Time Trial Discussion

[Gomario JSP]

All right, I'm tapping out at 1:01.322. At this point I feel like I'm not really improving, and instead reinforcing poor driving technique. The advice for T1 helped @Barareklam, but I'm not consistent enough to nail that corner every time

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And I have to say, that's an absolute bonkers lap @Gomario JSP, I think it makes you the fastest controller player on this TT 👏

Thanks Chris!, 😁🥳

 

[Metalgear9493]

After a mega 220 mile session I was getting quite frustrated, then suddenly I hit this MIRACLE sector 1 of xx.251!

Brought it home pretty well after that, I'm totally done with this combo. P1 is just too far ahead for me to be motivated to try further.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Making a little progress this morning. Turn 1 getting better but still inconsistent and I’m nowhere in the final turn. That said, scrabbled my way into silver, but have also modified my livery a little 😂

Off to study Jomar’s lap - amazing @Gomario JSP !!

 

[half_sourly]

Starting to get the hang of it.

Spoiler: Shhh...

 

[ZevZoq]

All right...I think (pray) this does it! I'll probably keep trying to improve it but man, I don't know how much better I can do. I just can't believe this is just a mediocre silver time! I consider this my crowning TT achievement so far! lol...and also by far the most physical TT event yet for me. I feel like I've been wake-boarding or something all afternoon. But, at minimum I wanted to keep the "no bronze" streak alive.

 

[snc]

 

[Spec-ECU]

This seems like a nice set of numbers to stop at, but this is a surprisingly pleasant TT, this may be the first time I'll keep running it during it's two-week duration. 😊

 

[Barareklam]

Starting to get the hang of it.

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Spoiler: Shhh...

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Haha... I was never worried that you won't catch me, after all, you are one of the few with all gold medals so far.
You can share your lap if/when it's convenient, would be cool to see 🙂

 

[ScottPuss20]

I found some more time on Saturday night but I'm still a considerable distance from the target. Is gold even possible for me? I'd say yes but I'll have to find a breakthrough soon if I'm going to do it.

 

[half_sourly]

You can share your lap if/when it's convenient, would be cool to see 🙂

I didn't save it, unfortunately. It was around .65 S1 and .75 S2. Two main points of improvement:

• Paying attention in T1 to stick close to the wall on the left - as soon as you drift over the hump and to the billboards, it is a slow time.
• After than turn, not going to the far left for the next right, but sticking to the middle.

Those two things meant I now regularly see .6 sectors, sometimes .5, and even a rare .4. Previously .6 were rarities and I never saw anything lower.

Second sector remains a pain. Too often I can't get the car over to the left ahead of the esses, and if I do, most of the time I don't get the right turn right (sliding wide into the wall, or too early and drive into the apex wall), and if I do get it right, the last turn I often run into the wall, or if I don't, I slide too much and lose momentum.

There is a tease of improvement, so I'll keep going. Good fun*.

* Not as much fun as Daytona Tri-Oval obviously, but a decent substitute.

 

[Barareklam]

So ninjas... Last turn... what is the best approach there? A detailed inctructions like I am 3 years old please

 

[Hasnain282]

So ninjas... Last turn... what is the best approach there? A detailed inctructions like I am 3 years old please

Chuck it in and hope it sticks

 

[half_sourly]

So ninjas... Last turn... what is the best approach there? A detailed inctructions like I am 3 years old please

I don't think there is a right approach (although super fast people like @Metalgear9493 might know better). For example, in these three guides (hyperlinks are to relevant time stamps in videos):

• FranceK88 lifts and even taps the brakes, turns at the second last yellow board, makes a point of staying above the blue line and counter-steers to the limit three times.
• @Mistah_MCA turns in (and here for bumper-cam) around the third yellow board from the end, never lifts and never counter-steers.
• Tidgney lifts and also turns around the third yellow from the end and counter-steers a bit mid-corner.

I rarely get it right, so wouldn't profess how to do it right, but aim for something similar to Mistah - early harsh turn, then try to minimise input.

 

[Metalgear9493]

So ninjas... Last turn... what is the best approach there? A detailed inctructions like I am 3 years old please

Here's what I do at the final corner, turn in full throttle staying in 4th gear, and pray.

Thats why my session lasted 220 miles. I could never get any kind of consistency, so every corner basically turned into pot luck. I had to just trust the process that eventually I would hit a lap that somewhat represented my potential.

Thankfully I got it with the help of a freakish sector 1. Good luck to those that are continuing to grind this one!

 

[Wilsonson]

Do any of you fast people have a reliable turn in market for T1?

I break at the kink in the dashed blue line at the left and then turn in and trail off or even release the breaks some moments later but it's completely by feel and I almost never get it right.

I either go into the wall at the apex or miss the apex and drift wide and ruin the lap.

 

[Hasnain282]

Do any of you fast people have a reliable turn in market for T1?

I break at the kink in the dashed blue line at the left and then turn in and trail off or even release the breaks some moments later but it's completely by feel and I almost never get it right.

I either go into the wall at the apex or miss the apex and drift wide and ruin the lap.

I don't have a turn in point per se but I did find that aiming for the first black floodlight on the corner helped

 

[half_sourly]

Do any of you fast people have a reliable turn in market for T1?

I break at the kink in the dashed blue line at the left and then turn in and trail off or even release the breaks some moments later but it's completely by feel and I almost never get it right.

I either go into the wall at the apex or miss the apex and drift wide and ruin the lap.

I start turning as soon as I brake, but turn gradually. It is not easy. I have to restart a lot because I over-turn into the inside wall, or brake a bit too little and slide beyond the hump on the apex and into the outside wall.

 

[Wilsonson]

I start turning as soon as I brake, but turn gradually. It is not easy. I have to restart a lot because I over-turn into the inside wall, or brake a bit too little and slide beyond the hump on the apex and into the outside wall.

Kind of reassuring but also a little disheartening to hear that a semi alien like you had the same problem. 😂

 

[Gomario JSP]

So ninjas... Last turn... what is the best approach there? A detailed inctructions like I am 3 years old please

For me it's still a mistery, i ran low 2's by braking and yeeting it, .... ran low 2's by only lifting .... and ran a 1.98 this morning while i was in the middel instead of on the right, it's pure inconsistency there.. but had a real good exit on my PB lap..
still time to find thou cause my lap start was quite crappy if i load my own ghost, plus the code brown esses didn't help either... 😂 😂 .... so the verdict.,

I'm with the above.... Yeeet and pray 😂

 

[imChris]

So ninjas... Last turn... what is the best approach there? A detailed inctructions like I am 3 years old please

I'm not too sure about my ninja skills but I'll try to explain my approach to it:

Basically, on corner entry you want to have a decent amount of angle, but as soon as you hit/pass the bollards, you want to straighten out the car as much as possible. After you've done this, you want to induce slight understeer with the front tires. It's hard to explain, but once you hit the sweet spot of car angle/understeer, you'll just feel it as you gain a lot of momentum.

I've tried visualising it below:

 

[zjn]

This winter TT is going to deliver to be a torture.
I think my lap is better than my average result in the S, but drows my down in the first and last turn.

I really don't understand how to make the car grip. I was guessing it is a steer+pedal combo until I seen your replay, where you flood it down. Therefore I assum it's a steer stuff, but really haven't yet figure it out.

By now it's an (un)decent bronze

 

[Barareklam]

I'm not too sure about my ninja skills but I'll try to explain my approach to it:

Basically, on corner entry you want to have a decent amount of angle, but as soon as you hit/pass the bollards, you want to straighten out the car as much as possible. After you've done this, you want to induce slight understeer with the front tires. It's hard to explain, but once you hit the sweet spot of car angle/understeer, you'll just feel it as you gain a lot of momentum.

I've tried visualising it below:

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THanks for great explanation. I think I am doing that, or at least trying to do that, but we all know show is slippery so many times it goes wrong this or that way. I guess I will put my hopes in one lucky lap just as Metalgear said.

 

[Spec-ECU]

Is gold even possible for me?

Without a doubt. 😊

So ninjas... Last turn... what is the best approach there? A detailed inctructions like I am 3 years old please

Chuck it in and hope it sticks

I don't think there is a right approach...I rarely get it right...

Here's what I do at the final corner, turn in full throttle staying in 4th gear, and pray....I could never get any kind of consistency, so every corner basically turned into pot luck

For me it's still a mistery

I'm with the above.... Yeeet and pray 😂

I'm so stoked that y'all are just as clueless for the last corner as I've been! 🤣

But it does read like we all instinctively do the same thing: no-lift chuck-it-in in 4th gear, but with only enough angle for the car to slide to the right side of the bollards and keep the drive speed up. IIRC the fastest replay is able to hold 80mph+ for the drive out, but I've only been able to hold 75mph at most.

When I was watching my PB last night in chase cam, I looked at where my front bumper was pointed at before my apexes. I wonder if using markers to point the car at pre-apex might matter here, so will have to find out later.

 

[half_sourly]

IIRC the fastest replay is able to hold 80mph+ for the drive out, but I've only been able to hold 75mph at most.

That is a quirk of sliding on dirt and snow - evident in the other snow ones and in the recent rally cross one. Your actual speed when not going straight forward is often different from your indicated speed.

If you want evidence, do a session and screen capture just after the fastest lap (so that you can see the displayed speeds) - or just remember them. Then save that fastest lap in the normal 'save fastest lap' way. When you watch that in Showcase, you will see the speeds when you are sliding about are higher than what you will have seen in real time.

EDIT: In fact, @Mistah_MCA has already done it for us. From his live stream - see slowest speed is 65mph. Then on his bumper version of the lap guide, which is from replay mode, it is 78mph.

 

[Spec-ECU]

That is a quirk of sliding on dirt and snow - evident in the other snow ones and in the recent rally cross one. Your actual speed when not going straight forward is often different from your indicated speed.

If you want evidence, do a session and screen capture just after the fastest lap (so that you can see the displayed speeds) - or just remember them. Then save that fastest lap in the normal 'save fastest lap' way. When you watch that in Showcase, you will see the speeds when you are sliding about are higher than what you will have seen in real time.

So we don't know what we're doing exacltly, and we can't trust the information we see? Why, this is just a TT of FEELINGS! 😆

 

[Gomario JSP]

So we don't know what we're doing exacltly, and we can't trust the information we see? Why, this is just a TT of FEELINGS! 😆

Just Yeeeett..... and you'll be ok 😂

 

[Homestead]

Whittled my way down to gold. I did have a 1.899 red lap so I know more time in it. No luck with the wheel so using controller for this one.

 

[Gorefast]

Hej folks,
the current time trials aren't my cup of tea and that's why I was thinking about an addition. The result can be found in my signature and I would be very happy if some of the nice people here would have a look at my time trial experiment.
See you on track!

 

[Barareklam]

Let's call it a... Promising... Session...
I am kinda good at first sector, isn't it so @Metalgear9493 but I still can't take deep line at last turn, always brush the snow barrier somehow.

 

[Wilsonson]

Holy red colored lap times batman