Time Trial Discussion

[v8_pursuit]

My right Disc was out of place and that was causing my pain, and I found out also have arthritis in my lower back but that goes with being to old my friend at 57.

I know the issues of getting older my friend, as I'm myself are 53. In my 20ies many things were easier. But your issue is in fact very painful.

Here in Germany we have a saying that goes translated: "You're as old as how old you feel."
So keep it up mate, you're younger than you think. 👍

 

[8l23ub]

Hi guys, here's my tune for the Tsukuba TT, currently for me a 0:56,005s:

BB - 1
160mm 135mm
2,00 2,65
1 10
52 61
82 91
1,0 2,5
toe out 0,40 toe out 0,10

5
15
25

Final to 4,500
Max speed to min
4,476 / 85 (km/h)
3,194 / 120
2,337 / 164
1,853 / 206
1,562 / 245
1,354 / 283
1,055 / 371
Final to 3,150

Try this

After doing 'stuff' to the car and going down blind alleys for a couple of days, used these suspension and l.s.d. settings and went better instantly, ended on 55.710.
Couldn't get your gear ratios so set the auto to 168mph, final all the way to the right, first six gears all the way left and 7th at around halfway (anywhere that makes the curve OK on the ratios graphic), then adjust final until 7th gear has +160mph on it.

Great share 👍

 

[CBH]

I know the issues of getting older my friend, as I'm myself are 53. In my 20ies many things were easier. But your issue is in fact very painful.

Here in Germany we have a saying that goes translated: "You're as old as how old you feel."
So keep it up mate, you're younger than you think. 👍

I am getting younger now my friend , because I just went a bit faster with a time of 0:55.880 using Auto and a Natural Frequency Front change to 2.50, and that change did help with my other changes to your tune. There is still a little bit room for improvement out there, but not to much.

 

[v8_pursuit]

I am getting younger now my friend , because I just went a bit faster with a time of 0:55.880 using Auto and a Natural Frequency Front change to 2.50, and that change did help with my other changes to your tune. There is still a little bit room for improvement out there, but not to much.

Great time of yours mate.
Don't get too young, cause then I can't catch up your pace.

I tested your changes. I can easyly get lap times like my best so far, same with my setup and changes, but I cannot improve. Couldn't get it together in one lap. Will try again tomorrow.

 

[koshmare]

World records

 

[tankuroded]

Current TTs:

Lancia Stratos Super Lap
Track: Autodrome Lago Maggiore - Center
Car: Lancia Stratos '74 – Garage Car
Tires: Sports Hard
BOP: Apply
Power/Weight Limit: N/A
Settings: Fixed

Gr.3 Super Lap/Tuning Allowed
Track: Nürburgring Nordschleife
Car: Gr.3 – Garage Car
Tires: Racing Hard
BOP: Apply
Power/Weight Limit: N/A
Settings: Adjustable

 

[GTPNewsWire]

This is the discussion thread for a recent post on GTPlanet:

GT Sport Time Trials: Stratos Fear

This article was published by Andrew Evans (@Famine) on February 25th, 2021 in the Gran Turismo Sport category.

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

Ohhh GT3s at Green Hell, the stuff of dreams.

Edit: I'm in the top 10! (for now) Edit 2: aaand 11th, oh well https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/rankings.php?sec=daily&eid=1024838

A funny thing happened... After I was done, I went to check the FIA races and had to sign the contract again... Unfortunately, this means the cars I had from the previous season were gone, replaced by the new (same) cars. Why is this unfortunate? Well, new cars means the setup I had on the AMG is gone...it's literally replaced by a new car.

I was stupid and used the "borrowed" cars to race, instead of the ones I own. Lesson learned... Ouch.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Thanks for all these tips .... i hurt my arm, but in 2/3 days, when he gets better, i will try all this .......
but what do you mean by: "Remember acceleration is where all the lap time is"? ......
thanks in advance ....

Hey mate sorry for the late reply. It means exactly what it says, if you want to reduce your laptime you need to focus on corner exit and getting up to top speed as quickly as possible. This is why you hear often "slow in, fast out". Time gained in acceleration phase is carried all the way down the next straight, which is much longer than the time gained on braking/turning. In the case of hybrids, this means giving up a bit of time on corner entry, but regaining that time (and more) on acceleration when you deploy the battery. Of course if you want to beat the top times, you still have to be fast on braking and turning as well, but for a beginner focus on exits first.

Hi guys, here's my tune for the Tsukuba TT, currently for me a 0:56,005s:

BB - 1
160mm 135mm
2,00 2,65
1 10
52 61
82 91
1,0 2,5
toe out 0,40 toe out 0,10

5
15
25

Final to 4,500
Max speed to min
4,476 / 85 (km/h)
3,194 / 120
2,337 / 164
1,853 / 206
1,562 / 245
1,354 / 283
1,055 / 371
Final to 3,150

Try this

Great tune and times by you and fordlaser this week 👍 I had to dig deep to beat it. Only change I made is LSD 5/60/5. This car at Tsukuba is all about doing the "V" line, so I need max rotation on entry and max traction on exit (also using throttle to tuck the nose in, because the front end gets very light on acceleration).

 

[CBH]

Hey mate sorry for the late reply. It means exactly what it says, if you want to reduce your laptime you need to focus on corner exit and getting up to top speed as quickly as possible. This is why you hear often "slow in, fast out". Time gained in acceleration phase is carried all the way down the next straight, which is much longer than the time gained on braking/turning. In the case of hybrids, this means giving up a bit of time on corner entry, but regaining that time (and more) on acceleration when you deploy the battery. Of course if you want to beat the top times, you still have to be fast on braking and turning as well, but for a beginner focus on exits first.



Great tune and times by you and fordlaser this week 👍 I had to dig deep to beat it. Only change I made is LSD 5/60/5. This car at Tsukuba is all about doing the "V" line, so I need max rotation on entry and max traction on exit (also using throttle to tuck the nose in, because the front end gets very light on acceleration).

0:55.095 for #19th using Auto.

I downloaded your replay for the Lancia Stratos Super Lap and it did help me, and thank you .

 

[Baka_Marimo]

The fixed-setting time trial might actually rank as marginally scarier than going flat-chat in a tuned GT3 at the Nordschleife. It takes place at one of the shortest tracks in the game, with the Lago Maggiore circuit hosting the event at the tiny Center layout. However the car itself is what might cause a rising feeling of dread.

I love the writing on some of Famine's articles After reading that I just had to try it. I usually don't mess with the Time Trials but somehow got obsessed with this one. So much so that I spent over an hour doing 84 laps The most difficult thing about the Stratos is managing the countersteer. There's a very fine line between getting it just right and overcorrecting into oblivion. And the back just wants to step out all the time. Not even the slight turns on the return straight are safe. This results in a lot of potential frustration where even the tiniest mistake will cost you a lot of time. Having said that however I think the track is a rather forgiving one as there's effectively only two sections where you have to slow down and accelerate out of corners - one of them being a single hairpin. Tsukuba would probably have been a lot worse.

In lap 8 I achieved my "first" best time of 55,146. At that point I knew that a sub 55 lap was possible. It would take a lot of dedication though. Still, that is the goal I set out for myself. Over the next 50 laps I got closer and closer to this target. In lap 59 I got as close as you can get - with a 55 flat Everything had been fine until the final corner but of course, that's where I had a slipup. Mad about the wasted opportunity I lost my focus for a bit but decided to just keep going. Finally, in lap 81 (after 75 minutes of nonstop driving) I blitzed my previous record by over a tenth and achieved a 54,872 Going back to the race menu I stared at the screen in disbelief as it was showing my time in the global Top 10! I know that is down to the fact that hardly anybody cares about the time trials but it was a big effort nonetheless. I'm super happy! I'm even thinking about doing more attempts tomorrow as improving my time by just half a hundreth would see me climb another three spots. I'm not deluding myself though, now that I've written this I'll probably be down to #30 when I wake up tomorrow

Anyway, I think PD should make it so you'll gain or lose DR depending on where you are on the leaderboard when the ranking closes. That would probably lead to a rise in participants in the Time Trials.

 

[CBH]

Delete.

 

[CBH]

I love the writing on some of Famine's articles After reading that I just had to try it. I usually don't mess with the Time Trials but somehow got obsessed with this one. So much so that I spent over an hour doing 84 laps The most difficult thing about the Stratos is managing the countersteer. There's a very fine line between getting it just right and overcorrecting into oblivion. And the back just wants to step out all the time. Not even the slight turns on the return straight are safe. This results in a lot of potential frustration where even the tiniest mistake will cost you a lot of time. Having said that however I think the track is a rather forgiving one as there's effectively only two sections where you have to slow down and accelerate out of corners - one of them being a single hairpin. Tsukuba would probably have been a lot worse.

In lap 8 I achieved my "first" best time of 55,146. At that point I knew that a sub 55 lap was possible. It would take a lot of dedication though. Still, that is the goal I set out for myself. Over the next 50 laps I got closer and closer to this target. In lap 59 I got as close as you can get - with a 55 flat Everything had been fine until the final corner but of course, that's where I had a slipup. Mad about the wasted opportunity I lost my focus for a bit but decided to just keep going. Finally, in lap 81 (after 75 minutes of nonstop driving) I blitzed my previous record by over a tenth and achieved a 54,872 Going back to the race menu I stared at the screen in disbelief as it was showing my time in the global Top 10! I know that is down to the fact that hardly anybody cares about the time trials but it was a big effort nonetheless. I'm super happy! I'm even thinking about doing more attempts tomorrow as improving my time by just half a hundreth would see me climb another three spots. I'm not deluding myself though, now that I've written this I'll probably be down to #30 when I wake up tomorrow

Anyway, I think PD should make it so you'll gain or lose DR depending on where you are on the leaderboard when the ranking closes. That would probably lead to a rise in participants in the Time Trials.

Why do you think PD should make it so you'll gain or lose DR depending on where you are on the leaderboard ?.

 

[Dalone]

One of my favourite tracks, Nurburgring.
Currently #313 in the V12 Vantage.

 

[Baka_Marimo]

Why do you think PD should make it so you'll gain or lose DR depending on where you are on the leaderboard ?.

Because then there would be a lasting incentive for posting a really good laptime. All you get right now is a position on a leaderboard that eventually gets wiped anyway. The impact on your DR would be based on driving skills alone and completely eliminate the factor of (bad) luck. Whether you gain or lose DR would be entirely on you. Because no matter how good you are, when racing other players you can get caught up in an incident at no fault of your own and - due to the way DR is calculated - lose a ton of it in the process. Plus again, if there's a chance it will boost the number of players taking part in these I'm all for it. I mean let's face it, I am in rank 10 despite being over half a second slower than the guy at the top. On a track this short I shouldn't even be breathing the same air as him

Although I can see that the risk of losing DR would also shoo some players away I think this is outweighed by the upsides. Of course the core of the problem is rooted in the DR system itself and people have been voicing their frustration over it for a long time. They're even actively avoiding using their main accounts for daily races in order to preserve their ratings. I think that giving these players a chance to work on their DR without other players interfering is an idea worth considering.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Because then there would be a lasting incentive for posting a really good laptime. All you get right now is a position on a leaderboard that eventually gets wiped anyway. The impact on your DR would be based on driving skills alone and completely eliminate the factor of (bad) luck. Whether you gain or lose DR would be entirely on you. Because no matter how good you are, when racing other players you can get caught up in an incident at no fault of your own and - due to the way DR is calculated - lose a ton of it in the process. Plus again, if there's a chance it will boost the number of players taking part in these I'm all for it. I mean let's face it, I am in rank 10 despite being over half a second slower than the guy at the top. On a track this short I shouldn't even be breathing the same air as him

Although I can see that the risk of losing DR would also shoo some players away I think this is outweighed by the upsides. Of course the core of the problem is rooted in the DR system itself and people have been voicing their frustration over it for a long time. They're even actively avoiding using their main accounts for daily races in order to preserve their ratings. I think that giving these players a chance to work on their DR without other players interfering is an idea worth considering.

I am seeing your point and do agree. Time Trials add to the online game (I believe it does) so it would only make sense that there should be some benefit to running these events. Maybe a new additional rating just for TT events?

 

[CBH]

Because then there would be a lasting incentive for posting a really good laptime. All you get right now is a position on a leaderboard that eventually gets wiped anyway. The impact on your DR would be based on driving skills alone and completely eliminate the factor of (bad) luck. Whether you gain or lose DR would be entirely on you. Because no matter how good you are, when racing other players you can get caught up in an incident at no fault of your own and - due to the way DR is calculated - lose a ton of it in the process. Plus again, if there's a chance it will boost the number of players taking part in these I'm all for it. I mean let's face it, I am in rank 10 despite being over half a second slower than the guy at the top. On a track this short I shouldn't even be breathing the same air as him

Although I can see that the risk of losing DR would also shoo some players away I think this is outweighed by the upsides. Of course the core of the problem is rooted in the DR system itself and people have been voicing their frustration over it for a long time. They're even actively avoiding using their main accounts for daily races in order to preserve their ratings. I think that giving these players a chance to work on their DR without other players interfering is an idea worth considering.

I do agree what you are saying because Daily Races have a lot of incidents and can destroy your good work, and like you said at no fault of your own.
The last time I played in any Daily Races was in the early 2018, when I got push of the track for no reason so I never been since that date. Time Trials are where the skill is and not the daily races.

 

[v8_pursuit]

I am getting younger now my friend , because I just went a bit faster with a time of 0:55.880 using Auto and a Natural Frequency Front change to 2.50, and that change did help with my other changes to your tune. There is still a little bit room for improvement out there, but not to much.

Brilliant time in the Lancia Stratos TT mate.
If you get any faster, you will be an infant.
I cannot get there even close. What did you smoke or drink? I will have some of this too.
Though I had my focus on the Nürburgring TT, I will try to get closer there.

Great tune and times by you and fordlaser this week 👍 I had to dig deep to beat it. Only change I made is LSD 5/60/5. This car at Tsukuba is all about doing the "V" line, so I need max rotation on entry and max traction on exit (also using throttle to tuck the nose in, because the front end gets very light on acceleration).

Thanks my friend. It's always a big challenge for me to come even close to your time.

 

[CBH]

Brilliant time in the Lancia Stratos TT mate.
If you get any faster, you will be an infant.
I cannot get there even close. What did you smoke or drink? I will have some of this too.
Though I had my focus on the Nürburgring TT, I will try to get closer there.

No drugs, smoke or drinks my friend, just good old dark chocolate which I love and suck when I drive .
Research suggests that Dark Chocolate may improve brain function, and it did help me for this Time Trial mate because I ate a lot that day .

 

[Rubrbrnr]

I’ve just jumped back into GT recently and love the current green hell TT, but my current crap setup on the Aston DB9 is costing me massive time. Any help or links for a tuning newb would be much appreciated

 

[Roweer1]

I’ve just jumped back into GT recently and love the current green hell TT, but my current crap setup on the Aston DB9 is costing me massive time. Any help or links for a tuning newb would be much appreciated

I’m using this one for a 6.34.203 within a 2-hour session with the DS4. It was made without BOP, so I made a sloppy gearing for it myself.


@fordlaser Congrats on a brilliant lap in the Stratos I might have to treat myself to a Chocolate Stout for my next run. ...-But that’s as far as i’ll go

 

[CBH]

@fordlaser Congrats on a brilliant lap in the Stratos I might have to treat myself to a Chocolate Stout for my next run. ...-But that’s as far as i’ll go

Thanks mate .

 

[lfm58]

For DS4 AT friends...
@xtrax rabbit helped a lot
BB -2
No chocolate yet..

All the best

 

[xtrax]

For DS4 AT friends...
@xtrax rabbit helped a lot
BB -2
No chocolate yet..

All the best

View attachment 995252

Well done 👍 I also set bb to -2.

 

[CBH]

For DS4 AT friends...
@xtrax rabbit helped a lot
BB -2
No chocolate yet..

All the best

View attachment 995252

More Dark chocolate and BB-2 sounds good for me my friend, and good lap time .

 

[CBH]

Getting closer @lfm58 to your time and I just got to nail turn 1 & 2 a bit better, BB-2 not working for me but BB-4 looks good for me 👍.

 

[Famine]

I love the writing on some of Famine's articles

 

[LeGeNd-1]

0:55.095 for #19th using Auto.

I downloaded your replay for the Lancia Stratos Super Lap and it did help me, and thank you .

No worries, happy it's helpful.

I got confused there for a sec because I was talking about the previous 911 TT, and it also has laptimes in the 55 second range as the Lancia

Because then there would be a lasting incentive for posting a really good laptime. All you get right now is a position on a leaderboard that eventually gets wiped anyway. The impact on your DR would be based on driving skills alone and completely eliminate the factor of (bad) luck. Whether you gain or lose DR would be entirely on you. Because no matter how good you are, when racing other players you can get caught up in an incident at no fault of your own and - due to the way DR is calculated - lose a ton of it in the process. Plus again, if there's a chance it will boost the number of players taking part in these I'm all for it. I mean let's face it, I am in rank 10 despite being over half a second slower than the guy at the top. On a track this short I shouldn't even be breathing the same air as him

Although I can see that the risk of losing DR would also shoo some players away I think this is outweighed by the upsides. Of course the core of the problem is rooted in the DR system itself and people have been voicing their frustration over it for a long time. They're even actively avoiding using their main accounts for daily races in order to preserve their ratings. I think that giving these players a chance to work on their DR without other players interfering is an idea worth considering.

I don't think TT affecting DR is a good thing. Lots of people are fast at hotlapping but hopeless in a race situation with other cars around them. Speed and racecraft are two entirely different things and people can be good at just one, or both, or none. If you spend 2 weeks driving the same car/track, you'd place much higher in the rankings against someone who only does 2 laps but is actually a better driver innately.

DR should just be a measure of how good your racing is, so you get matched with people of similar ability over race distance. If TT affects DR it will be easy farming for people to get into top splits and potentially cause chaos there.

If you go to kudosprime, your K' score is basically your TT "DR" (albeit only based on daily races)

 

[Dalone]

Still only doing the Nurburgring race, have changed to the DBR9 GT1 10 from the V12 Vantage.

Now at 6:37.357 for #229.

Tried copying a Praiano tune (not for the DBR9) however couldn't manage to copy his gearbox settings. Then I found the tune (Japanese I think) which Roweer1 has posted, but again it isn't 100% as it is designed for a far more powerful car running Super soft tyres.

Still, it is helping me improve. The gearbox (again) is the problem and I have played around with it without really knowing what I am doing.
No matter, I can still get ahead of my ghost sometimes.

Surprised so few are doing this race here.

 

[seadog777]

Surprised so few are doing this race here.

I'm not! Still 2 seconds away from gold on this track in Circuit Experience! Love it but can't drive it!