Time Trial Discussion

[MIE1992]

Tried setting some laps with the Testarossa at Brands Hatch yesterday, and got a somewhat decent time that’s a little over 4% off the top. The car does seem to take quite a bit to skill to control, especially upon acceleration - can’t put it down too hard as you come out of a turn.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

That took too much effort. Hoping this holds but I am in doubt.

 

[Dan_Tes]

That took too much effort. Hoping this holds but I am in doubt.
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Hope that holds, for what!? Gold, silver or bronze? 😁

Seriously though great time, that’ll be top 100 no doubt. What assists did you/did you not use? I’m gonna give it another go in a bit! I think you’ve got more in the tank, have you tried the Testarossa at BH since the physics?

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Hope that holds, for what!? Gold, silver or bronze? 😁

Seriously though great time, that’ll be top 100 no doubt. What assists did you/did you not use? I’m gonna give it another go in a bit! I think you’ve got more in the tank, have you tried the Testarossa at BH since the physics?

I sure hope it'll hold for top 100! I have MAYBE another two tenths in me. After that, I'll be pretty stuck. It just takes so long to nail a lap that I'm basically only playing the law of large numbers until it happens. I was using CSA strong, ABS weak, and TCS1.

I have not tried it yet and unfortunately probably won't have the time! Have you found the handling different after the update? Were you slower or faster?

 

[Gomario JSP]

Hope that holds, for what!? Gold, silver or bronze? 😁

Seriously though great time, that’ll be top 100 no doubt. What assists did you/did you not use? I’m gonna give it another go in a bit! I think you’ve got more in the tank, have you tried the Testarossa at BH since the physics?

I did try some laps this morning, wasn't planning to but i couln't resist....
2 major differences for me are T1 ...., rotating it with trailbraking is a no go, it rotates when lifting off the brakes, this means more early trying to get the rotation, but if you get it right, that means more early on throttle, not ideal and more dificult to nail ( for me ) but faster when you do.....

Second ..... and this is a real pain in the a*ss ............... Hawthorn bend, it used to be hitting the brakes and let the back come loose
to dance around the corner in third...., getting it sliding there is sooo much more difficult now....

So verdict....... much more difficult to nail 🤣 🤣

 

[Dan_Tes]

I sure hope it'll hold for top 100! I have MAYBE another two tenths in me. After that, I'll be pretty stuck. It just takes so long to nail a lap that I'm basically only playing the law of large numbers until it happens. I was using CSA strong, ABS weak, and TCS1.

I have not tried it yet and unfortunately probably won't have the time! Have you found the handling different after the update? Were you slower or faster?

I did try some laps this morning, wasn't planning to but i couln't resist....
2 major differences for me are T1 ...., rotating it with trailbraking is a no go, it rotates when lifting off the brakes, this means more early trying to get the rotation, but if you get it right, that means more early on throttle, not ideal and more dificult to nail ( for me ) but faster when you do.....

Second ..... and this is a real pain in the a*ss ............... Hawthorn bend, it used to be hitting the brakes and let the back come loose
to dance around the corner in third...., getting it sliding there is sooo much more difficult now....

So verdict....... much more difficult to nail 🤣 🤣

Basically what Jomar says here! As soon as I braked for Paddock and flew into the gravel I knew it wasn’t going to happen. Tell tale sign is that I don’t think I’ve lost any places since the physics update

The thing is, I actually think the changes are for the better as it feels more realistic and predictable over the range of cars we have now, excessive weight transfer/rotation under braking was a big problem and I think they’ve done a good job with it

Just why did they have to do it in the middle of the one of the best TTs they’ve done…! I completely get @Vule ’s disillusion of it all, very frustrating

As for Monza, same here but I’ll say this again.. this is one of those trials with the strange tyre grip glitch.. anyone struggling for grip just quit to menu then restart rather than just hitting retry during the trial. I’ve found even ONE retry can result in a major loss of grip that seems to stay, like you reset and it ‘forgets’ what tyres are fitted.. I still don’t know exactly how this happens but it’s definitely happening!

 

[Todt]

I haven't tried Monza but on BH which is for sure, after the update the car brakes less well for me !

 

[A_Higher_Place]

As for Monza, same here but I’ll say this again.. this is one of those trials with the strange tyre grip glitch.. anyone struggling for grip just quit to menu then restart rather than just hitting retry during the trial. I’ve found even ONE retry can result in a major loss of grip that seems to stay, like you reset and it ‘forgets’ what tyres are fitted.. I still don’t know exactly how this happens but it’s definitely happening!

Wait, what? What is this glitch? If I hit retry, then I have worse tyres for the next start? But if I exit to main screen and then start again I have the correct tyre? How has this been discovered?

And, what if I crash and just let the tyres clean and cool for half a lap? Do they revert back to what they were?

 

[RWinkelmann]

As for Monza, same here but I’ll say this again.. this is one of those trials with the strange tyre grip glitch.. anyone struggling for grip just quit to menu then restart rather than just hitting retry during the trial. I’ve found even ONE retry can result in a major loss of grip that seems to stay, like you reset and it ‘forgets’ what tyres are fitted.. I still don’t know exactly how this happens but it’s definitely happening!

Holy crap… If that's true, I've driven my lap with less than optimal grip. I keep pressing Retry all the time.

 

[Dan_Tes]

Wait, what? What is this glitch? If I hit retry, then I have worse tyres for the next start? But if I exit to main screen and then start again I have the correct tyre? How has this been discovered?

And, what if I crash and just let the tyres clean and cool for half a lap? Do they revert back to what they were?

Yeah hard to explain and I don’t understand it fully but the first trial I really noticed it (along with a few others) was the X2019 at Grand Valley. After a retry or two grip was completely lost and never recovered until I went back to the Home Screen for the trial itself and started again from there. Took me a long and frustating time to figure that out!

Basically the same at Monza. Anyone who has time just try it out with TC0 and CSA OFF. Very controllable in third gear out of Prima Variante but after a retry… not. Cooling tyres down etc doesn’t seem to work, it’s very strange.

 

[spangar]

Tried setting some laps with the Testarossa at Brands Hatch yesterday, and got a somewhat decent time that’s a little over 4% off the top. The car does seem to take quite a bit to skill to control, especially upon acceleration - can’t put it down too hard as you come out of a turn.

That’s great!

Yeah this one is a tough beast for me. I’m in bronze still. Pretty new GT player to be fair haha. I’m struggling getting that car around the corners in third gear like most of the top times seem to be doing. Just does not wanna make the corner. I don’t think I’m throwing it in as hard as I should be at the start of the turn.

 

[ZevZoq]

I sure hope it'll hold for top 100!

you and I, we have different priorities.

 

[half_sourly]

Yeah hard to explain and I don’t understand it fully but the first trial I really noticed it (along with a few others) was the X2019 at Grand Valley. After a retry or two grip was completely lost and never recovered until I went back to the Home Screen for the trial itself and started again from there. Took me a long and frustating time to figure that out!

Basically the same at Monza. Anyone who has time just try it out with TC0 and CSA OFF. Very controllable in third gear out of Prima Variante but after a retry… not. Cooling tyres down etc doesn’t seem to work, it’s very strange.

Hmm, I'm not as fast as you, but I don't experience this. I've had a few sessions with the formula car now and every time my quickest lap came after 100 miles and therefore around c.30-50 restarts, at least. I've just had a session now to try the CSA strong idea and dropped 0.2 seconds from 1:24.87 to 1:24.67 and that fastest lap was after around 105 miles, following constant restarts.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Yeah hard to explain and I don’t understand it fully but the first trial I really noticed it (along with a few others) was the X2019 at Grand Valley. After a retry or two grip was completely lost and never recovered until I went back to the Home Screen for the trial itself and started again from there. Took me a long and frustating time to figure that out!

Basically the same at Monza. Anyone who has time just try it out with TC0 and CSA OFF. Very controllable in third gear out of Prima Variante but after a retry… not. Cooling tyres down etc doesn’t seem to work, it’s very strange.

And... None of this is placebo? I don't for a second doubt your ability, but I gotta wonder critically... Seems so odd!

 

[A_Higher_Place]

you and I, we have different priorities.

But we have the same jam 😄

 

[Dan_Tes]

And... None of this is placebo? I don't for a second doubt your ability, but I gotta wonder critically... Seems so odd!

Believe me I was going mad when I first noticed it.. I just couldn’t understand why I couldn’t keep up with the ghost in the X2019 especially after usually doing really well on my first lap and then it hit me like a sledgehammer.

Same here, I didn’t think we’d have the same problem as it’s a new car and on RM instead of RS tyres but honestly it’s pretty noticeable if you just turn everything off, take the first chicane exit in 3rd gear and it pulls smoothly with a bit of throttle control.. after a retry or two it’ll spin no problem even with tiny bit of throttle

Hmm, I'm not as fast as you, but I don't experience this. I've had a few sessions with the formula car now and every time my quickest lap came after 100 miles and therefore around c.30-50 restarts, at least. I've just had a session now to try the CSA strong idea and dropped 0.2 seconds from 1:24.87 to 1:24.67 and that fastest lap was after around 105 miles, following constant restarts.

Yeah honestly I think it’s the case and if you have CSA strong or TC on it’s just masking the effect and you’re brute forcing your fastest laps using them; it takes me a good long while to get up to speed but once I do I can get consecutive clean laps under 1:24. The car is quite consistent with grip if you don’t retry

Just for reference I was the quickest player on GTP in the X2019 trial (I think… lol) and I made over half a second on my PB when I figured this all out (and people thought I was mad then 😁)

 

[A_Higher_Place]

(and people thought I was mad then 😁)

With the times you run, nobody is doubting that you're a little mad

 

[half_sourly]

and people thought I was mad then

We still do. That aside, when you say quit the menu. Do you mean go to

Spoiler: this screen (credit Jeje)

Spoiler: or this one? (credit MistahMCA

 

[Gomario JSP]

And... None of this is placebo? I don't for a second doubt your ability, but I gotta wonder critically... Seems so odd!

@Dan_Tes clearly suffers from Faustino placebo syndrome ...🤣

 

[newmedia_dev]

I've posted this in the Physics thread (don't ask, more than happy to move on from those discussions and that thread!) and also in the dailies thread I posted the same video.

My driving style is quite direct and I force a fraction bit of turning in to get a moment of understeer to get the grip back at a slightly tighter angle and better exit angle. Does any of you aliens have some DD Pro settings I could try to avoid this horrific shaft shake?

(It's bad all the way through but really harsh at .37s, it's only a min long)

This is sector 1 at Nurbs GP in Gr3 (650s)

 

[feral and bad]

@Dan_Tes clearly suffers from Faustino placebo syndrome ...🤣

Probably brought on by excessive use of that time shift device he uses (and won't share, I've asked).

Anyway
I had to resort to TCS2 with ABS Default, no other assists. Failed to make 2.0%, much less 1.5%. My experience is that this thing is just too wide to use what little road camber there is and downforce is really erratic with this light of car and the RM tires. Keeping it from turning into a top at Parabolica is a real adventure. I guess that when you get old you need every excuse there is. It should hold for a 4th straight top 1000.

 

[Dan_Tes]

With the times you run, nobody is doubting that you're a little mad

We still do. That aside, when you say quit the menu. Do you mean go to

Spoiler: this screen (credit Jeje)

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Spoiler: or this one? (credit MistahMCA

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Spoiler one amigo! With a caveat…

@Dan_Tes clearly suffers from Faustino placebo syndrome ...🤣

Hahah this is probably absolutely true, I was a little tipsy it has to be said.. I did a few basic experiments today but nothing conclusive so if there is a grip drop off with a retry for whatever reason, it’s not as apparent as it was on that X2019 trial where it was debilitating.

no improvement during that session but I did see a few S1s well below 28.3 so if I could just tie all the sectors together I could get a low 1:23.xxx

But that’ll be a miracle lap and I don’t have enough time left for miracles 🤣

 

[Vule]

We still do. That aside, when you say quit the menu. Do you mean go to

The further you go, the more grip you will have in the next attempt.

If you just go back and start again, good grip.
If you go back to the main menu of time trials, even better grip.
If you go back to GT7 home screen, amazing grip.
If you restart your PS5, the best grip!

 

[Lomic]

New stint at Monza, a bit better. I gain a lot before the Lesmos, but after that I am bleeding tenthes much too fast.

On one lap I managed to have more than 0.8s in blue before Lesmo 1, only to lose everything before Ascari...

Did one big mistake too, so one lap is nearly 6s slower than the best... not good for medium. Despite that, medium is better than first stint.

I'll try to reach silver, at least, my overall optimal is silver. Not sure I'll keep the ghost, it is more annoying than useful.

Spoiler

 

[newmedia_dev]

Where time is enabled there was a QT advantage early on in a Gr4 Trial Mountain race to let it get dark and cooler which ran much much quicker times than the initial early dusk.

So this is all a weirdly complex black box that only PD control...maybe it's faster on a Tuesday and Sundays are the slowest day who bloody knows 🤣🤷‍♂️

 

[Ian JB]

Hi,

@Dan_Tes
@A_Higher_Place
et al

Further to the mysterious grip loss issue...

I generally run a "serious" Time Trial session over the weekends. These sessions last around an hour or so. As I learn the track and the finer details of the trial. My times usually improve. I might run 10 or 15 laps at a time. If I ruin a lap I will "retry". My times still improve as I learn. When I get to the point where I am at a "gold" time. I will take a "comfort" break for a coffee or a cigarette etc.

At this point, I will exit the Time Trial. Take the break and then re-enter. The very first lap I do is usually my fasted lap! I have noticed this on several Time Trials recently and it is only now that this "issue" has really occurred to me. A case in point...

I have struggled like crazy to get a "gold" time at Monza. A good friend of mine has assisted me. We talked. We practised. I still struggled to get a decent time.... Stop. Exit the Time Trial. Comfort break. Re-enter. Fastest lap - By 6/10ths of a second.

It could be a coincidence. It could be my style - or lack, thereof. It does make me wonder though!

I cannot wait to hear the outcome of this mystery!

Best regards to all here.

Ian.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I've posted this in the Physics thread (don't ask, more than happy to move on from those discussions and that thread!) and also in the dailies thread I posted the same video.

I am getting this with the F3500 if i take too much kerb on the right hand side (entry kerb) of the blind uphill near flat right hander before the back straight.

 

[lhunatic]

Still of my best possible time of 1:24:2xx from my previous session but for PS4 and controller no TC no nothing and weak abs I am taking it.

If there is anything I can say don't give in to doubt that you hit the ceiling or that's all you can do.