Time Trial Discussion
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330_D
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Thank you sir. Nice time for you as well! I absolutely love the physics. My wheel feels absolutely fantastic. Understeer and oversteer are so much easier to feel and to contain and the wheel is just more responsive I feel like. I know not everyone feels this way and some people are mighty mad about the update. I like it so much I bought a shifter and handbrake for my rig yesterday so I can be a real rally driver!! 😬
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- SR_Vule
Well, this is what I intended to do, even surpassed the best invalidated 2:03.7xx from yesterday, so I could and should be happy, but I'm far from it.
But still a good time nontheless, if I could hook it up without these three mistakes, that would be a nice low 2:03, unfortunately I can't, every single lap leading to this one had some kind of wall brushing at some point, I just don't have the energy to repeat so many times.
- Messed up the second corner exit and lost half a tenth
- Missed the apex by a mile at the fast left hander right before the third sector ends (don't know the corner number)
- Very late braking into the last corner, missed the sweet spot for about 10 meters and compromised the entrance
But still a good time nontheless, if I could hook it up without these three mistakes, that would be a nice low 2:03, unfortunately I can't, every single lap leading to this one had some kind of wall brushing at some point, I just don't have the energy to repeat so many times.
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- tnfedexman
I'm sitting good. My usual 8.xx percent on both. I usually only put in two to three laps of effort so the extra 250K is all I deserve anyway. The top 1 percenters make it kind of hard to try harder. I'm not on that level.
Dragonwhisky
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Could look at it this way. For that effort it's 1-1.5 mil an hour.
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And I do, it's just not repeatable. It does feel good when I get 8.xx after 2 or more laps in red or 10.xx plus. So I'm back every week hoping to hit 4.99 or better.
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- cipater78
If you can somewhat regularly get a solid bronze after just 2-3 laps, I think it's very likely that you can reach at least silver if you invest some more time. Especially if you do things like follow a fast ghost, watch a YouTube guide etc., like the maniacs in this thread do. There's so much potential in a lap that isn't initially obvious
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Stuff like that is entirely subjective. I'll have a gold in one lap, let alone a silver.
Everyone works and learns at their own pace, and is willing to put however much effort they wish into improving overall or improving their specific times. How much you put in is entirely up to you.
Dragonwhisky
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I typically run a TT for 20-30 minutes and no more. Usually knock down a silver time with that. If @half_sourly has a spare cycle or two and can post up my data page, I'd might could tell which ones I bronzed and when they happened. Mostly get silvers and I've had a handful of golds with that amount of time invested. If I get within a sniff or two of a gold time I might decide to run another 20-30 minute session. Time invested for me has to equal or better the Tokyo 600 grind race of 1-1.6mil an hour. There have been one or two TTs that I was having fun with and spent more than an hour on. Fun Factor>income rate with those though.Probably. I'm content with just a few laps a week to add to that days marathon for a three star 10K prize.
So what's a silver take? 10 laps, 20 laps? You get more laps than that and I'm tossing a controller at something solid at a high rate of speed. That's $65 I don't want to spend.
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- bciartd
Finally golded both new TTs.
Well, barely scratched the current gold threshold. That's usually always the case, but this time it took me significantly more time and effort.
Having done that, let me share some thoughts on a new physics model.
I am not an expert driver in any way, and it's hard for me to exactly pinpoint the effects of different tune settings in suspension. Let alone the changes in the underlying simulation model. So I'll just share my intuitive feel for this.
Sorry, rant on.
Playing on a controller it took me several months to develop some kind of sense how different cars behave and where the limits of their handling are. I could predict the right amount of throttle to exit without understeering off the track, approximate breaking zones and turn timings to keep the grip just enough to hit the apex.
With the new update, all of that is gone overnight.
"Floaty" might be an understatement of the year here.
I no longer feel that I'm driving top-tier machines built for speed and precision - no, just some shapeless blobs of goo that approximately understand where I'm trying to direct them. And sometimes follow my instructions. Just so it happens that these blobs have a visual image of cars.
Having read your comments that wheel users experience that to a much lesser extent - glad for them, but the rest of us mortals can just fk off I guess?
Sorry, rant off.
The new physics feel much less deterministic than before. I just can't predict the car's behaviour in the next corner, it feels slightly random each time.
Anyway, that will take quite some time to rebuild my muscle memory and develop the handling intuition anew.
While trying the Eiger TT I was watching very closely the top available ghost in those slow downhill hairpins riding in front of me and I just don't understand how to replicate those turns on a controller. Either I'm overusing the handbrake and lose lots of speed, or I just understeer into the wall. Another option is to slightly drift around the corner, but that also means loosing speed.
Also, where are the track limits on the long speedy left corner (the first one in the last sector)?
I can just lean into the grass, pretty much wall riding at this point. Grass also helps to turn left there.
The top times might drop even further this week as everyine is re-learning to some extent. Especially in Tokio with an ongoing battle between top 3 drivers.
So I'll definetely put more hours to this.
Happy lapping!
Well, barely scratched the current gold threshold. That's usually always the case, but this time it took me significantly more time and effort.
Having done that, let me share some thoughts on a new physics model.
I am not an expert driver in any way, and it's hard for me to exactly pinpoint the effects of different tune settings in suspension. Let alone the changes in the underlying simulation model. So I'll just share my intuitive feel for this.
Sorry, rant on.
Playing on a controller it took me several months to develop some kind of sense how different cars behave and where the limits of their handling are. I could predict the right amount of throttle to exit without understeering off the track, approximate breaking zones and turn timings to keep the grip just enough to hit the apex.
With the new update, all of that is gone overnight.
"Floaty" might be an understatement of the year here.
I no longer feel that I'm driving top-tier machines built for speed and precision - no, just some shapeless blobs of goo that approximately understand where I'm trying to direct them. And sometimes follow my instructions. Just so it happens that these blobs have a visual image of cars.
- High speed corner in a race car - how about some understeer right across the track into the opposite wall?
- Slow speed corner - how about this time I choose not to turn at all?
- Oh, your left stick is smacked into the leftmost position? All right then, I'll slightly turn left just so you get off me.
Having read your comments that wheel users experience that to a much lesser extent - glad for them, but the rest of us mortals can just fk off I guess?
Sorry, rant off.
The new physics feel much less deterministic than before. I just can't predict the car's behaviour in the next corner, it feels slightly random each time.
Anyway, that will take quite some time to rebuild my muscle memory and develop the handling intuition anew.
While trying the Eiger TT I was watching very closely the top available ghost in those slow downhill hairpins riding in front of me and I just don't understand how to replicate those turns on a controller. Either I'm overusing the handbrake and lose lots of speed, or I just understeer into the wall. Another option is to slightly drift around the corner, but that also means loosing speed.
Also, where are the track limits on the long speedy left corner (the first one in the last sector)?
I can just lean into the grass, pretty much wall riding at this point. Grass also helps to turn left there.
The top times might drop even further this week as everyine is re-learning to some extent. Especially in Tokio with an ongoing battle between top 3 drivers.
So I'll definetely put more hours to this.
Happy lapping!
Dragonwhisky
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Admittedly, I have a lot of laps at Tokyo. I mean, a lot. Was a bit surprised to get a tad over .4 into gold in my 12 lap session. We'll see if it holds up. I could probably shave those .4 off and get into the 2:04 club if I did a couple more sessions. Don't really see a point to it with the fantastically disappointing 3 star ticket the effort gave me.
If it wasn't over 600PP on SMs I'd take it to my grind race the next time I decide to do it. Not into this whole detuning cars thing to get them in. Ain't slappin' CS on this thing either to get into that race.
New physics and FFB parameters and my G29 and I seem to be getting along just fine, at least with this combo. Will try the Eiger TT next week sometime.
Something strange. Does time driven in TTs not count towards total time driven? That 56.x miles didn't take nothing. My total time driven didn't change from yesterday.
If it wasn't over 600PP on SMs I'd take it to my grind race the next time I decide to do it. Not into this whole detuning cars thing to get them in. Ain't slappin' CS on this thing either to get into that race.
New physics and FFB parameters and my G29 and I seem to be getting along just fine, at least with this combo. Will try the Eiger TT next week sometime.
Something strange. Does time driven in TTs not count towards total time driven? That 56.x miles didn't take nothing. My total time driven didn't change from yesterday.
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- DolphDrago
I would've had a sub 2:04 if not for that quick left/right under the bridge. I got offline in the sweepers preceding it which compromised my line into it horribly. I had multiple 1:11.3 and 11.4 sector 3 splits where I would mess up the rest of the lap, and even a 11.1 out of nowhere which I preceded to invalidate by brushing the wall by a pixel coming out of the sector 4 left hander. 
The walls are absolutely infuriating.
The walls are absolutely infuriating.
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- HEEFFY82
I'm back.
Need help with getting your head around the Ferrari and WRX TT?
Check this out then tigerz. C U on the Flipside
Need help with getting your head around the Ferrari and WRX TT?
Check this out then tigerz. C U on the Flipside
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Had a quick session again in the Ferrari late this evening… getting the hang of it and found 1.5secs to squeak into Gold. There’s another half a second at least so hope to grab another go tomorrow before the deadline
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- GT_reddevil321
I love the fact that for the Impreza Rally Car TT currently, the gold time ends in .555 (unintended homage to the 555 livery of the Impreza Rally Car)…
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- Highlanderlast
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- Troglodette
Hi guys (and Greek),
Still working at Tokyo to shave the last tenths to enter the gold mine.
The optimals are all pointing in a promissing direction, and as already said, it's only a matter of work, of patience, and time!
The most important is to never give up when playing on TTs because you can always improve your score.
I've saved 0.128 on my previous PB:
Think positive because it could be worse: 2:05.864....
Still working at Tokyo to shave the last tenths to enter the gold mine.
The optimals are all pointing in a promissing direction, and as already said, it's only a matter of work, of patience, and time!
The most important is to never give up when playing on TTs because you can always improve your score.
I've saved 0.128 on my previous PB:
Think positive because it could be worse: 2:05.864....
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- cipater78
@Pesselles please do me the favour and improve to 2:05.864 today before you reach 2:05.863 tomorrow so that I can verify that my plugin works for these edge cases, as we geeks say 😜
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I have a 17.780 on S1, I wish I could give it to you 😁Hi guys (and Greek),
Still working at Tokyo to shave the last tenths to enter the gold mine.
The optimals are all pointing in a promissing direction, and as already said, it's only a matter of work, of patience, and time!
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Think positive because it could be worse: 2:05.864....
Is it just me or is the 430 Scuderia impossible to shift gears up unless you are applying throttle? Even at a standarill.
It's throwing off my gear-shifting mid-corner style.
I don't think I've ever seen this happen on any other car, is it at least realistic to this car in real life?
It's throwing off my gear-shifting mid-corner style.
I don't think I've ever seen this happen on any other car, is it at least realistic to this car in real life?
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Before you give up on Eiger Nordwand, check my video in hope it can give you some clues.I give up (
Upper half my lap, lower half fastest saved ghost, think P2 currently. I deliberately slow down video speed to 0.5* on first few corners, they are most difficult so slower video speed helps you to see what and where to do. Also, I freeze video of P2 on two places in order for my car to "catch up" 😊
Hope it helps.
And of course if anyone else can give advices how my upper lap can be more like P2 lap, welcome, come with advices 😊
