Time Trial Discussion

[Gogga]

New TT: The Gran Turismo F3500-A @ Monza

Bop On, Racing Mediums

Happy hunting Folks

 

[Barareklam]

hmmmm... after the update... among other things
"
1. Physics Simulation Model
　- The behavioural model for the suspensions has been adjusted:
　　・Reduced sudden changes in behaviour when driving over bumps or uneven surfaces.

　- The tyre physics simulation model has been adjusted:
　　・The dependency on load while cornering has been adjusted;
　　・The grip loss on racing lines on wet surfaces has been reduced;
　　・The degree to which grip loss occurs from dirty tyres when driving off the track has been reduced, and the speed at which grip is restored upon returning to the track has been increased.

　- The performance of the following cars has been adjusted:
　　・Toyota Aqua S '11
　　・Toyota Prius G '09

　- The handling of certain cars has been updated:
　　・The default aerodynamic settings for Gr.1 cars and certain race cars have been adjusted;
　　・The default suspension and differential settings for certain road cars have been adjusted.

　- Performance Points (PP) for certain cars have been updated;

　- The wireless controller steering algorithm has been updated:
　　・The steering algorithm when using the analogue sticks or the directional pad has been improved, resulting in better handling.

　- Controller behaviour for steering wheels have been updated:
　　・The steering geometry calculation have improved, resulting in better force feedback feeling.
　　・The torque settings for formula cars have been adjusted.

　- The effects of the following driving assists have been updated:
　　・The Traction Control (TCS) assist intervention has been optimised;
　　・Corner braking control for ABS (anti-lock brakes) has been optimised."

Update Notice (1.55) - Update - Gran Turismo 7 - gran-turismo.com

A new update for Gran Turismo 7 has been released. The following is a list of the main features and adjustments introduced.Main Features Implemented1. Cars　- The following four cars have been added:　　・Gran Turismo F3500-A　　・Honda Civic Si Extra (EF) '87 (Sold at the 'Used Cars'...

www.gran-turismo.com

*EDIT... what I wanted to say it will influence ongoing TT in the middle of TT, we had that once before, curious to see what will be the outcome now

 

[Lomic]

*EDIT... what I wanted to say it will influence ongoing TT in the middle of TT, we had that once before, curious to see what will be the outcome now

went back to Daytona CE to do some tests on sector 3 that I spent a good chunk of time recently, did not perceived any change on controller (but that's only me, other may have a very different PoV)

 

[Gomario JSP]

hmmmm... after the update... among other things
"
1. Physics Simulation Model
　- The behavioural model for the suspensions has been adjusted:
　　・Reduced sudden changes in behaviour when driving over bumps or uneven surfaces.

　- The tyre physics simulation model has been adjusted:
　　・The dependency on load while cornering has been adjusted;
　　・The grip loss on racing lines on wet surfaces has been reduced;
　　・The degree to which grip loss occurs from dirty tyres when driving off the track has been reduced, and the speed at which grip is restored upon returning to the track has been increased.

　- The performance of the following cars has been adjusted:
　　・Toyota Aqua S '11
　　・Toyota Prius G '09

　- The handling of certain cars has been updated:
　　・The default aerodynamic settings for Gr.1 cars and certain race cars have been adjusted;
　　・The default suspension and differential settings for certain road cars have been adjusted.

　- Performance Points (PP) for certain cars have been updated;

　- The wireless controller steering algorithm has been updated:
　　・The steering algorithm when using the analogue sticks or the directional pad has been improved, resulting in better handling.

　- Controller behaviour for steering wheels have been updated:
　　・The steering geometry calculation have improved, resulting in better force feedback feeling.
　　・The torque settings for formula cars have been adjusted.

　- The effects of the following driving assists have been updated:
　　・The Traction Control (TCS) assist intervention has been optimised;
　　・Corner braking control for ABS (anti-lock brakes) has been optimised."

Update Notice (1.55) - Update - Gran Turismo 7 - gran-turismo.com

A new update for Gran Turismo 7 has been released. The following is a list of the main features and adjustments introduced.Main Features Implemented1. Cars　- The following four cars have been added:　　・Gran Turismo F3500-A　　・Honda Civic Si Extra (EF) '87 (Sold at the 'Used Cars'...

www.gran-turismo.com

*EDIT... what I wanted to say it will influence ongoing TT in the middle of TT, we had that once before, curious to see what will be the outcome now

Yes, indeed!, reading those lines feels like a big change on the physics, i am very curious how this will effect the Brands Hatch...
and i hope the overcooking the front tires on braking is a little better now :-)

 

[bliprunner]

Hopped on to do a quick physics test with the Testarossa, definitely felt a difference driving with a wheel.

Main thing seems to be braking, possibly the ABS isn't kicking in so much and it feels like you need to brake harder for longer. Was using weak before and tried normal too, both seemed to have this change.

Based on the braking it feels like getting the same laptimes as before will be tough, but the car also feels more settled, less snappy, so perhaps time lost braking can be made up elsewhere.

FFB is also a level stronger, I moved it back from 8 to 7 in game to get the same feel. Feels a bit more even, less spiky. The understeer vibrations seemed a bit different too, bit of a higher frequency?

Interested to see if other wheel users feel a difference or if it's just all in my head 😵‍💫

 

[Dan_Tes]

Actually your initial "Go to bed" message just woke me up nicely, I was not feeling it at all, but it gave me a nice motivational boost

And sorry to say that I managed to beat your amazing .090 lap, not by much, but enough

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Yeah, thanks for the nice words, and I agree, @ERAZER is untouchable when he wants it, he beat me in the Focus TT, and also here again

My lap:


I had by far my best S3 split but chickened out in the death chicane, just took it too careful and lost couple of hundreds, maybe even a tenth, who knows, but I just didn't want to ruin another good lap and I wanted to go to sleep at 4AM

It's been an amazing battle @Dan_Tes , I hope we have many more in the future

Ahaha amazing! Congratulations mate well deserved and it was a lot of fun duelling with you

Shoutout to @A_Higher_Place as well - when I first saw your time I didn’t actually think it was possible it was that good! Same with Brands Hatch

I think we all have people we see ahead of them and wonder if we can match their times/keep up with their ghosts. It’s motivations like this that make us faster and once again shows us why this community is so special

@Dan_Tes what a shame I didn't notice the short shifting more early....
And what a shame I thought downtime would be 8am ..... I had only a very short window because that turned out to be 7 AM 🤣🙈
I think I ran 5 laps in the .7xx after each other and downtime kicked in so no further progression....🙈🙈

Oh mate, sometimes it be like that. Now get on that Testarossa and show us what you can do!

Hopped on to do a quick physics test with the Testarossa, definitely felt a difference driving with a wheel.

Main thing seems to be braking, possibly the ABS isn't kicking in so much and it feels like you need to brake harder for longer. Was using weak before and tried normal too, both seemed to have this change.

Based on the braking it feels like getting the same laptimes as before will be tough, but the car also feels more settled, less snappy, so perhaps time lost braking can be made up elsewhere.

FFB is also a level stronger, I moved it back from 8 to 7 in game to get the same feel. Feels a bit more even, less spiky. The understeer vibrations seemed a bit different too, bit of a higher frequency?

Interested to see if other wheel users feel a difference or if it's just all in my head 😵‍💫

Just giving it a go now blip, I’ll come back later with my thoughts

 

[Vule]

I didn't try the Testarossa but I did try couple of other cars and noticed a few things

• Like @bliprunner said, braking feels different, just like he described
• I can very much feel the understeer feedback on my wheel finally, much much more than ever before
• Cars seem less tail happy in general
• It feels like the centering spring force on my GT DD Pro has been increased significantly
• Somehow the whole driving experience seems less "sim" and more like an arcade, but it just may be the cars that I tried, with 1.54 setups and suspension settings, we'll see in the coming days, for now, the difference is quite big

 

[newmedia_dev]

Without going too in depth yet the few laps I did in Daily QTs for the wheel the drive feels a little more polished/refined with the biggest change is that cars feel a little less floaty (Gr4/3) and more stable.

Breaking wise I haven't noticed much difference but braking is such an individual technique it may be why I am so slow is that I am not leaning or leaning too much on the ABS

There is also for the Gr3/4 cars BoP changes so that may well be a factor as well.

Will try Tessa at lunch time

 

[half_sourly]

The results for TT125 at Daytona Road Course in the Gr.3 are over here. I have updated the opening post with the index of all TTs and the second post with the community scoreboards.

Here are some interim statistics for TT126 at Brands Hatch Grand Prix Circuit in the Ferrari Testarossa '91.

Spoiler: GTP Scoreboard

 

[ZevZoq]

I'm not going to have a chance for a wheel run till this evening but I was pretty happy with the FF on the G29 prior to this update so I hope the changes haven't borked that now.

I'm pretty surprised there were no top time changes overnight at Daytona. Happy with my gold. So far this year I'm 3 gold and 2 silver. No bronze - which is sort of my little goal for the year. All gold/silver no bronze...

 

[Dan_Tes]

Ok just had a little go; I agree with just about everything @bliprunner says; most obvious in the Testarossa is braking, there’s definitely less braking force there and the car is more willing to understeer. It feels more lifelike on the whole but the Ferrari itself loses its beautiful balance through paddock. I can’t see how anyone could go as quickly as before in it but we will see. The other effects, stronger force feedback and an even worse vibration when understeering are all there. No update for reprojection settings in VR either so on the whole, the worst update they’ve ever done in my humble opinion!

What about the new trial then? Well. It’s wild. I had to turn max torque on the wheel up to 10 to get any feel whatsoever, which made it a real workout! Throttle control is key as is being VERY careful on curbs, so much for the physics update.. this thing loves to spin at high speed for very little reason. I tried a few combinations but CSA Strong, ABS weak and TC0 worked best for me. It does mean some serious throttle control coming out of prima variante and I found myself short shifting to 4th out of some corners to get traction.

It’s not without joy but just feels a bit one dimensional. Arcadey as @Vule says 🫤

 

[NAXEHT]

hmmmm... after the update... among other things
[...]

　- The wireless controller steering algorithm has been updated:
　　・The steering algorithm when using the analogue sticks or the directional pad has been improved, resulting in better handling.

Ooohhh.

 

[Lomic]

2nd stint at BH (last one was last thursday when it came out). Not tried the F3500 at Monza but I think I'll skip BH, I hated this stint.

Optimal not even close to my best lap from the 1st stint. Not sure I can blame the change in physics though.

Spoiler

 

[Barareklam]

Ooohhh.

yeah, awaiting feedback from aliens like you regarding analogue stick changes...

 

[Gomario JSP]

Ok just had a little go; I agree with just about everything @bliprunner says; most obvious in the Testarossa is braking, there’s definitely less braking force there and the car is more willing to understeer. It feels more lifelike on the whole but the Ferrari itself loses its beautiful balance through paddock. I can’t see how anyone could go as quickly as before in it but we will see. The other effects, stronger force feedback and an even worse vibration when understeering are all there. No update for reprojection settings in VR either so on the whole, the worst update they’ve ever done in my humble opinion!

What about the new trial then? Well. It’s wild. I had to turn max torque on the wheel up to 10 to get any feel whatsoever, which made it a real workout! Throttle control is key as is being VERY careful on curbs, so much for the physics update.. this thing loves to spin at high speed for very little reason. I tried a few combinations but CSA Strong, ABS weak and TC0 worked best for me. It does mean some serious throttle control coming out of prima variante and I found myself short shifting to 4th out of some corners to get traction.

It’s not without joy but just feels a bit one dimensional. Arcadey as @Vule says 🫤

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Your words aren't very promising for a pad user like me buddy 😂 😂 😂
Next TT please! 😄😄

 

[eggmann]

Well, I do not know the expression in English but in French we say "with some yes, we can put Paris in bottle"

We say, "lightning in a bottle."
Speaking of lightning, I'm barely Bronze at Monza on my second lap with 1:31.358.
I tried last week's TT for 30 miles with the new update, and I don’t think I will be back there. Similar to others' comments; it's mostly easier to drive but harder to improve lap time.

 

[KK78]

Quick run at lunch in the Testarossa and I like this one, a smooth, measured approach appears to be the way to go, did 7 laps and each improved to a current Gold time of 1:38.409 I think there may be a 1:37 in there for me so I'll have another go at the weekend, need to leave plenty of time for Monza by the sounds of it!!

 

[Evilmuffin]

New physics....ewww......

I'm sure there are people who like it. To me, it went from the Real Understeer Simulator to the Real Understeer Simulator Delux.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

It's a decent start, but hoping to chip down to the 23s over the next week. I'm not sure I have the finesse to keep this one in the top 100 - feels a bit beyond my driving ability. Also, Monza do be boring.

Great car though. The sound is unreal and I love the new colour scheme PD have given to all the variants!

 

[Famine]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Gran Turismo 7 Online Time Trial: Off the Chain​

A brand new Gran Turismo 7 Online Time Trial is now available, featuring one of the new vehicles added in today’s 1.55 game update...

 

[Chris30]

New TT: The Gran Turismo F3500-A @ Monza

Bop On, Racing Mediums

Happy hunting Folks

Yeah, I'm sure I'll have a happy time here at Monza. Some of the chicanes are not fun.

 

[Tidgney]

Huge tip for this one is that I would recommend using Traction control 2... I made the top 10 with it at the time and I'd argue while it can't get rank 1... a low 23 is possible with it on 2!

 

[Chris30]

Huge tip for this one is that I would recommend using Traction control 2... I made the top 10 with it at the time and I'd argue while it can't get rank 1... a low 23 is possible with it on 2!

Great guide as always and thanks for the tip, I subscribed to your channel a month ago. However I'm gonna keep the traction control at 3 for now so it can make the car more stable during turns and high-speed corners. Anything is possible for any player, whether they are an alien or a mortal driver. We all have different methods and techniques that are used in these time trials.

 

[snc]

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Into 23s sooner than expected. Chasing an opt 23.5 at the moment. I anticipate the top time will come down another 3 or 4 tenths as Kylian's final sector is a bit slow. If you're reading this Kylian, I'm not supposed to be able to catch you there 😉

 

[BuzzdoggZ]

Ugh what a horrible horrible combo this new TT is! This one is going to separate the men from the old men. My poor reactions need a much slower car to work with.

Early thoughts are that I might have to settle for silver this time. Good luck with it guys

 

[ZevZoq]

Ugh what a horrible horrible combo this new TT is! This one is going to separate the men from the old men. My poor reactions need a much slower car to work with.

Early thoughts are that I might have to settle for silver this time. Good luck with it guys

yeah my initial foray on the controller this morning in which I didn't make it into bronze has me concerned lol. We'll see how it goes with the wheel later today but I'm mentally preparing myself for silver...

 

[newmedia_dev]

To avoid any frustration I'm not going to attempt the new TT, I know where my fun/talent sweet spot is and flogging myself repeatedly in a formula car isn't for me.

Go forth and conquer my TT friends I shall watch from a far on this one!

 

[P-Courty]

yeah, awaiting feedback from aliens like you regarding analogue stick changes...

I'm also awaiting feedback... from you 😂 (also an alien) about how this comment changes our motion steering with high downforce cars...

"The torque settings for formula cars have been adjusted."

I guess it is about the force feedback torque setting.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I'm also awaiting feedback... from you 😂 (also an alien) about how this comment changes our motion steering with high downforce cars...

"The torque settings for formula cars have been adjusted."

I guess it is about the force feedback torque setting.

I believe it is about the FFB as it's changed on my wheel can't say it's better or worse. The way it's worded the differential changes were targeted at some road cars. But as PD is there is a lot of ways to interpret what they mean.