Time Trial Discussion

[P-Courty]

I've decided to not respond to this unfair message where 2 honourable French Alien players are named.
(no, this is not a response. At all)

I think your autocorrect must have kicked in, corrected it for you 👍🏻🤣

(p.s. I guess that's what they tell you to say before they send you back down to Earth 👽)

 

[snc]

 

[half_sourly]

Results for TT94 are on the other thread. I'm snowed under at work so no interim updates this week and I'll get the post 2 scoreboards done later.

 

[TumeK5]

There we go...one terrible gold, by just 0.03

Spoiler: Last time...

 

[Pesselles]

I think your autocorrect must have kicked in, corrected it for you 👍🏻🤣

(p.s. I guess that's what they tell you to say before they send you back down to Earth 👽)

Dear @P-Courty,

⏁⊑⟟⌇ ⋔⎍⌇⏁ ⌇⏁⍜⌿.
⍙⟒ ⏃⍀⟒ ⎎⍀⟒⋏☊⊑, ⊑⍜⋏⍜⎍⍀⏃⏚⌰⟒, ⏃⋏⎅ ⎅⍜⋏'⏁ ⏃☊☊⟒⌿⏁ ⏁⊑⟒⌇⟒ ☊⍜⋏⌇⏁⏃⋏⏁ ⎐⟒⍀⏚⏃⌰ ⏃☌⍀⟒⌇⌇⟟⍜⋏⌇!

Thanks for your understanding.
Worst regards
D

 

[P-Courty]

Dear @P-Courty,

⏁⊑⟟⌇ ⋔⎍⌇⏁ ⌇⏁⍜⌿.
⍙⟒ ⏃⍀⟒ ⎎⍀⟒⋏☊⊑, ⊑⍜⋏⍜⎍⍀⏃⏚⌰⟒, ⏃⋏⎅ ⎅⍜⋏'⏁ ⏃☊☊⟒⌿⏁ ⏁⊑⟒⌇⟒ ☊⍜⋏⌇⏁⏃⋏⏁ ⎐⟒⍀⏚⏃⌰ ⏃☌⍀⟒⌇⌇⟟⍜⋏⌇!

Thanks for your understanding.
Worst regards
D

FYI, for any humans left on here, this is the translation 😂

Spoiler

Dear @P-Courty,

this must stop.
we are french, honourable, and don't accept these constant verbal agressions!

Thanks for your understanding.
Worst regards
D

 

[KK78]

I was pleased and surprised this morning that my Gold held on HSR by a mere tenth

It's funny how that took about 15 laps and meanwhile over 70 laps in at Laguna Seca..... still in silver

My problem is I can't leave it, it's there gnawing away in my head, I'll be back. Had a whizz around Spa in the Honda, love this car, and built a Tamiya replica recently of it. Even though I set a bronze lap I'm more confident of getting decent gains with more laps.

 

[Nicko]

Recently took delivery of the AXC-Sim TrueBrake mod for my G29, so far so good. Currently 18th in the new Gr.2 at Suzuka with a 48.4, definitely feels like an improvement in terms of consistency and leads to some quicker laps. Anyone who may still be on the older Logitech wheels like me and looking for some braking improvement, give the TrueBrake a go! 👍

 

[Pesselles]

FYI, for any humans left on here, this is the translation 😂

I want a standing ovation for @P-Courty (even if he lives on the wrong side of the French channel)

 

[NAXEHT]

My time for GT atm is barely existent, didn't even try the Barthurst TT yet, but after I saw one of my favorite tracks and classes in Suzuka and Group 2 (I'm probably one of very very few people here) I had to try some laps before work.

Didn't expect to be in the yellow range after only 2 laps which tells me that I hit my peak even earlier then usual or that there is still some time for me to gain.

Hopefully I have some time on the weekend because i really enjoy this combo.

Happy laping folks

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One of very few people here who like Gr.2? Whaat? No way, man. I think those cars are lovely to drive, the only critique here is that the particular combo is a repeat.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Aright my first online TT gold.

I didn't think it was gonna hold.

 

[TumeK5]

Aright my first online TT gold.

I didn't think it was gonna hold.

Either they A) gave up, because the combo is boring and dull, or B) no more time was to be found, at least not a significant amount.

I was pretty confident they wouldn't try anymore, so I got away with my time.

 

[Barareklam]

CRV, P1 on Honda challenge answering how much time he put into reaching this lap time, he is P1

 

[Barareklam]

Another interesting detail from CRV, he is adjusting brake balance during the lap, check his video.

 

[ZevZoq]

Another interesting detail from CRV, he is adjusting brake balance during the lap, check his video.

Oh brother! Such a try-hard...

 

[Uday9479]

Wow.......the NSX Concept GT '16 car + RM tyres is magic. So much so that I'm enjoying driving around Suzuka - a track that I've never loved. Driving through the esses is like a dream. This car's handling, suspension & grip would make it an ideal choice for any track even with closed up walls like Tokyo.

Just ran a few laps now to post a best of 1:51:712 that's good for Silver. This is one TT I'm looking forward to just because of the amazing car + tyre combo.

 

[SPL170db]

On the cusp with a 1:50.720 in the GT-R '16 after a handful of laps. There's more in it and I'll play around with some other cars too. I'm sure I'll need it as this time I'm sure won't be safe.

 

[Jeje6410]

First test in Suzuka Circuit and get gold for the moment at 1'50'648 with optimal time at 1'50'552

 

[250Cal]

Got couple of hundreds closer to 1.20.xxx with AMG. Almost there. On the other hand, couple of not that good laps on Suzuka and already almost gold. What a nightmare this AMG TT. By far the hardest I've done.

I feel you. Half a dozen laps on Suzuka for a low 1:50.

Went back to Laguna Seca. Did a few sessions, no improvement. Last session, thought I'd absolutely nailed the lap:

1:21.9

FFS. I'm floundering.

 

[SPL170db]

OK, a little safer in the NSX now after another handful of laps. This one is pretty fun I'd say.

 

[Pesselles]

Welcome back to Suzuka!

I came with a nice and smiling friend of mine:

Ok after some laps, I'm already 1 sec from the yellow territory (based on the current WR): 1:51.645

S1: 30.6xx to 31.0xx
S2: 18.6xx to 19.0xx
S3: 41.5xx to.... I'm losing tons of tenths because of the Spoon
S4: 20.4xx

The NSX have a total grip and it's hard to find its limits in some curbs (1st and 3rd sector).
I'll work on that damn 3rd sector to lose some extra tenths.

Can our Chief Data Scientist @half_sourly remind me my previous score on Sukuka with the NSX, please?

 

[Gorefast]

Another interesting detail from CRV, he is adjusting brake balance during the lap, check his video.

Wow, the Schumacher-move! I am pretty sure there are a dozen of other details that are more obvious to make me faster... Respekt for that serious approach!

 

[Vule]

CRV, P1 on Honda challenge answering how much time he put into reaching this lap time, he is P1

Ok, now I won't feel bad when I can't get to top 50 and I invest 3 hours in total

 

[half_sourly]

Can our Chief Data Scientist @half_sourly remind me my previous score on Sukuka with the NSX, please?

I'll do one better and teach you to fish. If you go to the latest TT results and download the Excel file, on the second tab you'll see full results for everyone currently on our scoreboards for all standard TTs. Then find the TT number you are interested in; one way it to use the index I have made in this post. So in this case that is TT40. So you were in position 26,567. Since you were at that time already a community scoreboard member, you can go to the results post for TT40 (link from the index) and you'll see your time was 1:52.643. Or you could find that TT on this page and select page 266.

 

[Niko-H]

Happy the 917 TT is in the record books now. I know there was a "perfect lap" in the gold zone out there, but I couldn't find it. That car's magnetic attraction to the barriers (I can't even call it understeer) also became tiring.

Historically, if I was down around 5,000 that would usually be indicative of a combo where you could use driver aids to get a decent lap (whereas in most cases CSA and stability control actually slow you down). With the new physics, I'm not so sure and I think it's something I'm doing, or not (DS4 on PS4).

I'm on a 1:21.6xx, which is 5,000+. When I load up a top ten ghost, they're just faster everywhere. Later braking, higher apex speeds, faster off the turn. Normally I can see some obvious issues but I'm scratching my head just now. Their cars turn in a way I've yet to figure out how to replicate, I can't even follow the line at a slower speed. Previously, I'd have seen that in a high downforce car, but not in Gr.3.

Whether it's a tyre temp thing (I think controller steering input on stick scrubs the tyres because you don't get a nice smooth consistent steering input, effectively literally over steering the car, which maybe overheats the tyres with new physics but the game is weird insofar as it makes a critical component of the physics i.e. temps invisible to players), I'm not sure. The usual shortcoming with change of direction on controller is evident at the corkscrew but that's probably only a few tenths.

I'm dropping over a second in both sector 2 and 3 and I can't figure out how to find the grip. Lifting off the gas doesn't bring the front end back and running in on a trailing throttle isn't sufficient to get the front end to bite. Accelerating just leads to running wide at the exit. When you look at what sector 3 actually involves i.e. the quick left, banked right and final tight left, losing over a second through there is nuts and indicative of an issue.

I'm in a similar situation, really scratching my head with this one, I've done so many laps but a 1:22.500 feels the same as my 1:21.899, I just can't identify where the speed is, what I'm missing and why I'm doing the same corners over and over but rarely in a way that feels familiar or progressive I think you could be right about tyre temps, the consistency of car behaviour seems weird to me

I'm not the best driver, but I can usually get golds 9 times out of 10 with much less effort than this one is taking.

Really interesting thoughts here. I've had the same experience. My first lap felt decent...until I crossed the finish line and saw it was a 1:26. I did a few more laps but became so aggravated that I rage shut off the PS5 and did something else. Came back later and got into the low 1:24's, which I am still not happy with.
For most TTs, I start at a "high bronze" and can get my way into the "low silver" range. For this one, I started at a "low bronze" and I'm not sure I'll get close to any silver.

My sector 1 and 3 are OK. It's sector 2 where I'm garbage. I get that my trail braking is always a work in progress - but it feels like nailing this track means nailing narrow windows for your braking, turn-in, and acceleration points. Otherwise, you're running wide or killing your momentum down the following straight.

Perhaps it's just as simple as this combination emphasizing the reflexes and other alien-like qualities more than most TTs. Similar to the X2019 TTs. It's no surprise that Kylian and Kaj are #1 and #2 - they are both ridiculously fast in the X2019, right?

 

[Pesselles]

I'll do one better and teach you to fish. If you go to the latest TT results and download the Excel file, on the second tab you'll see full results for everyone currently on our scoreboards for all standard TTs. Then find the TT number you are interested in; one way it to use the index I have made in this post. So in this case that is TT40. So you were in position 26,567. Since you were at that time already a community scoreboard member, you can go to the results post for TT40 (link from the index) and you'll see your time was 1:52.643. Or you could find that TT on this page and select page 266.

Perfect and smart move: now, I know how
Merci a lot, your data are just priceless!!

17/08/2023: I've finished 1:52.643
22/08/2024: I start at 1:51.645

 

[KK78]

Happy the 917 TT is in the record books now. I know there was a "perfect lap" in the gold zone out there, but I couldn't find it. That car's magnetic attraction to the barriers (I can't even call it understeer) also became tiring.



Really interesting thoughts here. I've had the same experience. My first lap felt decent...until I crossed the finish line and saw it was a 1:26. I did a few more laps but became so aggravated that I rage shut off the PS5 and did something else. Came back later and got into the low 1:24's, which I am still not happy with.
For most TTs, I start at a "high bronze" and can get my way into the "low silver" range. For this one, I started at a "low bronze" and I'm not sure I'll get close to any silver.

My sector 1 and 3 are OK. It's sector 2 where I'm garbage. I get that my trail braking is always a work in progress - but it feels like nailing this track means nailing narrow windows for your braking, turn-in, and acceleration points. Otherwise, you're running wide or killing your momentum down the following straight.

Perhaps it's just as simple as this combination emphasizing the reflexes and other alien-like qualities more than most TTs. Similar to the X2019 TTs. It's no surprise that Kylian and Kaj are #1 and #2 - they are both ridiculously fast in the X2019, right?

I think you are exactly right, I watched @Tidgney video guide over and over and finally realised why he's 2 seconds ahead by turn 4, the quick guys are maximising corner entry (as near to the sausages as possible) then nailing it out of the corner maximising the width of track each time, I've been incapable of doing that consistently lap after lap so far.

This all sounds obvious, but the challenge for someone like me is that the car seems to have a split personality depending on exactly where you are on the track and at what speed/angle so I end up spending too much time off the gas in corners because I'm fearful of the sand on the outside or those ridiculous sausages (I mean really, why are they so high??) by which time I've missed the optimal angle and the ghost I'm following is already away in the distance and yet my lap still feels ok and reasonably fast.

In short, for me at least, it is all about corner exits, and carrying as much speed as possible throughout for that reason I upped my steering sensitivity to 10 which does make it more twitchy but seems far more precise.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Took the 'Aston Martin Vantage DTM 2019' out for a run this morning. It's not like they've never worked with Honda before.. So this car is plausibly in the game 🤔.

Optimal shows another 0.2 of wiggle room for me here, which is a really good start to a TT week for me. Usually I'm 0.5 - 0.7 off my optimal on my first go-around. PD have been dishing out some fun TTs lately and I'm glad to see the fun combos continue 👍🏻. Will have to watch some videos to see where I can improve.

 

[330_D]

Great mate, hopefully your time will hold. I'm dreading it this weekend, but I've got to be brave and just roll through it. My goal is a high silver. I'm not confident about gold yet as I did not gold the lap attack on the Circuit Experience yet. So, how do you feel about Suzuka (Gr. 2) challenge coming up? We've had this combo before, I'm not looking forward to some of the sections of the track, but sigh. Oh well, it is what it is!

I haven't driven any GR2 cars since the update but I used to be ok with em. Suzuka isn't a favorite of mine. Likely I'll just gold it enough and be out.

 

[Pesselles]

As I'm a proficient scientist, let's do some maths.

Because it's a smart and satisfying process to search by yourself to understand how to progress, I've compared my first times at Sukuka with #TheKie25 video shared earlier. This comparison has no other objective to highlight where I must work the most to gain more than a 1 sec on my current PB (1:51.645).

	TheKie	Me (best sectors so far)
S1	30:021	30:6xx
S2	18:084	18:8xx
S3	40:316	41:5xx
S4	19:712	20:4xx

If I accept a 0.5 sec gap per sector with TheKie25 (as I'm only human), this would give me a theorical low 1:50.
Need to improve S2 (-0.3), S4 (-0.2) but and as suspected, I must work much harder on S3 (-0.7).
Back to work!

Happy lapping everyone,
Bruce B.


PS: don't pi*s*s* me off, please