certainly be as good, if not better, than the T100 in terms of ffb, and it will have full PS4 compatibility and 1080 degrees of rotation. No matter how you look at it, it looks like a winner. $200us for a multi turn ffb wheel is what the market has been missing.

Welcome to the new DFGT!

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

The T150 Force Feedback will be available in October, at a suggested retail price of €199.99 (taxes included) and $199 in North America. TheT150 Ferrari Wheel Force Feedback version will be available at the same time and at the same price.

€199.99 British Pounds = $301.87 US Dollars.
Thrustmaster T100 is $150.00 - $225.00 US Dollars
(I think you guys may be underestimating the price, So be prepared).

I think I'm still going to buy the T300, when GT7 is released, So I can also have the steering wheel modular as well for add-on wheels options too, not so with the T150 RS, I think that option is worth the extra $99.00.

 

[skazz]

€199.99 British Pounds = $301.87 US Dollars.
Thrustmaster T100 is $150.00 - $225.00 US Dollars
(I think you guys may be underestimating the price, So be prepared).

You are getting confused between euros and pounds.
The $199 price is from the global press release:
http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/Пресса/thrustmaster-t150-force-feedback-advanced-wheel-all-fun-force-feedback-officially-licensed-ps

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

You are getting confused between euros and pounds.
The $199 price is from the global press release:
http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/Пресса/thrustmaster-t150-force-feedback-advanced-wheel-all-fun-force-feedback-officially-licensed-ps

The Thrustmaster T100RS is $150.00 - $297.00 US Dollars, and it is old technology, I hope you are right, but with Thrustmaster being a British Company, I think the press release may be a Typo or an currency exchange over site considering price range of other Thrustmaster products.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...7Z2kRKUtCpdzwwn4xF-DahoCMfPw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&cat=&query_string=Thrustmaster+T100

And On Amazon the T100 RS is $297.00 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HRK6MM6/?tag=gtplanet-20[/QUOTE]

This is the UK Press Release, and it is different, but if it is correct it will put the T150 about $257.00 US Dollars
http://www.thrustmaster.com/press/t...-wheel-force-feedback-advanced-wheels-all-fun

 

[super_gt]

€199.99 British Pounds = $301.87 US Dollars.
Thrustmaster T100 is $150.00 - $225.00 US Dollars
(I think you guys may be underestimating the price, So be prepared).

I think I'm still going to buy the T300, when GT7 is released, So I can also have the steering wheel modular as well for add-on wheels options too, not so with the T150 RS, I think that option is worth the extra $99.00.

Coming out at the end of September in US Amazon.

 

[Mike_grpA]

The Thrustmaster T100RS is $150.00 - $297.00 US Dollars, and it is old technology, I hope you are right, but with Thrustmaster being a British Company, I think the press release may be a Typo or an currency exchange over site considering price range of other Thrustmaster products.

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http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&cat=&query_string=Thrustmaster+T100

And On Amazon the T100 RS is $297.00 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HRK6MM6/?tag=gtplanet-20

This is the UK Press Release, and it is different, but if it is correct it will put the T150 about $257.00 US Dollars
http://www.thrustmaster.com/press/t...-wheel-force-feedback-advanced-wheels-all-fun

The rrp of the T100 is 99gbp, and it isn't "old technology" compared to the T150, it's the same technology.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/products/t100-force-feedback-racing-wheel

If you look at TM's own page for the T100, they describe the mixed belt pulley and gears system" and "metal ball bearing" and "Immersion touch sense technology" exactly the same as in their T150 page. The pedal set is also identical. As far as I can tell, other than the rim and plastic box on the base, the only real differences are full PS4 support and 1080 degree rotation. Other than that it seems to be pretty much the same as a T100.

In the press release; http://www.thrustmaster.com/press/t...-wheel-force-feedback-advanced-wheels-all-fun, it says the rrp is 169.99gbp, which is $257usd at the current exchange rate, as you said, but we all know that wheels aren't sold at the exact exchange rate of the same price all around the world. The rrp of the T300 was 369 euro, which is almost $600aud, but the rrp for it in Australia was $500aud. In Brazil, I've read, the racing wheels are ridiculously pricey compared to elsewhere.

I've read the T150 will have a rrp of $199usd, $199euro and 169gbp. 199 euro is $320aud, 169gbp is $370aud, and $199usd is $287aud. So from exchange rates alone I have no indication whatsoever what the rrp will be for Australia until TM announce it. I would expect they'll put it around the $300 point, but that's still pretty pricey for what's essentially a T100 with 1080 degree rotation.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

3) Where it says "Optical position reading". So it has an optical encoder and not hall sensor. One of the only upgrades the G29 has is a hall sensor instead of the unreliable optical encoders the G25/27 had.

4) Gear and belt drive? This tells me they're using a belt drive from the motor to a gear set to the wheel shaft. I'm guessing from this the motor is probably pretty weak if it needs a gear set, a-la DFGT. Not necessarily a bad thing if they've geared it to be half decent, but it could result in slow wheel movement like the DFGT had. Also having a belt there too doesn't make sense to me. Why not a belt, or a gear set? Why both? Probably just marketing so people think it's better than just gears, but I doubt it'll be quieter than a G29, and the belt may dampen some finer ffb effects if it's paired to a weak motor.

All in all, for that price you can't expect it to be on the same level as a T300 or even a G29, but it will certainly be as good, if not better, than the T100 in terms of ffb, and it will have full PS4 compatibility and 1080 degrees of rotation. No matter how you look at it, it looks like a winner. $200us for a multi turn ffb wheel is what the market has been missing.

If those 2 points are true it's going to dampen my enthusiasm slightly. I've had problems with the optical encoder in my G25 so I'm not keen on having another wheel that uses that technology.

As for the FFB, I was hoping it would be on par with the G27/29 at least. If it's the level of DFGT then it's going to be a step down from my G25 which makes it not worth it.

I'll still wait for reviews when it's out, but it looks like I might need to get a T300 after all

 

[Mike_grpA]

If those 2 points are true it's going to dampen my enthusiasm slightly. I've had problems with the optical encoder in my G25 so I'm not keen on having another wheel that uses that technology.

As for the FFB, I was hoping it would be on par with the G27/29 at least. If it's the level of DFGT then it's going to be a step down from my G25 which makes it not worth it.

I'll still wait for reviews when it's out, but it looks like I might need to get a T300 after all

Don't give up hope yet mate. Most wheels use optical encoders, and some aren't as bad as the infamous Logitech ones (Fanatec's encoders don't have a reputation for failing). I only mentioned it as TM don't have a great rep for reliability on their lower end wheels, and it seems like a part that could be particularly fragile.

As far as the ffb strength, that's just speculation on my part, but it has the exact same drive mechanism as the T100, so I wouldn't expect it to be much better ffb than that. Certainly it'll be nowhere near a T300 ffb strength.

 

[Soulfresh_ACV]

Your OP post in The Thrusmaster T300 RS Racing Wheel Thread is amazing
There is only one flaw,it needs more likes

Thanks. I actually don't know if people appreciate those op at all since I don't get much "likes" or feedback whether users find the info and links useful.

Always try to keep the structure and formats concise for my other hardware posts examples for those who missed any of the Thrustmaster ones:

• Thrustmaster T300RS Racing Wheel Thread
• Thrustmaster TX Racing Wheel Thread
• Thrustmaster T3PA Pro & T3PA Wide Pedal Set Thread
• Thrustmaster TH8A Shifter Thread

 

[kikie]

The Thrustmaster T100RS is $150.00 - $297.00 US Dollars, and it is old technology, I hope you are right, but with Thrustmaster being a British Company,

Just a minor thing but isn't Thrustmaster founded in 1992 in the USA? And isn't Thrustmaster a part of the French Guillemot Corporation company since 1999? So, Thrustmaster is actually a French company, not British, if I'm not mistaken.

The T150 is going to be a good budget wheel.

 

[GT'S BiG FaN]

Oh I hope there will be an XBOX One variant.

 

[kikie]

Oh I hope there will be an XBOX One variant.

The TX Racing Wheel Servo Base is compitable with the Xbox one. But it is 900° and not 1080°.

 

[littleregret265]

The rrp of the T100 is 99gbp, and it isn't "old technology" compared to the T150, it's the same technology.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/products/t100-force-feedback-racing-wheel

If you look at TM's own page for the T100, they describe the mixed belt pulley and gears system" and "metal ball bearing" and "Immersion touch sense technology" exactly the same as in their T150 page. The pedal set is also identical. As far as I can tell, other than the rim and plastic box on the base, the only real differences are full PS4 support and 1080 degree rotation. Other than that it seems to be pretty much the same as a T100.

Quick question: On the T100, is there any upgradability (i.e. using a TH8A or T3PA pedals)?

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Thrustmaster is actually a French company, not British,

Thanks Kikie, I got Thrustmaster confused with Slighty Mad Studio's, but even with that fact, price comparison to the T100 would lead me to believe the T150 would never sell at $199.99

the only real differences are full PS4 support and 1080 degree rotation. Other than that it seems to be pretty much the same as a T100.

One Major thing you forgot is the T150 is simi modular, You can add TH8A shifter and T3PA pedals, to the T150, you can't do that with the T100.

 

[kikie]

Thanks Kikie, I got Thrustmaster confused with Slighty Mad Studio's, but even with that fact, price comparison to the T100 would lead me to believe the T150 would never sell at $199.99

Indeed. There is no official price for the T150 on the Thrusmaster website.

I wonder where the $200/€200 mentioned in the OP comes from?

 

[littleregret265]

Indeed. There is no official price for the T150 on the Thrusmaster website.

I wonder where the $200/€200 mentioned in the OP comes from?

It's in their press release which is on the US website at least

 

[Kitten]

Cant wait to see the reviews for it. Although, i might just get a TX base tbh.

 

[super_gt]

Indeed. There is no official price for the T150 on the Thrusmaster website.

I wonder where the $200/€200 mentioned in the OP comes from?

The T150 Force Feedback is very aggressively priced at less than €200.
The T150 Force Feedback is very aggressively priced at less than $200

 

[Mike_grpA]

Quick question: On the T100, is there any upgradability (i.e. using a TH8A or T3PA pedals)?

Thanks Kikie, I got Thrustmaster confused with Slighty Mad Studio's, but even with that fact, price comparison to the T100 would lead me to believe the T150 would never sell at $199.99


One Major thing you forgot is the T150 is simi modular, You can add TH8A shifter and T3PA pedals, to the T150, you can't do that with the T100.

Ah yes that's true, you can at least upgrade the rubbish pedals and add a shifter, which you can't do to the T100.

I don't think this wheel is meant to coexist with the T100 anyway, I think it will be intended as the T100's replacement, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them end T100 production soon, as what's the point buying one for 99gbp when you can get essentially the same insides, but with a better rim and 1080 rotation for 169gbp, that has the ability to upgrade pedals and add a shifter?

 

[Dopplegagger]

The TX Racing Wheel Servo Base is compitable with the Xbox one. But it is 900° and not 1080°.

Not the same thing. The TX Servo base is just the TX wheel base with out a rim or pedals. This is a less expensive FFB wheel with a gear drive system and a non-detachable wheel. This gets you up and running at $250? and the TX Servo Base will still require $400 to be up and running.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

I'm just hoping that this thing is reliable because it looks really tempting at its slated price. This sounds like a far better deal than the G29.

 

[JohnBodin]

I think the quality of the wheel itself is going to be fine -- it sounds like the T150 belt/gear FFB mechanism will be based on the FFB mechanism used in the Ferrari F430 Force and T100 wheels, both of which only featured 270 degrees of rotation. It sounds like TM modified those mechanisms to allow for 1080 degrees of rotation to serve as a good "entry-level" wheel in their line-up.

There's a lot of good discussion about the wheel going on over in the InsideSimRacing forums:

Link: http://www.isrtv.com/forums/topic/19300-thrustmaster-t150-official-announcement/

As I said over there:

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Speaking of the F430 Force wheel, here was ISR's look at the F430 wheel, which should serve as kind of a "preview" of what to expect with the T150 (plus 1080 degrees of rotation):



As I've said before, I feel like the F430 was a turning point for Thrustmaster -- all the "modern-era" (non-bungee) wheels that came before it had LOTS of cheap plastic and toy-like gear-driven FFB mechanisms. They were usable, but they didn't feel like high-quality items.

The F430 changed all that, with materials and build quality and FFB that signaled what was to come with the T500, which, to me, made the F430 Force the "grandfather" of the T500, TX, and T300 wheels.

With the T150, it sounds like Thrustmaster is now going to be offering high-quality wheels across the entire price spectrum, including the entry level.

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As someone who already owns a T500, I still find this new model to be very exciting -- might be the ideal wheel to have around as a backup, or to use on a secondary racing rig, without breaking the bank, or sacrificing too much in terms of quality.

 

[GT'S BiG FaN]

The TX Racing Wheel Servo Base is compitable with the Xbox one. But it is 900° and not 1080°.

Way out of my budget

 

[kikie]

Not the same thing. The TX Servo base is just the TX wheel base with out a rim or pedals. This is a less expensive FFB wheel with a gear drive system and a non-detachable wheel. This gets you up and running at $250? and the TX Servo Base will still require $400 to be up and running.

But an Xboxone license will probably make the T150 cost must more than $200/€200, I think.

There is still the Ferrari 458 Spider Racing Whee.

 

[Dopplegagger]

But an Xboxone license will probably make the T150 cost must more than $200/€200, I think.

There is still the Ferrari 458 Spider Racing Whee.

I don't know what the license for Xbone compatibility is or how it would change the cost of a TX150 if Thrustmaster were to make one. Seeing that the T300 didn't release at a lower price than the TX, or that it didn't have it's price lowered yet, leads me to believe that the Playstation License is within spitting distance of the Xbone's license. If Thrustmaster were to make a TX150, I fully expect it to cost the same as the T150.

And the 458 Spider wheel is not a "T" series wheel, so it can't use the shifters or the pedals that the T500RS, T300 and the TX can. It also does not have FFB, and it's limited to 240º of rotation. Thats not a consolidation product. It's more of a cheapskate's penalty in comparison. You apparently know that already.

 

[fatkrakr]

It's more of a cheapskate's penalty in comparison.

 

[kikie]

And the 458 Spider wheel is not a "T" series wheel, so it can't use the shifters or the pedals that the T500RS, T300 and the TX can. It also does not have FFB, and it's limited to 240º of rotation. Thats not a consolidation product. It's more of a cheapskate's penalty in comparison. You apparently know that already.

Yep, hence my smiley.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

WELL GUYS, I STAND CORRECTED!!! IT'S OFFICIAL
THE Thrustmaster T150RS IS $199.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...FIfc2NkyjhFCu34CBr_fsaAu6S8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

T150RS has Force Feedback featuring Immersion TouchSense® technology, rotation angle adjustable from 270° to 1080°, optical position reading with 12-bit resolution (4096 values on the wheel’s steering axis),


T300RS Has Force Feedback H.E.A.R.T HallEffect AccuRate Technology™(*) technology, featuring a contactless magnetic sensor: Rotation angle adjustable from 270° to 1080°
reading with 16-bit resolution, 65,536 values on the wheel’s steering axis),

What does the Bit resolution, and value on wheel's steering axis mean????

@Johnnypenso

 

[G219]

Budget shifter up next for TM??

EDIT: 100% guess/speculation

 

[littleregret265]

WELL GUYS, I STAND CORRECTED!!! IT'S OFFICIAL
THE Thrustmaster T150RS IS $199.99
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T150RS has Force Feedback featuring Immersion TouchSense® technology, rotation angle adjustable from 270° to 1080°, optical position reading with 12-bit resolution (4096 values on the wheel’s steering axis),


T300RS Has Force Feedback H.E.A.R.T HallEffect AccuRate Technology™(*) technology, featuring a contactless magnetic sensor: Rotation angle adjustable from 270° to 1080°
reading with 16-bit resolution, 65,536 values on the wheel’s steering axis),

What does the Bit resolution, and value on wheel's steering axis mean????

@Johnnypenso

The bit resolution basically refers to how many actual positions the wheel can detect from lock to lock. Higher bit resolution means more values. More values means more precise and fine steering control. Hope this helped.