Time Trial Discussion

[Lomic]

Been doing Nations the past week but got a fancy new chair this weekend so did the Brands TT to test old vs new...

New stint at lunchbreak at Daytona. Did not entered the 46s, was close...

Only improvement was medium time. Other than that... I was very careful to distribute best sectors between each lap equally, no jealous here ! Anyway optimal was barely in the 46.5s

Best lap was a 47.0 but I managed to find a new place to invalidate it, otherwise it is boring.

Tried to avoid any 48s, but one .007 managed to slip in, faqing spy !

110 laps in...

Spoiler

 

[NevilleNobody]

You're stuck where i am at 47.1, very annoying.

 

[Lomic]

You're stuck where i am at 47.1, very annoying.

not exactly as I managed a miracle 46.3 and since have been able to poke my head into the 46s. But I would like to exit the 47s to stay in the 46s and never see again a 48 😅

 

[NicoGmbh]

Hello everyone,

As I said last week, bringing together the perfect sectors in one round remains a high challenge for me.

In my last session at Daytona, I had an optimal at . 44.800 but I was stuck on the other side of that wall with PB. 45.341.

Despite the pitfalls of this track, I had set myself to achieve this goal for this TT (also because I found @eggmann a little too close to my rear bumper).

It was hard work. I couldn’t even get an optimal equivalent to my PB 🤦‍♂️

During this time, I saw that @skydragon49 was constantly improving and I am not asked if he would not fight me with all the Gr.3’s of the game 😂

It took me 2 long sessions but the 3rd was the right one to get into the area of. 44

I want to thank @crome for his ghost who played the role of the rabbit and me the greyhound.
(no reference to the movie Snatch in this sentence).

I was surprised that you reached 283 km/h before turn 1 (I never exceeded the speed of 281 km/h).

I was able to play equal in sectors 1, 3, 5.

However:

• In sector 2, your exit from turn 5 is 2 tenths of me,
• But more importantly, your time in the bus stop chicane is almost three tenths of a second.

Your entrance is really strong. Bravo !

I think I’ll leave it there because I think I’ve reached my limits for this very interesting combo.

I congratulate @Dan_Tes @A_Higher_Place @Vule @bliprunner who have not stopped pushing themselves into the last holdout.

Inconvenience for having so much fun with the Viper, I have some catching up to do with the Testarossa... and you are raring to go.

 

[skydragon49]

@NicoGmbh congratz on entering the 44's! That's a fast feat!

As I reached my limits with the Viper and was enjoying that TT so much, I felt like challenging myself to get other cars into the gold range.

It was the fun option I had left. 😅

 

[crome]

It took me 2 long sessions but the 3rd was the right one to get into the area of. 44

I want to thank @crome for his ghost who played the role of the rabbit and me the greyhound.
(no reference to the movie Snatch in this sentence).

Awesome effort, congratulations! And I'm honored to play the 🐰 for you 😄

I was surprised that you reached 283 km/h before turn 1 (I never exceeded the speed of 281 km/h).

This is the result of hugging the outside wall of the oval after a restart in order to maximise the start-up length. But to be honest this barely matters since you have to step on the brake a few meters after start / finish anyway.

I was able to play equal in sectors 1, 3, 5.

However:

• In sector 2, your exit from turn 5 is 2 tenths of me,
• But more importantly, your time in the bus stop chicane is almost three tenths of a second.

Yep, as I said, the lap didn't really start all that great, but the bus stop was pretty extraordinary. I knew right away that it wouldn't make sense to continue cause I wouldn't be able to replicate that again, especially at 1 AM

Your entrance is really strong. Bravo !

Thanks so much, so is yours! These Gr. 3 trials are more fought over than most, so placing high here is especially challenging (at least that's what I'm telling myself 😄)

 

[NicoGmbh]

@crome

Thx.

It might require some extra investment but I think you can get to .43.XXX.

Correct, I think you have some room for improvement in sector 1.

I also think that turn 6 may be better. Here, small variations can greatly reduce the time.

 

[crome]

@crome

Thx.

It might require some extra investment but I think you can get to .43.XXX.

Correct, I think you have some room for improvement in sector 1.

I also think that turn 6 may be better. Here, small variations can greatly reduce the time.

Oh wow you have more confidence in my abilities than I do😄

But anyway this chapter‘s closed. I am out of town, all I can do is watch from the sideline as I slowly get kicked down the board (so far so good though, only lost a single spot)

 

[NevilleNobody]

deleted - wrong thread

 

[zjn]

It's really hard for me to keep the mental composure to brake earlier but don't brake too much at Brands.
This track is probably the one i feel more uncomfortable.
I think i can improve a bit if all things get alligned (and they will not...)

 

[Gorefast]

So, you all know that feeling when you complete "that one lap" and everything comes together. I enjoy the Daytona TT a lot and wanted a sub-46 lap time so badly...

As the Viper seems to be the weapon of choice I gave it a second chance. After 5 laps I stopped as it is really fast but I felt not full control. Back to the Ford GT and this time with a special Daytona livery by Chap Ganassi.

This one works best for me and in the end I did one lap with new personal best in every sector!

I am very happy with this result and am properly done with this one now. It has been at rare occasions and some months ago that I was that close to these fine Gentlemen (and among the top 20 of my friend's board...)

Thanks for pushing me!

 

[Wilsonson]

Damn the Testarossa is frustrating. Or is it me? I was stuck at a low '39 ( just outside gold) for over 200 km and was ready to call it quits and settle for silver. Then out of nowhere I did this.

A testament to my inconsistency. Every corner felt like I was taking it for the very first time. I never found a rhythm with this thing. Done now. See you all on Thursday.

 

[OldandSlow]

Been doing Nations the past week but got a fancy new chair this weekend so did the Brands TT to test old vs new...


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First session on the old wobbly deckchair I managed to clock a 36.9. Then a quick pit stop...

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And the new kit delivered an incredible... 37.0, a tenth slower. Well, it's early days and I need some adjustments to the seating position... [insert more excuses here]

If anyone would like a free Playseat Challenge you are welcome to it... it's fast and the wobbling adds to the immersion... 🫨

Now you have a set-up for a navigator in the rally cars.😉

 

[Dan_Tes]

Hello folks! I’m feeling pretty rubbish on account of this flu thing I’ve got boooo but an impulse purchase has cheered me up no end… it’s small, it’s supercharged and I still don’t know if it’s British or German but I love it!

Anyways back in the virtual world, back to that frustrating Daytona Viper combo. Sometimes I get consistency, sometimes not, one thing is for sure I never get a .3 in the first sector like @Vule 😁 but I did set a consistent set of incremental PBs that have put me top of my leaderboard for now 😂 my apologies @A_Higher_Place i guess you’ll have to revisit coastal Florida a few more times 😇

That’ll be it for me pretty much here so back to that delicious Italian delicacy at BH tomorrow. That and working on my new frisky little friend (ok I bought it for the missus but shhhh she doesn’t know I’m in love with already!)

 

[NevilleNobody]

What have you done and ha e you told the wife?

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Hello folks! I’m feeling pretty rubbish on account of this flu thing I’ve got boooo but an impulse purchase has cheered me up no end… it’s small, it’s supercharged and I still don’t know if it’s British or German but I love it!

Anyways back in the virtual world, back to that frustrating Daytona Viper combo. Sometimes I get consistency, sometimes not, one thing is for sure I never get a .3 in the first sector like @Vule 😁 but I did set a consistent set of incremental PBs that have put me top of my leaderboard for now 😂 my apologies @A_Higher_Place i guess you’ll have to revisit coastal Florida a few more times 😇



That’ll be it for me pretty much here so back to that delicious Italian delicacy at BH tomorrow. That and working on my new frisky little friend (ok I bought it for the missus but shhhh she doesn’t know I’m in love with already!)

What a time - well done. I won't be revisiting this one so hats off to you. Feel better soon and enjoy your cooper 😉

 

[eggmann]

I felt like I'd never driven Brands Hatch before, but it's slowly making some sense. First day I was around 1:41.7, another hundred miles got me to 1:39.1, and many miles later I have gold. I'm currently on ABS Weak and CSA Weak.

 

[Lomic]

New stint at Daytona, with the Ford as always. Feels like I am hitting my glass ceiling there...

Until last lap I believed I could avoid any 48, but the last bus-stop was a total failure, so a small 48 managed to sneak in

No improvement anywhere.

Hope for improvement in thinning.

Spoiler

 

[NicoGmbh]

@Lomic

You can do it, gold is here.

Which assistance do you use (ABS, CTA, TCS)?

 

[Lomic]

@Lomic

You can do it, gold is here.

Which assistance do you use (ABS, CTA, TCS)?

I am in gold already and my optimal is in gold most of the times. But I'd like to improve my gold time so I can enter (back) the top 10k.

Using TCS2 (1 is a bit low, get small oversteer when putting throttle down, even while trying to be super smooth so in the end I loose more time)
ABS default I think.
And CSA on.

I don't think those assists hinder me more than 10% of the time gap I can find between a good and a bad bus-stop anyway.

 

[Gorefast]

I am in gold already and my optimal is in gold most of the times. But I'd like to improve my gold time so I can enter (back) the top 10k.

Using TCS2 (1 is a bit low, get small oversteer when putting throttle down, even while trying to be super smooth so in the end I loose more time)
ABS default I think.
And CSA on.

I don't think those assists hinder me more than 10% of the time gap I can find between a good and a bad bus-stop anyway.

Looking at your sector times it is the first one and the fourth that gives or takes 0.5 seconds in comparison to my brilliant best (and shared) lap with the Ford 🤫. Your best third and fifth sector times are even faster than mine. See you at Interlagos (and maybe Mount Panorama for the upcoming Time Trial...) !

 

[NicoGmbh]

@Lomic

Ok, I didn’t see your replay and your lap time.

ABS by default and TCS 2 are not a problem... I got my best with these assistances.

For the CTA, I think that even in strong, at our level, we are not so penalized.

I improved by "sacrificing" some speed at the entrance of the chicane.

I think it’s better to treat this entry, even keep a little brake in the first pif/ paf and the rest goes much better.

Good luck.

 

[Todt]

Cheers guys! I always go hard or go home with CSA so I tried it on strong, as @Vule says it’s not the magic pill but it does seem to allow me to get on the power more consistently and therefore I think it’s making a positive difference. Now it’s just a question of ABS default or weak; the latter seems to be what the world record lap was set using but I’m finding myself consistently slower than with it on default. Any thoughts folks

Is it possible to see if he is running with weak abs or by default just by watching the replay ?

 

[ikon_313]

... an impulse purchase has cheered me up no end… it’s small, it’s supercharged and I still don’t know if it’s British or German but I love it!
...
That and working on my new frisky little friend (ok I bought it for the missus but shhhh she doesn’t know I’m in love with already!)

Congrats on both you lap time and purchase. So, you went down the Mini R53 route?

I Bought a Cheap R53 Mini Cooper S to Fulfill My Supercharged Hot Hatch Dreams

The 2002-2006 Mini Cooper S is a great low-buck driver’s car these days. Yes, it’ll take some work to keep alive, but that’s all part of the project-car experience.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Lomic]

Ok, I didn’t see your replay and your lap time.

Did not saved any up to now, not sure there's a glaring issue that others would spot instantly and that would give me a second, so I won't bother people with a replay.

I improved by "sacrificing" some speed at the entrance of the chicane.

I think it’s better to treat this entry, even keep a little brake in the first pif/ paf and the rest goes much better.

That's what I do sometimes, but it does not give much better results than being a bit faster, at least it avoids major failures. I'd wish I could practice this part again and again without having to do the rest of the lap... and as I am typing that, I ask myself... what is used for this CE? I should give it a go 😅 because it is the same car (although settings may vary, at least I could focus on bus-stop, and maybe gold this CE if not done already).

 

[crome]

Until last lap I believed I could avoid any 48, but the last bus-stop was a total failure, so a small 48 managed to sneak in

I admire your focus on consistency. But to touch on a point @Gorefast was making the other day: consistency is obviously extremely important in actual racing, not so much in time trials. Could it be that you, consciously or subconsciously, avoid high risks and sacrifice some time in exchange for consistency? For example, I take T1 extremely close to the barrier on the left, and once in a while I will hit it. K.O. in a competitive race and it would ruin my stint, but it's a risk well worth taking if all I am after is the fastest possible lap.

 

[Lomic]

I admire your focus on consistency. But to touch on a point @Gorefast was making the other day: consistency is obviously extremely important in actual racing, not so much in time trials. Could it be that you, consciously or subconsciously, avoid high risks and sacrifice some time in exchange for consistency? For example, I take T1 extremely close to the barrier on the left, and once in a while I will hit it. K.O. in a competitive race and it would ruin my stint, but it's a risk well worth taking if all I am after is the fastest possible lap.

Consistency is not my focus, I just take it as a token of a good stint where I made few mistakes. I can guarantee you that nowhere I spare time trying to be consistent 😅 I only try not to loose time.

As for T1 I'd already hit the barrier on the right but most of the time I am a bit too fast at that point and end up widdening the turn and delay throttle (and loose 0.3s while the lap barely started). Sometimes I exit T1 with .2 or .3s in the blue (and then I faq hairpin 1 🤣), if I make a good hairpin 1, sometimes arrive on hairpin 2 with 0.4 in blue, I managed to butcher it, if still in blue I'll mess up T6, and if by miracle I arrive at bus-stop with some tenthes under my belt... well I faq bus-stop.

Of course when I loose .6s in hairpin 1, I manage to get all back almost before arriving at bus-stop... why can't I be as fast when I do a good hairpin 1...

That's why I aim consistency (in each turn, not on the lap time) : being able to not mess up half of the turns (or more) and with time, get some turns higher in the "unfaqable" state, but I have to say, only some of them are higher than 5/10 on the "unfaqable" scale :

T1 : 5/10
T3 : 4/10
T5 : 7/10
T6 : 6/10
Bus-stop : 1/10

 

[skydragon49]

@Lomic are you following a ghost or do you, let's say, drive by yourself while doing the TTs?

 

[Lomic]

Following @Pesselles 's ghost (1:46.5XX)

 

[feral and bad]

@Lomic

Ok, I didn’t see your replay and your lap time.

ABS by default and TCS 2 are not a problem... I got my best with these assistances.

For the CTA, I think that even in strong, at our level, we are not so penalized.

I improved by "sacrificing" some speed at the entrance of the chicane.

I think it’s better to treat this entry, even keep a little brake in the first pif/ paf and the rest goes much better.

Good luck.

It has been my experience that there are times when you can objectively make decisions about where you can pick up time. Sometimes these observations help, sometimes they don't. For example, you have determined that your maximum straightaway speed for the same car/track combination speed is consistently 3 km lower than your competitor. So, as driver61 says, "what do you have to give up to get what you want?". In this case it would be obvious, you need to be able to apply the throttle earlier. In order to do this, you need to rotate more, so you would need to be a either harder or longer on the brakes in the turn prior to the straight. In the current bus stop example, there are those who can trail brake within an inch of the vehicles life in order to get rotated and accelerate. For the rest of us, we must "sacrifice" where we must to get rotated and accelerate. In this case, as I could never successfully trail break through the entry, I compromised as follows: straighten the entry out by not being as high on the banking, thereby straightening the turn out somewhat, brake hard a car length before the overhead warning light before the bus top, release to settle the car and straighten out, before finally accelerating. Although my result was absolutely terrestrial (145.133), I managed to generally only lose 2-3 tenths in the bus stop sector against Tidgney. Hope this in some way helps.
Ken