TOCA Series Season 2 - End Of Season Discussion

[DK]

Congrats Boyce, you've won twice as many races in one event than I have in the whole season!

 

[Furinkazen]

Congrats Boyce, you've won twice as many races in one event than I have in the whole season!

Congrats there. driftking, in Race 1 I tagged your rear after you understeered in the last turn. Race 3 was... a deliberate move I take it? Not complaining, suppose I got a bit of karma back at me, but I will use this as a chance to RE-ITERATE!

THIS IS TOURING CARS - THERE'S PANEL BASHING, CONTACT AND A FEW INCIDENTS. BUT DRIVING THE WRONG WAY IS UNACCEPTABLE AND WILL RESULT IN A PERMANENT BAN FROM THE SERIES.

Also, bet BTCC at Oulton tomorrow makes us look like angels, yet again.

Other than that, My 2nd ever win, and overall we have 8 winners in 9 races. Good work guys!

 

[hightyme]

Congrats again Boyce, good racing guys.

 

[Furinkazen]

 

[The_Boyce]

Really enjoyed it tonight for obvious reasons! Some good scraps for positions and a few mistakes but we are only human. Shame some idiot decided to go the wrong way round the track just because things were'nt going he's way. Lets hope for some more close stuff in 2 weeks. Furi... You must really like the bumper cars at the fair! Vtec... Driftking.... We are gonna have fun in the next one.

 

[Sassafrass_3]

This series is an absolute embarrassment to GTPlanet. In the rules it says that contact is acceptable but you all just wreck each other. It's mind blowing. I've tried to be cautious yet aggressive and i just get punted off the track every time.

Furi, you make excuses for everything that happens on the track whether your involved or not. You choose the oddest time to pass and your a reckless driver but act like your not. You always have some poor excuse as to why things went down the way they did. You can say there can be contact then expect people to keep their cool. It's been proven that most of the drivers in this series are not capable of that.

Johnson drove backward out of pure frustration. I'm going to assume some one gave him another cheap shot and he had enough. I've practiced and raced with him before and I've always thought he was a generous and clean driver. Was driving backwards the answer? No, of course not.

RP, the move you made on me down the front straight was one of the cheapest move some one has ever put on me. The track narrows right there. I mean you've got to be kidding me. Me and you were battling for last place. Obviously because we both had been shoved, kicked, pushed and wrecked. But dude, I was drafting you, I pulled out to make a clean and legitimate pass and you pinched me into the wall at full speed. I even tried to push against you to stop it from happening but you just kept pushing. You feel good about that? We could have had a nice battle for last place. Your an amateur.

DK. You are quite possibly the cheapest, dirtiest, most selfish little pig of a driver I've ever come across. And I don't think I've had any run-ins with you. I've watched you slam rear bumpers so hard that the person on the receiving end goes flying into the wall and you drive off with little damage and another spot picked up. I've seen you blatantly wreck people that you thought had done you wrong. And the constant blocking is unbelievable.

I'm obviously withdrawing from this series.

 

[Akmuq]

I'm obviously withdrawing from this series.

Miss you to.

 

[hightyme]

Come on guys,... This was for sure the roughest event yet, though this should be the worst of it.

 

[DK]

DK. You are quite possibly the cheapest, dirtiest, most selfish little pig of a driver I've ever come across. And I don't think I've had any run-ins with you. I've watched you slam rear bumpers so hard that the person on the receiving end goes flying into the wall and you drive off with little damage and another spot picked up. I've seen you blatantly wreck people that you thought had done you wrong. And the constant blocking is unbelievable.

I'm obviously withdrawing from this series.

That's most likely me lagging. Ireland has really crappy broadband. I do not go for "vigilante moves," if that's what you're accusing me of. I only block because I happen to be on the racing line, the same line which the driver behind me wishes to take. This is touring cars, 🤬 happens. I brake as late as is safely possible to maintain a good line through the next corner, and if that tags people on the way in who have braked earlier than me, I wholeheartedly apologise. If I see a gap, yes, I will try to exploit it, because these aren't delicate F1 cars.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

No race next saturday??? wot a bummer will probably miss Monaco aswell

Wow glad i missed the last race its all kicking off again?????

 

[RacerPaul]

RP, the move you made on me down the front straight was one of the cheapest move some one has ever put on me. The track narrows right there. I mean you've got to be kidding me. Me and you were battling for last place. Obviously because we both had been shoved, kicked, pushed and wrecked. But dude, I was drafting you, I pulled out to make a clean and legitimate pass and you pinched me into the wall at full speed. I even tried to push against you to stop it from happening but you just kept pushing. You feel good about that? We could have had a nice battle for last place. Your an amateur

As I said in the in-game chat last night, I had track position and all you had to do to avoid wrecking yourself is back out and overtake me later

I'm not going to just give you my spot because you want it. Work for it, show some sense and don't put yourself in silly positions on-track

I didn't push you anyway, I just held my line. The track narrows to the barrier there, your wrecking yourself was inevitable if you weren't going to back out

I've been bashed out of good positions all series, and would easily be on the overall podium by now if I hadn't been punted here there and everywhere
Now I toughen up and it becomes a problem?

Sorry you feel the need to leave. Thats your choice, and I wish you well in what you choose to do race-wise in future 👍

 

[Furinkazen]

This series is an absolute embarrassment to GTPlanet. In the rules it says that contact is acceptable but you all just wreck each other. It's mind blowing. I've tried to be cautious yet aggressive and i just get punted off the track every time.

Furi, you make excuses for everything that happens on the track whether your involved or not. You choose the oddest time to pass and your a reckless driver but act like your not. You always have some poor excuse as to why things went down the way they did. You can say there can be contact then expect people to keep their cool. It's been proven that most of the drivers in this series are not capable of that.

Johnson drove backward out of pure frustration. I'm going to assume some one gave him another cheap shot and he had enough. I've practiced and raced with him before and I've always thought he was a generous and clean driver. Was driving backwards the answer? No, of course not.

RP, the move you made on me down the front straight was one of the cheapest move some one has ever put on me. The track narrows right there. I mean you've got to be kidding me. Me and you were battling for last place. Obviously because we both had been shoved, kicked, pushed and wrecked. But dude, I was drafting you, I pulled out to make a clean and legitimate pass and you pinched me into the wall at full speed. I even tried to push against you to stop it from happening but you just kept pushing. You feel good about that? We could have had a nice battle for last place. Your an amateur.

DK. You are quite possibly the cheapest, dirtiest, most selfish little pig of a driver I've ever come across. And I don't think I've had any run-ins with you. I've watched you slam rear bumpers so hard that the person on the receiving end goes flying into the wall and you drive off with little damage and another spot picked up. I've seen you blatantly wreck people that you thought had done you wrong. And the constant blocking is unbelievable.

I'm obviously withdrawing from this series.

It's a shame to hear of that sassafrass. I'm going respond by saying that yesterday was indeed my worst races. I was a ping=pong ball. Indeed I think Madrid, in at least it's current form, will not be seen on the calendar again.

RacerPaul was to be honest maybe a little tight. However, Just our luck that PD has to put a tyre barrier that sticks out a million miles.

driftking... has always been a little laggy, and he's a tough driver... I think I've known about that since Season 1.

That's most likely me lagging. Ireland has really crappy broadband. I do not go for "vigilante moves," if that's what you're accusing me of. I only block because I happen to be on the racing line, the same line which the driver behind me wishes to take. This is touring cars, 🤬 happens. I brake as late as is safely possible to maintain a good line through the next corner, and if that tags people on the way in who have braked earlier than me, I wholeheartedly apologise. If I see a gap, yes, I will try to exploit it, because these aren't delicate F1 cars.

That happens, and in fact thats sounds similar to me.

But Madrid is so damned narrow, that it's going to emphasise mistakes. Every corner there are 3 lines at least in, but only 1 or 2 out, so it will result in accidents. Sassafrass, if you wish to come back there is no worries.

Here's a Proposal I have... as people do not like Street Tracks, drop Monaco (the next race). Also I may put everyone (including myself) on a Final Warning, because I will agree that yesterday was a little silly.

 

[DK]

Agreed, Monaco should be dropped.

 

[Furinkazen]

Monaco looks likely to be dropped. Also, due to people not being present I still have entries open...

 

[The_Boyce]

Johnson drove backward out of pure frustration. I'm going to assume some one gave him another cheap shot and he had enough. I've practiced and raced with him before and I've always thought he was a generous and clean driver. Was driving backwards the answer? No, of course not.


You have to be joking right? That arsehole right from the start of race 1 drove like a nutter, then on the last lap just because i overtook him "clean" he could'nt handle the fact of coming second so decided to ram me like a !£&@ing missile causing me to come 2nd. Agreed that maybe Monaco should be removed along with all other street courses cos obviously people dont know how to drive fairly and brake in time for bends without using other cars as cushions. How about having damage on full? Maybe this will make people think twice before trying to do stupid moves on each other.

 

[Furinkazen]

Johnson drove backward out of pure frustration. I'm going to assume some one gave him another cheap shot and he had enough. I've practiced and raced with him before and I've always thought he was a generous and clean driver. Was driving backwards the answer? No, of course not.


You have to be joking right? That arsehole right from the start of race 1 drove like a nutter, then on the last lap just because i overtook him "clean" he could'nt handle the fact of coming second so decided to ram me like a !£&@ing missile causing me to come 2nd. Agreed that maybe Monaco should be removed along with all other street courses cos obviously people dont know how to drive fairly and brake in time for bends without using other cars as cushions. How about having damage on full? Maybe this will make people think twice before trying to do stupid moves on each other.

A Johnson... should have seen him in race 1. Every time I was following you and driftking he tailed me slipstreamed me and bumped on the straights. Kinda intimidating I must admit. And yes he did just torpedo you at the hairpin. I thought "That was kinda rude"...

 

[Akmuq]

Yup abandon Monaco but get a good test session at the place for next year because the cars are slightly slower I understand. And get really strict on rules. Cause a collision and get a 20 second penalty if the place isn't given back . It may sound bad and be frustrating but it will clean up the racing eventually. Also, if you want street circuits that's fine, it's just Madrid Mini and Monaco are to dangerous with this performance at least.
Turn 1 at full Madrid is only two wide if you're lucky because you have to go round the outside and there should be a clear man in front by the hairpin, abe the next series of turns needs patience and is like threading the eye through a needle, if you make the most of one individual corner you probably won't apex the next one so there would be a concertina affect on lap 1 there but when it's 1 vs 1 later in the race it's possible to stick to the next person.

Rome reverse is what I would pick because there is only one place to narrow for side by side and that's off a fast turn so it won't happen anyways and there is a clear spot for overtaking at the hairpin at the end of the backstraight where it gets really wide and the two left turns at the end of the front straight.

So scrap Monaco, give it a test with the new slightly slower cars some time but if it's still bad then Madrid Full and Rome Reverse would be very good alternatives.

 

[hightyme]

Booo, Monaco should stay... Great track, yes it's tight & yes, it's a another street course but it's has more length & size than Madrid, I'm sure gaps will form & gentlemen driving will follow.

 

[VRracingfan]

Just to join in on this Johnson has tail bumped me in practice at monza and i'm pretty sure he tries to push me into the concrete bollards at Monza.

 

[Akmuq]

Remember guys the first race was mostly fun. Obviously though it didn't end well, Boyce and I both having races ruined but the battling for position was fun, it could be somewhat similar to Daytona because it's very hard to escape someone because of the draft. Fastest lap of the evening could have gone to literally anyone. I think we were all doing 54s at some point during races because the cars are really close and the draft equalized quite a lot last night. I remember at the end of race 1 I was angry because someone hit me but I had a really good time. Race 2 I was hit off from second (4WD Mazda got traction and jumped me off the line) and that just really pissed me off. Because immediately I lost a chance of winning. I drove about for a bit having everybody hit into me and then I eventually quit because I was supposed to stop soon anyways and was having no fun so what was the point?

 

[VRracingfan]

Remember guys the first race was mostly fun. Obviously though it didn't end well, Boyce and I both having races ruined but the battling for position was fun, it could be somewhat similar to Daytona because it's very hard to escape someone because of the draft. Fastest lap of the evening could have gone to literally anyone. I think we were all doing 54s at some point during races because the cars are really close and the draft equalized quite a lot last night. I remember at the end of race 1 I was angry because someone hit me but I had a really good time. Race 2 I was hit off from second (4WD Mazda got traction and jumped me off the line) and that just really pissed me off. Because immediately I lost a chance of winning. I drove about for a bit having everybody hit into me and then I eventually quit because I was supposed to stop soon anyways and was having no fun so what was the point?

If you quit you lower the amount of money other people recieve at the end of the race.

 

[Furinkazen]

Yup abandon Monaco but get a good test session at the place for next year because the cars are slightly slower I understand. And get really strict on rules. Cause a collision and get a 20 second penalty if the place isn't given back . It may sound bad and be frustrating but it will clean up the racing eventually. Also, if you want street circuits that's fine, it's just Madrid Mini and Monaco are to dangerous with this performance at least.
Turn 1 at full Madrid is only two wide if you're lucky because you have to go round the outside and there should be a clear man in front by the hairpin, abe the next series of turns needs patience and is like threading the eye through a needle, if you make the most of one individual corner you probably won't apex the next one so there would be a concertina affect on lap 1 there but when it's 1 vs 1 later in the race it's possible to stick to the next person.

Rome reverse is what I would pick because there is only one place to narrow for side by side and that's off a fast turn so it won't happen anyways and there is a clear spot for overtaking at the hairpin at the end of the backstraight where it gets really wide and the two left turns at the end of the front straight.

So scrap Monaco, give it a test with the new slightly slower cars some time but if it's still bad then Madrid Full and Rome Reverse would be very good alternatives.

The default Rome layout ironically nearly made it to the schedule. Two weeks ago my PS3 crashed everytime I loaded Madrid Mini up online and I was prepared to pare it for Rome.

Booo, Monaco should stay... Great track, yes it's tight & yes, it's a another street course but it's has more length & size than Madrid, I'm sure gaps will form & gentlemen driving will follow.

Both of you have a point about Monaco. I'll look into it.

Just to join in on this Johnson has tail bumped me in practice at monza and i'm pretty sure he tries to push me into the concrete bollards at Monza.

Johnson was not at Monza. Maybe you mean johnboy or GTP Johny?

Remember guys the first race was mostly fun. Obviously though it didn't end well, Boyce and I both having races ruined but the battling for position was fun, it could be somewhat similar to Daytona because it's very hard to escape someone because of the draft. Fastest lap of the evening could have gone to literally anyone. I think we were all doing 54s at some point during races because the cars are really close and the draft equalized quite a lot last night. I remember at the end of race 1 I was angry because someone hit me but I had a really good time. Race 2 I was hit off from second (4WD Mazda got traction and jumped me off the line) and that just really pissed me off. Because immediately I lost a chance of winning. I drove about for a bit having everybody hit into me and then I eventually quit because I was supposed to stop soon anyways and was having no fun so what was the point?

I see your point. After you left I actually gave up basically and was lapped.

Also RE NGTC - check the TOCA Drivers Association for more updates - I'm close to finalising the eligible cars and their spec. Also a move for Season 3 that may help is putting drivers in teams (considering this with NGTC). This requires a better degree of co-operation, even if this could still happen...



(Todays BTCC Race 2 finish...)

 

[VRracingfan]

One of them Furinkazen. Sorry for blaming you Jonhson.

 

[Furinkazen]

One of them Furinkazen. Sorry for blaming you Jonhson.

Race 3 I believe at the first chicane? That was in a 4 car fight I believe...

 

[Akmuq]

I can tell you now that GTP_Johny is a very good driver but he does cause crashes sometimes. He definatley didn't do it in purpose.

 

[Furinkazen]

I can tell you now that GTP_Johny is a very good driver but he does cause crashes sometimes. He definatley didn't do it in purpose.

Well at Monza he went on an expletive-laden rant after being punted off. He's on a warning. But on a positive note, the fact we are racing so close and their is so much incident shows how well the cars are equalised.

 

[Akmuq]

Yeah not to offend him but he does have a short temper. Same could be said about me though.

 

[Furinkazen]

Yeah not to offend him but he does have a short temper. Same could be said about me though.

We all make mistakes. We're only human. Like I said, if we are close enough to be taking each other out every 2 minutes at least we are running close.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

We all make mistakes. We're only human. Like I said, if we are close enough to be taking each other out every 2 minutes at least we are running close.

I second that we are in danger of taking the fun out of the series and that would be a shame.

 

[RacerPaul]

RacerPaul was to be honest maybe a little tight. However, Just our luck that PD has to put a tyre barrier that sticks out a million miles

I still say you should both have backed off. The bold bit says it all. You know its there, yet you continue on a course that going to end in a
big bang for you?